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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Preliator on November 02, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
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Is there any significant pros and cons to using each particular set up? Just from observation, it appears the fixed set up actually seems to be a bit of a pain. When fishing in a run with some depth, your ability to cast is greatly effected leaving you to have to pitch and toss. Which isn't entirely bad, if the run is close-ish to you. With the sliding set up, you have far more control over things. Is it nothing more than personal preference, or am I missing something here?
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just an observation.
fixed float on braided; sliding on mono.
i've seen sliding floats not really slide quick enough as they get hung up easier on the braid esp. power pro.
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I do fixed as I dont find it sinks fast enough and as it drifts past the stopper gets pulled up from the float so you could miss a bite. Sometimes those stoppers dont exit the eyes very smooth either and screw with your cast.
A stopper up top and one below so I dont lose my float if I snag up
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in faster water, definately a stopper below the float as well as above, otherwise the float will slide down to your sinkers and you'll be fishing in 6" of depth.
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I cant think of too many spots on the vedder where a 10.5' rod and a fixed float is an issue??? I guess its can be tough to manage 10+ feeet of line below your float when you're fishing a 6 foot deep run! ::) Ya I guess a sliding float really helps when you are dredging the bottom.
In all seriousness, I have seen bobber stoppers migrate cast after casat as they catch on the guides. This can lead to shortened casts, fishing too deep, and unneccessary snags.
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i've seen sliding floats not really slide quick enough as they get hung up easier on the braid esp. power pro.
And one needs to use braided because.......?
Particularily on anything less than the Fraser bar fishing..............
Attach some mono to your braid or are you fishing for sturgeon or halibut perhaps?
just curious.
Sliding stoppers seem to work best on 20lb mainline, when using 15lb you have to check it more regularily, anything less = no sliders (IMO)
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And one needs to use braided because.......?
Particularily on anything less than the Fraser bar fishing..............
Attach some mono to your braid or are you fishing for sturgeon or halibut perhaps?
just curious.
Sliding stoppers seem to work best on 20lb mainline, when using 15lb you have to check it more regularily, anything less = no sliders (IMO)
Braided line doesn't necessarily mean stronger line. There is braid in #8, 10#, 12# 15#,20#....and so on - just like mono.
The main advantage of braided line is that it is of much thinner diameter than mono at the same pound strength.
Another huge advantage of braided line is that it has virtually no memory, no stretch and no coiling, which translates into better bite detection and much longer line life than mono. I only use braided line on all my spinning reels and most of my levelwinds.
Of course, you have to pay for the pleasure, as any decent braid is quite more expensive than mono. But you get your money back because braid lasts so much much longer than mono.
Don't dismiss braid without knowing all the facts.
Braid rules!
Of course, the leader will be flourocarbon or mono as it is much stealthier than any braid on the market today, although I have yet to try this one, but it's pricey:
http://www.berkley-fishing.com/products/line/superline/fireline-fused-crystal
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Sliding float in slow deep water. Fixed float in faster flows. Sliders don't give good control in fast water IMHO.
Seldom use a slider in the Chilliwack because it is mostly shallow and fast, ususally use a slider in the Nitinat pools.
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I don't know why one would use a sliding float for drift fishing on a river.
Milo, I tried the braid and I'm not impressed.
I don't like it because you feel every little tick and tack on the bottom and the line makes noise when it moves through the guides.
It simply disturbs the silence and the sounds of the river.
I just like the smooth feel of the mono.
Plus mono is much less visible in the water. (Sometimes this is a pain)
I do like the durability of the braid though.
Braid is really popularized buy the bass fishermen fishing in muddy ponds where fish don't see in front of their noses.
But here in these clear waters we have, I'd rather stick with the mono.
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Personally I really like braid for the reasons Milo stated on this thread.
The only (little) thing I might have against it is it seems to have less give than mono which means that I get my leaders snapped more easily when the fish makes a sudden dash near the shore. At least that's my excuse when it happens.
I have never had any problems using it with sliding float setup.
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In all seriousness, I have seen bobber stoppers migrate cast after casat as they catch on the guides. This can lead to shortened casts, fishing too deep, and unneccessary snags.
Is it possible that it was a bad batch of bobber stoppers? The ones I use require me to hold the line quite firmly when attempting to adjust it. I can't see the guides really tugging them after a cast. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Is there a way to rig your set up so that you can fairly easily switch between each under different applications?
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Is it possible that it was a bad batch of bobber stoppers? The ones I use require me to hold the line quite firmly when attempting to adjust it. I can't see the guides really tugging them after a cast. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Is there a way to rig your set up so that you can fairly easily switch between each under different applications?
I'm pretty sure gooey is referring to when people use a sliding float. When you reel the stops through the guides and cast they get caught up and screw things up.
Also dne makes a yellow and a green tag bobber stops. The yellow are for larger siZed line...if you use the yellow size on 12 lb mono it slides fairly easy.
