Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: RiverBum101 on December 14, 2010, 10:42:43 PM
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I'm asking for a Islander Searun CP reel for Xmas.I use maxima UG for my level wind and i was wondering if u go straight mono on the CP like a level wind or do u splice on some braided line for backing or something Ive been hearing. if some one could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated thanks. ;D
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take it into freds they will hook you up. only place i will get line put on my pins i would recomend maxima camelion
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I just use fly line backing and then maxima ultragreen usually 15 or 12 pound
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great topic i was searching the same thing... new islander steelheader on the way so im thinking the same thing bigg guy... i hear backing is a good idea.. not too sure tho... im sure the pros can explain more on the situation...
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--I'm not a pin guy... but will be soon.
--I'm thinking "lines"as in the subject not one line so think its all true.
--To give informed advise I presume you need to know type of water, fish, presentation,rod characteristics and reel model in order to give informed line advise.
--There area lots of threads on what is your favourite brand of line but from what I can gather, line for Pins is as important as fly line to fly fishing... thus saying you use Cortland fly line.. wouldn't give me any idea of what to use and when to use it weight line, sink rate, sink tip etc.
--Of course I'll be using platypus so what I need to know is the characteristics of the line used in different situations so I can match the line.
--I guess as a beginner it would be more important to start with a line that is forgiving when learning to cast and probably high-vis so I can see what I'm doing?
--I'm thinking an IM8 Raven 14ft with med-size matrix SST-2 reel
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yes you want backing on your pin, it cushions the tension your mono puts on your reel. in some reels straight mono and squeeze tight enough to crack the spool. This is what I've been told.
I used to fish an old Hardy Super Silex and now have an Islander...kind of miss the casting of a bushing reel...but maybe I'm just not used to how easily the bearings allow that reel to spin.
I used Maxima Ultra green but am now trying out Berkley Trilene XL on the suggestion of my local tackle shop guy. more abbrassion resistant and less stretch. I do like less stretch as you know maxima has lots of it.
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Backing is required on some reels so that the spool gets cushioned as mentioned in an earlier post. Some reel manufacturers state that it is not required on their reels. The "reel" ;D reason to use backing in my opinion is to cushion the spool and take up some of the capacity. You would need about 400yds. of #15 to fill up an Islander IS. You really only need about 150-180yds and the rest a #20 dacron backing in the colour of your choice to compliment your rod and reel of course. This enables you to change your main line frequently without spending allot of money.
Some guys do use braided line on their pins and nail not some fluorocarbon to the business end. Myself, I prefer #15 Maxima ultra green. Some co-polymer lines are also excellent but I'm not a fan of the Berkley lines.
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My Islander has 20# backing, plus 20# chameleon line. The slightly heavier line is stiffer and easy to manage for a novice pin fisher. After the somewhat steep learning curve, feel free to spool on a lighter line.
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You definately need some backing on the reel to offset the compression of the mono.
I use 20lb Berkley Big Game when fishing for chum/springs & 12 for coho/steelhead.
As mentioned, heavier line is easier to cast.
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im ruining 15lb chameleon and 20lb backing, i doubt the line would "crack" my reel but i put the backing on as an indicator that i'm going to have to start a quick run after my fish
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now trying out Berkley Trilene XL on the suggestion of my local tackle shop guy. more abbrassion resistant and less stretch.
For the record XL is Extra Limp, XT is extra tough. XL is good for spinning reels, XT is much stiffer line which can be nice for Centrepinning.
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Anything but pink line. I've seen two fellows on the river using it and both complained about cast-ability and buoyancy issues.
(http://homeshopsite.com/img_goods/boating/superior-fishing-line-15l.jpg)
I use pink Maxima on my centerpin and I love it. By far the stiffest line I have ever used. No complaints here.
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Being a bigger spool than a baitcaster or spinning reel.Memory is not as bad unless your running junk.
P- line and Stren have some nice lines and worth looking into.
Used both for years now and no problems for 12-17lb range.
Definately run some backing and add your mainline and your good to go.
