Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ja on October 30, 2010, 04:10:43 PM
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I was told that fishing these areas might be worthwhile. I've never fished or even been to them before. Is there enough current to short float them? Or should I just chuck spoons/spinners. Also, I'm not asking for any secrets, but if anyone can email me a suggestion as to where in that area to go...(I really never have been around there before), that'd be much appreciated. Thanks all! Btw, is Norrish Creek also known as "Suicide Creek" or are they different places?
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Yes, Norrish and Suicide are the same. I know Nicomen is tidal, so the bite usually come son with the high tide. I don't realy fish these rivers myslef. Try it and let us know how you do.
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i've had success with blue fox spinners in the norrish and dewdney sloughs. fish the high tide.
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best thing to do is take a drive and check it out rather than talk about is on the internet. With all the new sockey rods purchased this year, it could realy devistate a small sytem like suicide...
it has already taken a big hit the last 2 years
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best thing to do is take a drive and check it out rather than talk about is on the internet. With all the new sockey rods purchased this year, it could realy devistate a small sytem like suicide...
it has already taken a big hit the last 2 years
thank you!
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If you notice the lack of discussion of these smaller rivers, there is good reason for that. Best thing to do is to go out and see for yourself. Better yet, make some friends with people on the rivers. Most of my fishing buddies were people whom I met while fishing. You will find that people will be more willing to share information on the river than on the internet. The internet is a great place to talk about fishing methods and to find out about general water conditions. I was fishing well before the internet even existed. Part of the fun and challenge is to go out and explore and find these places for yourself.
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If you notice the lack of discussion of these smaller rivers, there is good reason for that. Best thing to do is to go out and see for yourself. Better yet, make some friends with people on the rivers. Most of my fishing buddies were people whom I met while fishing. You will find that people will be more willing to share information on the river than on the internet. The internet is a great place to talk about fishing methods and to find out about general water conditions. I was fishing well before the internet even existed. Part of the fun and challenge is to go out and explore and find these places for yourself.
well said .
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Thanks gman and redtide for your useful replies. I didn't know about fishing the tide out there.
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best thing to do is take a drive and check it out rather than talk about is on the internet. With all the new sockey rods purchased this year, it could realy devistate a small sytem like suicide...
it has already taken a big hit the last 2 years
Well said.
Let's keep details about those smaller flows offline, please.
I have been fishing some of them the last few weekends and had a really great time in a crowd-free environment.
Hopefully, it stays that way.
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Norrish and Nicomen a secret now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry guys but every tackle shop send people there because the fishing is usually decent.
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Norrish and Nicomen a secret now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry guys but every tackle shop send people there because the fishing is usually decent.
Gotta agree. No secrets here.
And yes, the fishing is usually pretty decent. In fact I would offer that the coho bite better on this system than any other in the LM.
And yes I do fish here so its not a deflection on my part.
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Norrish and Nicomen a secret now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry guys but every tackle shop send people there because the fishing is usually decent.
That is for sure! I'm not sure I agree with the last part any more though. 7 or 8 years ago maybe, but this system has been getting busier (and full of people using sockeye techniques) every year since message boards like this have been around. There used to be tons of awesome water to flyfish in the past but those days are gone...
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That is for sure! I'm not sure I agree with the last part any more though. 7 or 8 years ago maybe, but this system has been getting busier (and full of people using sockeye techniques) every year since message boards like this have been around. There used to be tons of awesome water to flyfish in the past but those days are gone...
I agree its much busier now than years ago. It doesnt bother me that its busier as both are a product of the Inch Creek Hatchery.
The Nicomen can be hit or miss though. If you dont time it right it will be a ghost town. If you hit it just right you could have a fantastic day. I dont see those sockeye techniques on the Nicomen. Its a muddy bottom so you cant bounce anything there.
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By sockeye technique I think he's referring to snagging fish that don't bite.
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You can still grip and rip! ???
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You can still grip and rip! ???
True but not as effective
Besides people who are ripping are more obvious and usually someone will say something. When I see someone doing it I will go up and ask him how the snagging is going. Usually they look at me with a stupid face and go away.
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Awesome dude!I have learned to walk away because because calling DFO does nothing and the grip and rippers are usually never alone.
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Yea, I have fished both systems quite a few times to no avail. A total waste of time, dont waste your time on these small unproductive waterways.
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Norrish is a small creek. It has very little flow in the lower ends. Fish usually stock up under the train bridge area and many people will try to 'rip' that place like mad. Considering the number of fish in that little hole and the number of fish caught, it's actually not very effective to fish that area. Further down river or up past the gravel mine area, you'll find good fishing spots and less people. When going up river, it's advisable to bring a friend or two with you. It's frequented by bears.
Kanaka, Alouette also have coho in them. These systems you can only retain 1 coho per day. So not frequented by people who want their catch numbers. Cause these two rivers are small fishing rigs need to be light, it provides different kind of fun.
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Yea fished kanaka and alouette with friends too and never seen a fish, not worth the bother.
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Bear spray is always a good item to take along to Norrish.
