Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: valleydude on September 18, 2010, 08:17:41 PM
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had a FN (mohawk and all ) tell me i had to ask his permission to fish on the fraser river,he was taking plate #'s at the entrance,asked what was up,guess he didnt like my shitty attitude,told me RCMP told him it was ok to do this,asked him to call RCMP and have them tell me i couldnt fish somewhere i had been fishing all year,made a phone call but no one was available,guess they were busy dealing with other white TAX PAYING guys abusing indian land,makes one wonder if its worth all the my smelly socks
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your right,i have a issue with being treated like a piece of cupcakes for someone elses poor treatment of FN,i guess it would be ok to ask a person of FN decent to ask permission to walk on my street according to your thinking,now who is ignorant and racist
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i had never had to ask before,if it was such a big problem,maybe there should be a gate so i can just slide a token in the slot and be done with all the bs,funny how this only became a issue on the last weekend of sockeye opening,must be time to pay the gatekeeper again,and again and again,
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just follow my approach
throw your arms up
relax
walk away
and let it go
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I have done the same as FisherForever. Only been turned away from reserve land once so far and it was on a place that i had fished even the weekend prior. I will normally go up to any landowners property i would like to cross to get somewhere, the worst you can get is a NO which means to forget about that spot or find another way around ;)
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if i had know this was a issue i would of found somewhere to fish,i find it hard to believe every person at seabird asked permission,i suspect most people have no idea that you need permission,when i see someone taking down plate #'s and ask what is going on,i don cons ider that a act of defiance,i feel some FN are looking to make things conforntational as a means of pitting themselves against the white man,im sorry but that bs is getting old
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That breeze of positivity on a Saturday night is simply too overwhelming.
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For years I launched my boat on Cheam property upstream of the Agassiz bridge. How I got to do that is I asked permission of one of the elders. There were several times during those years that I was challenged as to why I was launching my boat there and when I gave the name of the elder that had given me the permission I had no problems.
I agree with some of the comments here. (other than the suggestion that you are being racist) You did not ask permission to be on their land, so you were trespassing and when you were confronted you gave the FN member attitude. Try doing it right the next time and you'll have no problems.
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I don't blame the natives for being unhappy with the situation at Seabird. There is lots of traffic and garbage left by the fishermen on the reserve property. A reserve is private property. If it was owned by anyone else it would have been closed off long ago.
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The countdown to civilized boards is on.....
Get the circus off the river for another 4 years.
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i am sorry i vented on this site,i obviously didnt know i had to ask permission PS when i said my shitty attitude,i was referring to the attitude i received when i asked why he was taking down #s , like i had no right to question his authority,at least i will know where to send check for ticket when i receive it
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Venting is a perfectly normal thing for a board like this one. Do so in an educated manner. If you saw a nice piece of riverfront across some dairy farmers field, would you cross it?
As others have said, although you may not always be approached, treat Indian Reservations the same as private property. If approached, be polite, acknowledge their concerns, and more often than not you will be rewarded with access.
I highly doubt you would get a ticket if you didn't do anything wrong. If you do get a ticket, it's your right as a Canadian citizen to appeal it.
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your right,i have a issue with being treated like a piece of **** for someone elses poor treatment of FN,i guess it would be ok to ask a person of FN decent to ask permission to walk on my street according to your thinking,now who is ignorant and racist
that post is both ignorant and racist
you can't solve problems this way
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considering i grew up in2 different towns with large FN populations,have many FN friends and family,i think i have a pretty good idea of what is acceptable and what is outright abuse of power,i think if anybody that had been put in the position i was yesterday would have been in their power to question what the FN position was,and treat ing me with the same respect they would hope to be treated with,not just turning things confrontational because it is in their power to do so,i have seen both sides,so i am very aware of it when it happens. SORRY IF I OFTENED ANYONE<THAT WAS NOT WHY I POSTED
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that post is both ignorant and racist
you can't solve problems this way
Quite an ignorant and racist post since most of Seabird Is. is First Nations land.
Nothing he ever said was racist. Would suggest you familiarize yourself with the meaning of that particular hot button word before you throw it out there.
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Racial segregation and profiling has been going on since the beginning of mankind. This issue seems a little bit more about someone losing out on the chance to fish at their favorite spot and pulling some prejudice into the topic.