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I still don't understand the pros of using a sliding over a fixed float?
I dont think there is one. I always use a fixed float. I've never had to fish a float longer than my rod or the need to cast extreme distances. The only time I use a sliding float is when I bobber fish at rice lake for stocked trout lol
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I still don't understand the pros of using a sliding over a fixed float?
When you use a sliding float, you crank your line in so the float sits tight to your 3-way swivel when you cast.
This makes for a shorter amount of line out the end of your rod which should be easier to cast.
Somewhere further up your line, you have a float stopper above the float (probably near your reel when cranked in).
The stopper normally consists of a number of loops of braid clamped down on the line and a tiny bead below.
When your rig hits the water, the weight pulls the line down (running through the middle of the float) until the float hits the stopper.
It makes it easier to fish deeper pools without having to cast the equivalent to a long leader.
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I still don't understand the pros of using a sliding over a fixed float?
With a slider you can set your bobber stop so as to enable you to cast and fish the bottom of a 25 ft. deep pool, something you cannot do with a fixed float.
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Don't dismiss braid without knowing all the facts.
I wasn't dismissing it so much as I was trying to discourage the unfamiliar who have thier Fraser river sockeye rigs who now want to use there new-found prowess on other systems.
Also it'll take longer than OUR lifetime to bio-degrade.
And I've seen a lot more of it littering the rivers this fall
Attach some mono to the braid and replace that when needed.
Just my opinion.
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I wasn't dismissing it so much as I was trying to discourage the unfamiliar who have thier Fraser river sockeye rigs who now want to use there new-found prowess on other systems.
Also it'll take longer than OUR lifetime to bio-degrade.
And I've seen a lot more of it littering the rivers this fall
Attach some mono to the braid and replace that when needed.
Just my opinion.
Does mono bio degrade fast???
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Sliding floats are fine in slow water, but in fast water, you never know if you're on bottom. also, its tough to reel in to change drift "lanes" as your bait is drifting with a sliding float. I prefer fixed most of the time.
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i find a fixed best (if you can move it whenever needed). one line wrap and you can adjust on the fly
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fixed floats for me, I only use those foam floats from gibbs with a rubber band around the float no bobber stops needed as they do screw up your casting its best just to try both and see which set up you like to fish everybody has there own preference
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That makes sense if you are fishing a really deep pool but there isn't many spots in the lowermainland where there are 25ft pools, or even close, besides the fraser. Wouldn't the stopper hit your guides as you cast and the line comes out of your reel? Fixed float just seems way easier and quicker to set up Imo.
The stopper I use doesn't seem to be noticeable while casting. I simply tie part of a duncan loop (minus the loop) with a separate piece of line to the mainline and clip the tag ends down.
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I wasn't dismissing it so much as I was trying to discourage the unfamiliar who have thier Fraser river sockeye rigs who now want to use there new-found prowess on other systems.
Also it'll take longer than OUR lifetime to bio-degrade.
And I've seen a lot more of it littering the rivers this fall
Attach some mono to the braid and replace that when needed.
Just my opinion.
I have heard this one from some environmentally concious fishermen before and I think that may be tru true if you choose to use a leader with the same breaking strain as your mono.
I really think the environmental argument is bogus if braid is used properly. I definitely agree about attaching the mono to the braid and replacing whats needed - works great because I can get a big difference in breaking strain between the mainline and the leader without compromizing line capacity on my reel or the ability to get a good drift. (..plus I get to keep my float and weight when I do snag up or a fish breaks off :))
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Does mono bio degrade fast???
No, not fast but it will break down (UV rays make it brittle) into much smaller pieces and eventually, though not gone, will disappear from sight and become less of hazard.
(NOTE: this is why you should store your lined reels and spools of line in the dark or at least out of direct sunlight when not in use and replace your line occasionally as the UV rays will weaken your line)
Though still obviously not good for the environment it would appear to be the lesser of 2 evils (IMO).
In a perfect world EVERYONE would take there trimmings and buggered line home with them instead of littering the banks and channels of the rivers.
I really think the environmental argument is bogus if braid is used properly.
Properly is the operative word. I'm sure you and many others are responsible and do use it properly but with the amount of line( both braided and mono) littering the rivers (mono being the lesser of the evils) there obviously is a problem with others lack of concern.
But this thread is supposed to be about floats.
I do use sliding floats and fixed floats However I generally use a stop at the bottom as well and find it easier and quicker to adjust my depth (especially with numb fingers in the winter).
I would remove the bottom stopper if I felt I had to for a deep pool but I just like the simplicity.
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I took all the insight from this thread and took it to the water this weekend. I tried out the fixed float and ended up using it all weekend. Don't think I'll ever go back to the sliding method.
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just an observation.
fixed float on braided; sliding on mono.
i've seen sliding floats not really slide quick enough as they get hung up easier on the braid esp. power pro.
Totally agree there