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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: chris gadsden on October 11, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
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Water was in top shape since daylight with lots of fish moving through but little success for me and Lew. I guess I joined the long lining crews that are everywhere as the only fish I had a chance at was a clipped coho jack that I snagged in the side. ??? ::) :-[ What a beak.
A fellow from the forum who was fishing in a proper manner got a nice coho just below us. I filled half a bag of line and garbage and found a dozen floats, one a DNE and the other a cleardrift, also a few tins. Maybe that's is the problem I spent more time walking around than angling. ;D
I also in a bit of a discussion with a fellow long lining as he snagged 2 or 3 fish in a very short time. I know when they do not take our good bait they certainly will not be taking wool. I left after that chat feeling disgusted with myself for bothering to say anything to this chap, he may not even know he is snagging his fish. Lew and I went to a better environment coffee at MacDonald's.
A nap now and I will fish the tide where I know I will get some bites. ;D ;D
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I left after that chat feeling disgusted with myself for bothering to say anything to this chap, he may not even know he is snagging his fish.
Don't be too hard on yourself Chris, nobody's perfect. Besides, being a Leafs fan, your prone to making mistakes ;D ;D Thank you for the report, good luck later on.
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I know when they do not take our good bait they certainly will not be taking wool.
iv seen many coho taken legit on wool and jensen egg when they were off the bite on roe!
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Im seriously sick of this fishing. I cant even move on to the next run, because theres just another crowd there waiting. I got lucky today fishing amongst some guys that fished with respect. Just down at the next run, I can clearly see 3 people off this forum flossing, come on guys you know better. Sad to say but im ready for steelhead season already, maybe I should just suck it up because it was a long weekend after all.
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Im seriously sick of this fishing. I cant even move on to the next run, because theres just another crowd there waiting.
Maybe try a different flow. With some strong legs and persistence, you CAN find places in the Lower Mainland where you CAN salmon fish without having the crowds and unethical methods taking place. If not, I guess you will have to just suck it up, as painful as it is. :)
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After yesterdays near breakthrough on my personal success with the ever elusive coho, I was eager to return to action this AM.
I couldn't have been more wrong. Water was great - actually would have preferred it to be up just a touch more at first light as an extra foot of water is what is needed to bring the fish in tight to the bank as I found them yesterday - so this is what I'm placing the blame on as I didn't see very many fish moving around this AM, couple springs and a chum that's it, yesterday it was full of Coho, oh well. So way less fish but literally twice the people, I guess it's less busy on sunday as people go to church ? or maybe that was the actual turkey dinner. Told myself if not even a sniff by 9 am, leave and go get chum dumb at the stave. Dumb is right -- in terms of the amount of people there, apparently fish hooked in the gill plate are fair game, whatever. I was able to find a little serenity casting a Colorado near another angler doing the same as me - didn't get into too many fish, 3 to be exact, but one was a very nice and bright doe, around 10 lbs, and now i have what seems like 2lbs of roe getting the cure.... which is good, cause I was completely out, oh well maybe next weekend.
Maybe us fair fishers should just gang rape out some spots so the snaggots can try their trade where the river bottom isn't so accommodating to bouncing weights.
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After yesterdays near breakthrough on my personal success with the ever elusive coho, I was eager to return to action this AM.
apparently fish hooked in the gill plate are fair game, whatever.
Maybe us fair fishers should just gang rape out some spots so the snaggots can try their trade where the river bottom isn't so accommodating to bouncing weights.
apparently its legal to hook the chum in the back too ! and did they raise limit on chum in the ved to 2 ? I thought it was 1 ! had a little bit of an argument bout that. and those clipped Chinook I got scolded about when I told the dude it was a sockeye and the idiot told me sockeye season was over !!! at least he had a nice black 1 already carded or he would a bonk that 1 !!!
But I took a nice twenty minute walk and found a quiet place and hooked numerous springs which I couldn't land and a few chum and a jack which I shoulda a bonked !
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Slipped out to to the canal for an hour before dark on the out going tide where with the highwater some serenity has returned to this part of the river. Not sure if the KWB bar can be reached because of the rise.
Once again the smolts were hungry but I did have 3 take down which I thought were not smolts, One was a nice sized coho jack that fell off shortly after being hooked. I was using a roe bag as the little smolt bandits kept stripping my bait off.
Saw two anglers into some jacks too and one angler lost a nice coho on a blade just as I was leaving, Not as many fish showing like they were before the jump yesterday as they are moving through quickly I think.
I may have to try a blade tomorrow to break the adult coho jinx of this season, that is if the flow stays in as it is raining out now.
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Slipped out to to the canal for an hour before dark on the out going tide where with the highwater some serenity has returned to this part of the river. Not sure if the KWB bar can be reached because of the rise.