I don't blame valleydude for expressing his comments. I'm sure a lot of you have thrown some nasty words towards the various user groups now and then. I think the key is to keep that kind of talk off a public forum and only tell it to people you know.
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Nothing he ever said was racist. Would suggest you familiarize yourself with the meaning of that particular hot button word before you throw it out there.
I think you better address your wise advices to him, or maybe best keeping them for yourself
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I think you better address your wise advices to him, or maybe best keeping them for yourself
Perhaps I misunderstood what valleydude said...
Azafai, what did he say that was racist?
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Perhaps I misunderstood what valleydude said...
Azafai, what did he say that was racist?
"i feel some FN are looking to make things conforntational as a means of pitting themselves against the white man"
"they were busy dealing with other white TAX PAYING guys abusing indian land"
Implying race discrimination and the desire for racial confrontation as the reason for not allowing one to fish on First Nations land was probably why some considered the post to be racist. Not saying that it is right or wrong. There could many reasons. Just that personally, I wouldn't have brought up the race issue. If I was on First Nations land or private property and was asked to leave, I would apologize and leave. But that's just me.
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next time bring a six pack o lucky cheapest way to smooth things over ;D ;D
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next time bring a six pack o lucky cheapest way to smooth things over ;D ;D
that is right
I already mentioned one can not solve problems that way. It is their land and by law they can stop you.
and no need to mention race and the tax that he is not paying anyways.
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it has become quite clear that some individuals missed the just of my post,im not racist ,i do pay taxes,the fact that i was only refused access when i questioned why he was taking down plate #s,as other persons came and left of their freewill seemed unfair,yes i understand their right to control land belonging to them and respest that,i dont feel that this was the case,this person seized a chance to go over the top,which left a sour taste in both my fishing partners mouth and my own,if you want me to respect your rights,you might want to respect mine also. THANKS FOR FEEDBACK
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Don't worry about it valleydude. Nothing you said was racist ( I mean you might be one for all that I know, but nothing in your posts was)
Pay little heed to folks that throw out the R word and then ignore a request to engage in discourse about their use of it.
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"the good ol six pack can unlock many doors"
anon saying
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next time bring a six pack o lucky cheapest way to smooth things over ;D ;D
so i guess carpenter assumes that FN are drunks by bringing beer to smooth things over huh' ??? just stay off any private property .the fraser river is a million miles long find another spot. problem solved ;D
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so i guess carpenter assumes that FN are drunks by bringing beer to smooth things over huh' ??? just stay off any private property .the fraser river is a million miles long find another spot. problem solved ;D
No where did I see a reference to FN being drunks. The problem here, on this hot button topic, is that allot of people are making assumptions and then basing their comment on that. The beer could be a peace offerring. Do friends ever bring over a case of beer to your house. Carpenter, you can always bring over some beer to my house. I don't drink it, but i can always stock the fridge for when fishgutz comes over.. Humour aside.... this is a very sensitive political discussion that touches on all our biases. Ignorance comes into play as well. Put these two together and we have explosive dialogue that is offensive to some. I think that Valleydude made it clear enough that he apologized if he offended anyone as that was not his intent. Perhaps he could have used a different set of adjectives. I was there that day, so I know what happened. I do believe that the individual that was recording plate numbers may have been selected for a certain intimidation factor that Valleydude was not happy with. I asked for permission and we both entered without issues after that. I agree with some of the concerns the FN guy had, the garbage and crap people leave behind. I think positive results would have been better achieved had the encounter been more informative then threatening. Peace
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dont give him ,NAVY SEAL any beer,his wife doesnt allow him to drink and play on computer at same.
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"the good ol six pack can unlock many doors"
anon saying
Fishgutz, I'ts people like you that keep racisim alive in a modern world... you are just clueless... He could have said a dozen eggs would that make you happy???? beer seemed like a good idea everyone likes beer.. If you wanna pick a fight go to a bar.
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a batch of fresh cookies
so i guess carpenter assumes that FN are drunks by bringing beer to smooth things over huh' ??? just stay off any private property .the fraser river is a million miles long find another spot. problem solved ;D
So if I brought over a batch of fresh baked goods to someone does that imply they are fat gluttons?
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Does this never end? .... ???
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Does this never end? .... ???
Are you NEW to the Internet? ;D