Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: milo on August 06, 2011, 11:38:43 PM
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Just heard this on the news:
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/261957--two-feared-drowned-in-whistler-s-cheakamus-river
Be careful out there.
Wear your PFDs.
My heart goes out to the families of the deceased.
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oh my god...I will release the first fish I catch on the river for the men who lost their lives.
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Not sure about the Rivers in Canada, but the rivers south of the border i.e. Nooksack, skagit, snohomish, etc. have been running exceptionally high this year due to the heavy snow pack over the winter. Another unfortunate reminder to respect natures powerful forces.
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omg...terrible news....
feel so bad and kinda scared to fish in big river now.
I will always keep in mind fishing could be deadly, always be carefully, prepared.
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That is tragic. Always wear your lifejacket on moving water. It is hard to imagine how helpless you instantly can be if you go in without one. With one on, unless there are sweepers, you really don't have much to worry about!
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Not sure about the Rivers in Canada, but the rivers south of the border i.e. Nooksack, skagit, snohomish, etc. have been running exceptionally high this year due to the heavy snow pack over the winter. Another unfortunate reminder to respect natures powerful forces.
In most areas the water is still pretty huge though its finally coming down now
Our larger river systems have lots of debris coming down as well since the water moved up so high this year it pulled more debris than normal off the shores in northern regions.
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The two swept away were with a fishing guide too - what was the guide thinking? No fish is worth giving your life up for.
Dreadful news.
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The two swept away were with a fishing guide too - what was the guide thinking?
This terrible tragedy had nothing to do with being guided-guides don't hold people's hands as they fish-the Cheakamus above the lake is one swift moving place even in low water must be a torrent now.
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No they dont but they instill confidence and are supposed to be professional - a professional would not place people at risk.
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Terrible tragedy.
Wear your PFD's, and also, if you do not have any swift water training and/or wearing a PFD, I would highly recommend not jumping in after the fallen victim, 99% of the time you've just doubled the problem.
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first person to fall in was probably his wife... i think most men would attempt a rescue if their wife went tumbling in the water no matter how dangerous
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Tragic ...it can happen so fast.
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Guess we don't know the whole story yet but I would hope a paid guide would have provided or required appropriate safety gear like PFDs around swiftwater.
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ok i think i win the prize for the cat with nine lives. i fell in again last week without my lifejacket. my 80 year buddy and i were returning back from checking his crab traps in WA. roche harbor. no waves, no wind, no wakes, no problem. just a quick trip out and back in 30 minutes. unfortunately he was backing into his spot at the dock and with the inc oming tide it was a changing situation. i told him he was about to0 hit the dock and he looked back . i was then pushing the bow away and he thrust the motor into forward and gunned it. i was out of the boat in a blink of an eye clutching the dock but half of me in the ocean. i was suprised how heavy my shoes and pants were. i could not pull myself out . two people on the dock helped me get out. there was a dock ladder just 10 feet from me but it might has well been 100 feet. i had tunnel vision under that stressfull situation.
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Sad story, I think people should consider wearing an inflatable PFD I use a mustang fishing vest with co2 cartridge you can also get a small vest by mustang that inflates, I think its worth the money if your wading any time. I spend a fair amount of time out in the ocean for work and if we are doing any work on the upper decks we always wear Hazardous duty life jackets, we also have survival floater jackets
http://www.mustangsurvival.com/recreational/fishing (http://www.mustangsurvival.com/recreational/fishing)
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This is a terrible tragedy. My heart goes out to the family.
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Very sad story - a nice day on the water turned into a tragedy. My condolences to the family.
Fishing is one of the most dangerous sports there is and is responsible for many lost lives - it's hard to keep that in mind sometimes.
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very sad!
wearing a life-jacket during guided tours should be now a mandatory requirement.
it might be not the case in this incident but still this sad story is indicating to low professionalism in the part of the guide service.
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it might be not the case in this incident but still this sad story is indicating to low professionalism in the part of the guide service.
Why do you say that?
Do you know something we don't? >:(
FYI, Whistler Fly Fishing is a very well-respected guiding businesses in our region, especially among the fly fishing crowd.
You can't make someone wear a PFD if they don't want to. That's what disclaimers are for.
I do agree, however, that guiding businesses might make it mandatory for clients to use PFDs at all times on guided trips.
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Sad story. This story gives you time to think about the cost/convenience of NOT buying a PFD. Be safe.
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Having checked out the Cheakamus a couple of times recently to be honest I don't that think if you went in the upper the PFD would be much help anyway. Hard to blame the guide if you don't know the full story.
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Terrible tragedy and my condolences to the families that lost loved ones. This is one of those accidents that points out how careful you have to be while fishing. One person loses their balance, the other person jumps in instinctively to save them, and both are washed downstream to their deaths. Just like that, within minutes, an enjoyable outing turns tragic. I can only imagine the second guessing and guilt that the guide must be feeling. Hopefully once things have settled down, a full account of what happened will be released.