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I like to use standard fly line backing, 20 or 30lb, with about 75-100 yards of maxima 20lb ultragreen connected by nail knot. Backing is better for the reel as most have posted, it's what Islander recommends, and it also saves you on line as there's no point wasting a whole spool of ultragreen on it, especially if you like fresh line on your reel.
If you haven't fished a CP before you're probably going to get a lot of line twist, and will be wanting to change the line more often, so you might as well save some there. I use leaders in the 8-15lb range depending on conditions, so if i do get hung up it will break before the 20lb mainline does. Combined with short floating, I rarely lose floats, and replace them 90% of the time from busting them on a missed hookset or on rocks while casting.
The new searun is smaller than the IS so I'm not sure how much backing you'll need on it, but basically you'll want to make sure there's not so much line and backing on the reel that it ends up stopping the reel by bunching against the bottom of the reel seat. If you're not paying attention when reeling in a lot of line, it's possible to stack the line on top of itself all on one side of the reel until you can't reel anymore. It's even easier to do if you overspool, and not something you'll want to deal with when fighting a steelie. ;)
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I say use whatever mono you feel like.. doesn't make too much difference. but listen to everyone here when they say put backing on the reel... I've seen the spools of some reels explode into 4 pieces because there wasn't any backing. 20lb dacron should suffice, as others have said
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For the record XL is Extra Limp, XT is extra tough. XL is good for spinning reels, XT is much stiffer line which can be nice for Centrepinning.
I have to correct myself. I have berkley trilene maxx on my pin. Looking at the spool with some remaining line on it.
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i use Siglon FF, great line for pinning, can"t find out here I usually bring it in from the states or Ontario.
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that was very interesting, thanks guys im thinking maxima is the way to go a west coast favorite.
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Thanks for all the info guys ive Decided to put on #20 dacron and my usally #12 maxima UG.Now all i nedd to figure out is how much dacron to put on for i have around 180 yrds of mono. :)
If you can tie nail knots, just spool the backing 1/2 way up the reel, then mono for the remaining bit. Leave a bit of space at the edge of the reel, at least 4mm so that if your line bunches up while fighting fish it doesn't jam up under the reel foot.
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(http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m358/kalinichkid/DSC00697.jpg)
Tis the season!! #20 dacron, #15 Utragreen.
Tight Lines. ;)
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that is a beautiful fish... :o
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Being using straight mono fishing lines on my CP reels for 37 years and I have never put backing on it before. Never had any problems. Same with my mooching single action reels. I used lots of P-line as my mainline on all my CP reels.
Silex-user
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In the old days one used to wrap wool around the spool (as the cushion) then add mono.
Now I have 30# backing ( you don't get as much on as 20#) but it loads back onto the reel smoother if I should happen to go past my 150 yds of UG.
I just do that because I tend to put 30# backing on my fly reels where I notice the respooling.
and backing will retain it's strength longer than straight mono.
My 2 cents.
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I use backing on my islander simply because it holds so much line. Its cheaper and easier to changes 150 or so yards rather than what the spool will hold. My avon holds less line so i spool it with straight mono.
I use 15lb maxima camelion. I have used ultragreen before but prefer a stiffer line on a pin. I haven't used any other brands than maxima. There may be better but what I use works good and is easy to find so I don't really feel a need to try others.
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i use Siglon FF, great line for pinning, can"t find out here I usually bring it in from the states or Ontario.
what # are you using? Anybody else using one of thesehttp://www.centerpinangling.com/main-line.html (http://www.centerpinangling.com/main-line.html)
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I used the Hi-Vis pink Siglon F in 12#(frays easily, stretches and bad line twists) then tried Ultima Flo-Cast in 20# and was great till you hooked a fish with some weight like chinooks or chum and then the line would split and expose the fibers around the hollow core. I'm now using 15# Raven(Hi-Vis yellow) and so far it's not bad. Great knot strength, floats like the others and pretty good abrasion resistance and low stretch. I still go back to and always feel secure using 15# Maxima Chameleon.
Thanks ChromeKings. Where did you buy your GLX 1563?
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Lots of guys start using fireline on their centerpin for bigger system in Ontario and many good reviews.... I switched to seaguar invizX fluorocarbpn in 15lb and worked like a charm...