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Fish the Nicomen plenty as I cycle throught the best runs through out the lower mainland, and have not found the Nicomen to be frequented by individuals with somewhat questionable fishing practices & tactics. Usually just spincasters from shore, few guys trying to take them on the fly, and some boats trolling the deeper channels.
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Norrish should be designated a fly fishing stream. I'm not saying the whole thing, but some sections that particulary suitable for fly fiishing.
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Norrish should be designated a fly fishing stream. I'm not saying the whole thing, but some sections that particulary suitable for fly fiishing.
This would be a dream come true! There should be at least one lower mainland flow with a fly-fish only and or catch and release only designation.
And just to clarify my earlier point, no I have never seen flossers or rippers in Nicoman Slough. Lots of both in Norrish though.
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Norrish should be designated a fly fishing stream. I'm not saying the whole thing, but some sections that particulary suitable for fly fiishing.
Why? its a hatchery river? as you have said there are many spots already more suitable to fly fishing or spinner fishing where snaggers are unlikely to find success.
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This would be a dream come true! There should be at least one lower mainland flow with a fly-fish only and or catch and release only designation.
And just to clarify my earlier point, no I have never seen flossers or rippers in Nicoman Slough. Lots of both in Norrish though.
There are a few rivers that do have fly fishing only designation, (at least part of the rivers), year round.
The problem is rivers that have special designations such as fly fishing , bait ban usually have very few fish in them so fly fishers don't go there.
Lower Squamish has to be the best fly fishing river in town. Lots of room and huge shallow flats.
We seem to find many reasons why fishing is getting poorer and poorer on our local streams.
But the number 1 reason remains too many people fishing.
Tackle manufacturers are promoting fishing and a way to educate the people about rivers in hopes that fishermen will become stewards and protectors of those rivers.
But for every 100 licenses they sell, probably only 1 person becomes interested in their environment and problems due to overfishing.
The other 99 are flossers.
I think it'd be better for the environment if they promoted watching American Idol.
Norrish and Nicomen have no water this year.
I hope this is not the new standard.
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There are a few rivers that do have fly fishing only designation, (at least part of the rivers), year round.
The problem is rivers that have special designations such as fly fishing , bait ban usually have very few fish in them.
Lower Squamish has to be the best fly fishing river in town. Lots of room and huge shallow flats.
Norrish and Nicomen have no water this year.
I hope this is not the new standard.
agreed, Norrish has sucked balls this year, even when the water has been up and it should be stacked
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I think all rivers in the Fraser Valley should be designated as "anglers whose first name is fishing related" only streams.
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I think the Vedder should be fly fishing only. Look at super angler milo's report.
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Why? its a hatchery river? as you have said there are many spots already more suitable to fly fishing or spinner fishing where snaggers are unlikely to find success.
I don't care if its a hatchery river or not. Rivers that are large such as the Vedder or Squamish don't need a fly fishing only disignation even if there were great for fly fishing because they are large, but a small river such as Norrish in some sections should be disignated fly fishing only.
First because in these sections the water is low and slow and all spinners, floats, and lead only spook the fish, and is therefore is not compatible with fly fishing which does not spook the fish. Again, knowledgeable fishers will know what sections I'm talking about. Its impossible to sustain a quality fishing experience on a quiet section of river when surrounded by heavy hard ware tossers.
I do not favour the fly fishing only disignation as a general rule, but in very exceptional and limited locations.
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First because in these sections the water is low and slow and all spinners, floats, and lead only spook the fish, and is therefore is not compatible with fly fishing which does not spook the fish. Again, knowledgeable fishers will know what sections I'm talking about.
Well that's a load of crap. There is alot of terrible fly casters out there. I think the government should apply "No Seal Zones" too where no mammals such as Seals are allowed to swim because I hear they spook fish too.
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The Norrish is a small system that with one heavy rain can come way way way up.
The reason the Nicomen and Norrish have been low is the weather. Who really knows
what mother nature will bring these next few years???
Fly fishing only...Sounds good keep all the Fraser/vedder beeks away. ;D
Wishful thinking.
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I don't care if its a hatchery river or not. Rivers that are large such as the Vedder or Squamish don't need a fly fishing only disignation even if there were great for fly fishing because they are large, but a small river such as Norrish in some sections should be disignated fly fishing only.
First because in these sections the water is low and slow and all spinners, floats, and lead only spook the fish, and is therefore is not compatible with fly fishing which does not spook the fish. Again, knowledgeable fishers will know what sections I'm talking about. Its impossible to sustain a quality fishing experience on a quiet section of river when surrounded by heavy hard ware tossers.
I do not favour the fly fishing only disignation as a general rule, but in very exceptional and limited locations.
dfo can't keep people from fishing the limit hole no matter how many signs there are, you think that they could in any way regulate a few spots on the Norrish that would be fly only? there are really only a few spots on this river that hold fish, if you want to fish in between those I'm sure you would not have to worry about being crowded out ;D
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So basically a fly angler is complaining that gear is either too effective or spooks fish that he was hoping to catch?
I've never had a problem using gear to hook coho in the norrish even in low clear conditions.