Once again the smolts were hungry but I did have 3 take down which I thought were not smolts, One was a nice sized coho jack that fell off shortly after being hooked. I was using a roe bag as the little smolt bandits kept stripping my bait off.
Saw two anglers into some jacks too and one angler lost a nice coho on a blade just as I was leaving, Not as many fish showing like they were before the jump yesterday as they are moving through quickly I think.
I may have to try a blade tomorrow to break the adult coho jinx of this season, that is if the flow stays in as it is raining out now.
Milo and I were out on the lower this afternoon and covered lots of water. In about 4 hours we might have seen a total of half a dozen fish jump. Neither one of us hooked anything in the afternoon. We started in the upper in the morning and got some fish ( no coho though ) Our buddy Tad who ventured out without us in the morning limited out on coho though as he stayed in the upper in the afternoon. Milo and I were looking for some new locations void of people. We found those peaceful spots but too bad their were no fish.
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Was out from 3 till about 630 in the lower, got to the chosen spot without another angler in sight ;D(except Chris in the leafcraft). Threw roe at the fish and managed a nice coho jack and a clean chum. Not as many fish around as the past few days. Had my roe stripped by little smolts. Finally i had enough roe robbery that i switched to a blade. Third cast coho on. Tried to land it when my buddy touched the leader, SNAP. Oh well he lived to fight another day. Water was in great shape.
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Daily quota of chum salmon in the Chilliwack River is indeed 1 currently. It is very likely that it will be reduced to zero on October 15th, a fishery notice will be available if this comes in effect.
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Managed to trick an adult coho and a jack spring with colorado blade today.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/Fishiotherapist/1286844173.jpg?t=1286856015)
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Was out from 3 till about 630 in the lower, got to the chosen spot without another angler in sight ;D(except Chris in the leafcraft). Threw roe at the fish and managed a nice coho jack and a clean chum. Not as many fish around as the past few days. Had my roe stripped by little smolts. Finally i had enough roe robbery that i switched to a blade. Third cast coho on. Tried to land it when my buddy touched the leader, SNAP. Oh well he lived to fight another day. Water was in great shape.
I should have slipped over with my net, ;D too bad you lost it, looked like a very nice coho, had my mouth water when I saw it. ;D ;D
The Leaf Craft#3 is anxious for a trip tomorrow if the river stays in.
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I had another successful day out on the flow, got my limit of coho and released 6 more. Landed 4 of 5 chum hooked and broke off a stubborn brute of a chinook. Out of the 10 coho 8 were on roe and the other 2 on hardware, chum, 3 on shrimp and 2 on a jig.
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and you can't leave a coho or two for the people who are struggling to hook up with one!?
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Chum limit to be reduced to ZERO? ???
You are kidding, right, Rodney?
Why would that be? ???
There are so many chum every year!
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Or it might be a way to try and control the snagging problems. Lots of chum means it's easy to snag them, who is going to want to go snag chum ALL day to try and get a couple coho? Back in the day there was no retention of chum on the chilliwack river...
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Or it might be a way to try and control the snagging problems. Lots of chum means it's easy to snag them, who is going to want to go snag chum ALL day to try and get a couple coho? Back in the day there was no retention of chum on the chilliwack river...
Yep, no retention of chum, pinks and adult chinook. I often wonder what the fishing experience would be like if those species were closed for retention after a certain date say Sept 30?
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Reason for making the limit zero is probably because of the flood in 2006 wiping out a large percentage of the chum eggs.
As well all the gravel mining that goes on every two years is compromising good spawning beds. If you pay attention you will notice how loose around the pits the gravel is, most fish will avoid this loose gravel as if they do spawn there it will easily wash away or get covered over by more gravel as the gravel will move around easy.
Gravel extraction in rivers is just bad, especially when they just want it for aggregate and not doing it for flood protection.
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Yep, no retention of chum, pinks and adult chinook. I often wonder what the fishing experience would be like if those species were closed for retention after a certain date say Sept 30?
The good old days when the coho came back thick... However now you need skill and experience to hook up with a decent number in a day. I could only imagine the number of coho an ethical angler from today could hook back then when the numbers were good. Sure it sucks that there are less coho returning this day and age however it has really increased the skill level of the anglers who stick to their ethical ways. Joe, I don't think it would have anything to do with snagging. If that was the case then they would shut down retention on the other species as well.
I also doubt it has anything to do with the snagging as well but one can only hope I guess.
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The good old days when the coho came back thick... However now you need skill and experience to hook up with a decent number in a day. I could only imagine the number of coho an ethical angler from today could hook back then when the numbers were good. Sure it sucks that there are less coho returning this day and age however it has really increased the skill level of the anglers who stick to their ethical ways. I also doubt it has anything to do with the snagging as well but one can only hope I guess.
