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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Navy Seal Fisherman on September 07, 2010, 04:54:39 PM
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127676&ID=recreational
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There are so many fish they are going to bring in the seine boats off the Fraser for 50 sets on the 9th and 10th and scoop up maybe another 6 million fish. I am really choked that the recreation limit remains at 2. Who is responsible for that?
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I'd have to agree with you. they are allowing for 4 sockeye to be retained in other areas and are allowing the commercial fishermen multiple harvesting openings. Why not allow every rec fishermen to retain 4 , for a period of time, and then close it as the coho are coming in. I think it comes down to incompetency on the part of DFO, politics, and greasing the palm.
The word I hear, inside source, confirms the Sept 19 rumour. Now why would that not have been published in the fisheries notices? Again I say, I think it comes down to incompetency on the part of DFO, politics, and greasing the palm.
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Difference in daily quotas between salt and freshwater is due to the coast wide recreational allocation quota, 5%. Fishing effort and catches are significantly higher in the non-tidal portion of the Fraser River than other areas. The daily quota therefore is kept at two so all fisheries can remain open for as long as you have been seeing.
The fishery opening remains open until further notice. A closing date has not been announced because there are uncertainties when managing this. Fishery managers would like to keep it open as long as possible if all other requirements are satisfied (eg. total incidental kill of interior coho salmon remains below 3%, total seasonal sockeye catch remains below allocation quota). If a closing date is posted then suddenly it is required to be closed earlier, then it causes complications. That being said, expect to see a fishery notice very soon.
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Geesh greedy people or what!!!!!!!How many fish do you freakinng need?This sick opening has been long enough:(
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Notices are now available and have been posted at:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=24919.msg234948#msg234948
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Geesh greedy people or what!!!!!!!How many fish do you freakinng need?This sick opening has been long enough:(
I need lots.
You shouldn't fish if you're sick.
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Its ok I have not been;)
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Geesh greedy people or what!!!!!!!How many fish do you freakinng need?This sick opening has been long enough:(
I am not sure who you are referring to when saying greedy. I'd be curious to know how many fish you got in your freezer. That said a limit of 4 does not imply any greed. What it does however, is to allow you to catch your quota of fish in fewer visits to the river. It allows you to give an extra few away to friends and relatives. It saves you on gas etc. If you wished to have 12 in the freezer, you could then luckily make only 3 visits instead of 6. ( I kept the math simple)
Poachers however will catch whatever they want, irregardless of the limit. There lies the greed.
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People in general! I have ZERO fish in my freezer,Well thats not true exactly I have guts and parts for crab and sturgeon bait;)As for the four fish,,,fewer trips and save gas go get them from the docks its cheaper and you will have to make no long trips!This is one of the longest opening that flossers have had,so in a month if you went four times that 8 fish (and thats just sockeye) how many do you need?I would not call them all poachers either this is the kind of people that this fishery brings out!People who know or care less as long as they can snag there fish:(
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Get yourself a good boat can handle the Frazer, spend more gas than your car, so you can keep 4 fish.
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Get yourself a good boat can handle the Frazer, spend more gas than your car, so you can keep 4 fish.
Not worth it imo, better off buying them from superstore or where ever..
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4 would have been nice. On best days takes 10 minutes, on worst no more than an hour to get 2, then what, catch & release, bad idea, go home, kinda wanna fish a little longer.
Too bad DFO can have so many commerical/FN openings but can't allow 4 in non-tidal Fraser.
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4 would have been nice. On best days takes 10 minutes, on worst no more than an hour to get 2, then what, catch & release, bad idea, go home, kinda wanna fish a little longer.
Too bad DFO can have so many commerical/FN openings but can't allow 4 in non-tidal Fraser.
Sadly there are a lot of clueless sockeye fishermen that CAN'T get 2 fish in less than 4 hours. If they were to fish for 4 fish, then they'd be out there for 8 hours... More crowding, more heat stroke, more short tempers.
So you catch your 2 fish in 10 minutes... head out to the Chilliwack airport and have a nice burger and a slice of pie before heading back. Gather agates... Make it an outing.
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making sure your fish is on ice in a cooler while you eat and explore :D....unless you have acquired a taste for a very simple recipe of "Homemade Fish Soup in a Garbage Bag" :-X
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Fishing effort and catches are significantly higher in the non-tidal portion of the Fraser River than other areas. The daily quota therefore is kept at two so all fisheries can remain open for as long as you have been seeing.
Fishing effort in the non-tidal is high because it is accessible to everyone who cannot afford a boat for the chuck and consequently arguably the most popular fishery in the province.
In spite of the popularity, I rather doubt that the non-tidal catch is actually much higher than the tidal because there is a large fleet of recreational fishing boats hitting the run all the way from Port Hardy to Steveston and coming back from the strait loaded with their 4 fish limit for each person on board. In addition, even on the best days many fishing the non-tidal are unsuccessful. I checked several bars yesterday and although the fish were very evident in the river, on some bars the success rate was very low.
I used to fish out on the strait and when the Adams River run was in it was very easy to limit. Now I have to drive over four hours round trip to fish the non-tidal river the two fish limit is annoying. I would rather make fewer trips with the result I would spend no more time on the river.
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+1 on lots of clueless sock fishermen. Gonna admit they do make it entertaining with conversations like "You have a fish", 'Are you sure', "Either that or your betty is swimming".
Trip back to Burnaby with all the HWY#1 construction has been a nightmare this year. Did half my normal trips this year to avoid sitting hours in traffic. Longer than a two week opening didn't make any difference for me cause 2 fish wasn't worth it in terms of fun and expense.
Sadly there are a lot of clueless sockeye fishermen that CAN'T get 2 fish in less than 4 hours. If they were to fish for 4 fish, then they'd be out there for 8 hours... More crowding, more heat stroke, more short tempers.
So you catch your 2 fish in 10 minutes... head out to the Chilliwack airport and have a nice burger and a slice of pie before heading back. Gather agates... Make it an outing.
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In respect to four vs two as the daily quota:
Difference in daily quotas between salt and freshwater is due to the coast wide recreational allocation quota, 5%. Fishing effort and catches are significantly higher in the non-tidal portion of the Fraser River than other areas. The daily quota therefore is kept at two so all fisheries can remain open for as long as you have been seeing.
Lets look at some numbers:
Assume 30 locations, 50 fishers per location, three shifts a day, two fish per person, 70% success rate, 40 days of fishing. Total river take is 252,000 fish.
Run is estimated at 34,000,000 fish. 5% is 1,700,000 fish. Since it is stated that catch is higher in the non-tidal assume 70% allocated to non-tidal or 1,190,000 fish.
Add 25% to the take by moving to the four fish limit for the last few days of the season and the take rises to be 315,000 fish.
The commercial boys and girls are worried sick that there will be too many spawners on the beds this year. So there is lots of room for a four fish limit for these last days of the season.
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I dont see the percentage of mortality from being dragged up on the rocks and kicked back into the water?
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There are so many fish they are going to bring in the seine boats off the Fraser for 50 sets on the 9th and 10th and scoop up maybe another 6 million fish. I am really choked that the recreation limit remains at 2. Who is responsible for that?
so did this happen? i could not find a link to the opening you are referring to....
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I dont see the percentage of mortality from being dragged up on the rocks and kicked back into the water?
That's because he also didn't include the percentage of mortality from natural death, death by seals and other predators, death due to injury as a result of escaping from gillnets, and death as a result of natives netting and discarding small sockeye and females due to the lower market value..... :D
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So many whiners !
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so did this happen? i could not find a link to the opening you are referring to....
Yes this happened, and is continuing for an extended period.