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A sad story indeed.
I guess we can never be too careful when wading in any river here in BC.
Water can be cold and swift, even in summer.
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Why do you say that?
Do you know something we don't? >:(
FYI, Whistler Fly Fishing is a very well-respected guiding businesses in our region, especially among the fly fishing crowd.
You can't make someone wear a PFD if they don't want to. That's what disclaimers are for.
I do agree, however, that guiding businesses might make it mandatory for clients to use PFDs at all times on guided trips.
I don't know that guiding service personally nor I have any interest in that. all that I can say from the view point of a consumer is that I can not be sure about the quality of service here.
wearing PFD and making it mandatory in guided tours is a very good idea and a case for the authorities to think about.
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azafai, you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Why should authorities be telling anyone to wear a PFD when they are wading?
Should we now have DFO requesting everyone to get out of the Fraser if they don't have a PFD while flossing sockeye?
I don't think so.
Remember, there was no boat/raft involved in the Cheakamus drowning.
It was most likely a tragic wading accident, but this (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Rafter+drowns+after+falling+into+river+near+Grand+Forks/5223220/story.html?cid=megadrop_story) is plain stupidity, one that no authority can prevent, no matter how harsh the regs.
I feel for the guy's family, but I am not sure I feel sorry for him.
C'mon, if you know you can't swim, do you go rafting without a PFD and get drunk? Maybe at age 17, but certainly not at 54.
He should have known better. One shouldn't tempt Darwin.
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This is such a terrible accident... I do agree that it's on the anglers to take charge of their own safety, if not for wearing a PDF then to trust your instincts and always be extra cautious on the river. These accidents take a split second to happen and can happen so easily. This really hits home for me as I took a plunge in the lower Cheakamus a few years ago.
I was fishing on the downstream end of a midstream bar when the gravel suddenly gave out from under me and I fell into the river. My instinct was to turn around and try swimming back upstream to regain my footing, which of course I could not. My brother was fishing a short distance away and, seeing the panic in my face, rushed to save me. But he slipped in as well. His instinct was the same as mine in trying to turn and swim upstream but I grabbed him and yelled that we should swim across the river together. The next minute was a blur as our waders filled and we struggled to keep our heads above water, grasping for air. All I could remember were the fisherman hopelessly casting to us from shore. We managed to float across the river, grabbed onto a boulder and finally crawled out of the water after many slips and falls...
My brother and I often reminisce about this event. We talk about how we both tried to keep the other afloat because neither of us wanted to be the surviving son to go home and face mom. It was a stupid and avoidable position that I put myself in and I put my brothers life in jeopardy as well, as he would no doubt risk his life again to save mine. If there's one positive that I could take away from that day, it's that I'm always extra careful while fishing now...
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I don't know that guiding service personally nor I have any interest in that. all that I can say from the view point of a consumer is that I can not be sure about the quality of service here.
wearing PFD and making it mandatory in guided tours is a very good idea and a case for the authorities to think about.
I know the alleged guiding service, the guides, and shop intimately. I consider them to not only be good friends and fishing buddies, but of the utmost professionalism. To say that they are of "low professionalism" is utterly ridiculous. Please, research the guiding service involved before you make such statements - all it takes is somebody like yourself to ruin a previously sterling reputation.
No they dont but they instill confidence and are supposed to be professional - a professional would not place people at risk.
Well, all bodies of water pose a risk, moving waters and still waters alike. By this logic all guides are putting their customers at risk! But seriously - are you not aware of the inherent dangers of fishing rivers? I have fished the Chek. numerous times, and yes it is a dangerous river, but it can quite easily be fished in a safe manner if you are cautious. If you are unaware of the dangers of fishing a river, and consider yourself a better-than-average wader, you will take risks that can easily result in tragedy. Simple as that. It is the guides job to provide an experience that makes you want to come back (to put it simply) - it is a logical expectation for a guide to do so in a safe manner. As I have said before, I know intimately the outfit allegedly involved and customers do not leave the shop, or the truck without a thorough list of requirements, one of which is to be aware of hazards and safety issues around you.
I know I'm going to come off as running to the defense of an outfit I clearly support, but I wouldn't do so unless I had complete reason to. Not only was I educated in fly fishing from day one by this outfit, I chose, on several occasions, to travel to this store because it was, simply put, the best I had found. Knowledgeable staff, a clear dedication to preserving the environment, and a healthy respect for the powers of Mother Nature. To be frank, many guiding services could stand to adopt their attention to safety and the environment from which they provide for their families.
John
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Very sad to hear. My condolences to their families. Im am sure the married couple were passionate anglers and loved the sport they were partaking in.
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Terrible tragedy and I feel sorry for the family as well as the guide who had to witness this.
Accidents do happen to intelligent, sober, upstanding people.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/Memorial+drowned+rescue+attempt/5250920/story.html