I remember as a complete newbie back in 1990, averaging 7 coho each morning on store bought roe. I went to the same spot every time, never thought of searching out better places. I wonder how I would have done then knowing what I know now.
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okay...thats it. One of the above 3 coho pro's...has to take me fishing with them, free packed lunch!!!!
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okay...thats it. One of the above 3 coho pro's...has to take me fishing with them, free packed lunch!!!!
I second this request, I'll bring the beverages
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I second this request, I'll bring the beverages
Coho a tough to catch these days because every spot that has coho has trillion people in it.
When people see others catching coho in one spot they have to join them immediately.
They spoil it for the guy that's catching the fish.
People just don't appreciate the fact that if there is more than one guy in a small run the coho will spook.
When you catch one fish in a small pool chances are you won't catch another one for a while. You have to give it a rest for an hour.
Few years back I had 3-4 pools that I could regularly catch coho if I left them alone for an hour. I visit them each twice in the morning and I would have a bite or two. A fish or two.
It was a blast.
But there was nobody around.
Now, it a zoo.
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Chum limit to be reduced to ZERO? ???
You are kidding, right, Rodney?
Why would that be? ???
There are so many chum every year!
The numbers are simply not there. Instead of the expected 12-15 million fish, test fisheries have shown that the number is under 1 million.
Where did the chum go?
Probably a similar mystery as the sockeye that never came last year.
I partake in the chum derby at Brown Bay's marina every year, but this year I will pass, as the most recent reports are of numerous guide boats coming EMPTY HANDED from a full day fishing for chum. Many of the missing fish are LML stock, so that is why the Vedder will see a quota of ZERO chum retention for the first time in years.
Tough luck for some...maybe there will be less people on the Vedder for that reason alone.
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The fishery notice for chum salmon retention closure will be available tomorrow. It will come in effect on October 15th as I mentioned earlier.
Here are some FYIs.
Outlook of 2010's chum salmon return to the Lower Fraser River.
Quantitative forecasts are not prepared for Fraser River chums (catch by stock and escapement information is limited). On average, the largest contributing age class
to Fraser chum escapement is 4 year-olds (75-85%). Consequently, the most significant brood year contributing to the returns in 2010 should be from the 2006 escapement. Fraser chum escapement in 2006 was assessed at 2.0 M; this is equal to the recent 11 year escapement average (1998-2008 average: 2.0 M). However,
Fraser chum escapement has been trending downward over the last 11 years. Both the 2007 & 2008 escapement was estimated at 1.0M; the escapement goal for
Fraser chum is 0.8 M. An estimate of the 2009 escapement is not yet available although early indications are that escapement to some of the largest contributors
(e.g. Harrison & Stave) are substantially below recent levels. Hatchery contribution to recent escapement is poorly understood. Production releases of fed fry have declined in the Fraser since the 1990’s (from a 20M annual average for 1991-1997 to a 5.5M average for 1998-2008; hatchery releases of fed fry of the 2006 brood totaled only 4.3M. Although parental escapement in 2006 was high, the recent downward trend in escapement, the early indications of lower than average escapement in 2009, and a decrease in hatchery production of fed-fry for this brood year, provides for an assessment of low to near target. (2009 Outlook status: 3)
The low forecast was discussed at the spring SFAC meeting.
Chilliwack Hatchery staff expressed concern about the 2010 return of chum salmon because of a major flood in the fall of 2006 that likely had a significant effect on this years return. In addition the three year old return in 2007 was the lowest on record also suggesting that the chum return in 2010 will be very low. Due to the above the hatchery staff requested non-retention of chum in 2010 for this year only.
The UFV SFAC, given the concern expressed by Chilliwack Hatchery staff of the anticipated low returns of chum salmon, moves that the chum fishery on the Chilliwack/Vedder River be non-retention for 2010 only.
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Well, then leave the female chum alone. Just take the male chum. I guess this will be 'roe-hardship' for some. ;D) Want to do that for the fish? ;)
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Well, then leave the female chum alone. Just take the male chum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilisation
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Imagine how many chum get killed just for the roe and the fish is thrown back into the river. See it all the time...
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Imagine how many chum get killed just for the roe and the fish is thrown back into the river. See it all the time...
Thats a shame as I have smoked two this year and they are very good tasting done this way.
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Thats a shame as I have smoked two this year and they are very good tasting done this way.
Hey Chris it was nice to meet u that day...Had a blast for my first trip to the vedder will definately be out there some time this week...
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Hey Chris it was nice to meet u that day...Had a blast for my first trip to the vedder will definately be out there some time this week...
And you did well, any more after we left?
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Now this chum closure makes me feel bad for taking a few females this year. :o
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And you did well, any more after we left?
Couple more hook ups buddy u were talking to hooked into a nice coho but lost the battle and i connect to a nice silver spring but lost em close to shore...other than that it was a fairly good day from what they have told me.