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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ynot on September 06, 2010, 06:58:35 AM
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it is reported on ckwx 1130 that sport fishing for sockeye will close 19 sept. where do they get that info from.
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I heard that as well, must come from a DFO site.
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Yeah, it must have lol. ;D ;D ;D
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nobody knows except the panel and they meet tomorrow ,then they wll discuss the pros and cons.
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If you read the last posting from Rod, with regards to the Sockeye opening from DFO there was mention about how they wanted to minimize the catching of Coho in the lower Fraser. I would not be surprised if they shut it down before September 19th.
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Last year, they allowed the bottom bouncers to floss pink all Sept.
How are this years sockeye and last years pink different? Both runs had massive numbers...and both runs came about the same time.
I wouldn't be suprised if Sockeye goes another 10 days or so.
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Now I have to take you up on that one, with regards to the Pink salmon fishing last year. Comparing Pink fishing to Sockeye fishing is like comparing apples to oranges. The big difference is that Pink salmon will bite. Last year I fished in the Peg Leg area, and people were using a number of methods such as flyfishing, jig fishing, spoons or spinners and last but not least bottom bouncing/flossing. From what I could see bottom bouncing was not a productive or effective way to fish for these feisty little salmon. Now compare this to the Sockeye fishery where everyone is flossing and the potential for bycatch of other types of salmon increases. A big difference in the manner of fishing IMHO.
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I have heard many rumors as of late and am not sure which one to believe. Are they closing it today for rec or is that just for commercial. Can anyone please clarify.
Thanks :)
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The last commercial run is today and I have heard that the rec closure will come on Sept 9th (Thursday evening).
It is possible that it may go to Sunday evening though.
We will find out after 4:00pm today with the PSC/DFO announcement.
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yes, so many rumors floating around... was out on the bar yesterday and the rumor was that it was supposed to be closed this morning at 7 a.m. Maybe that was commercial only.
I am assuming we can expect the official word on here when it comes down. Woudln't mind getting two more, since I only got my frist two yesterday, lol...
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Gillnets are done in the river as of 7AM . Seiners and trollers may go longer do to the selective nature of their fishing.
Gett'm well you can boys!!! ;D
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the word in the sports shops is that it closes on the 19th
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anyone have an idea when we will have an official word as to when a specific end date might be?
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anyone have an idea when we will have an official word as to when a specific end date might be?
The Fraser River Panel is meeting today to update the fisheries, you will be able to read the results of that meeting today around 4pm.
Check out this link and watch for the September 7th update.
http://www.psc.org/news_frpnews.htm (http://www.psc.org/news_frpnews.htm)
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anyone have an idea when we will have an official word as to when a specific end date might be?
It must be close... as I just saw a homeless looking fellow riding a bike in North Surrey wearing a sign that read "ThE ENd is nEaR" ;D
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It must be close... as I just saw a homeless looking fellow riding a bike in North Surrey wearing a sign that read "ThE ENd is nEaR" ;D
Was he carrying his bar fishing rod or his flossing rod? ;D
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Looks like things have gone from bad to worse.
In a pathetic move to look concerned for bycatch, they have closed down the gillnet fishery in the Fraser. Now they are opening up the staging area's to the bag fleet. Can you say mayhem?
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Looks like things have gone from bad to worse.
In a pathetic move to look concerned for bycatch, they have closed down the gillnet fishery in the Fraser. Now they are opening up the staging area's to the bag fleet. Can you say mayhem?
I believe it is only the gill netters that will be allowed out there, not the seiners. The gillnetters drift their nets pretty shallow so the coho are probably not going to be effected.
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I believe it is only the gill netters that will be allowed out there, not the seiners. The gillnetters drift their nets pretty shallow so the coho are probably not going to be effected.
My interpretation from the PSC update from today is that it is open to purse seines in water's deeper than 45 meters.
Area 29: Portions of Subareas 29-3, 4 and 6 (seaward of the 45 meter depth contour) open to
Area B purse seine ITQ daily from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. on Thursday, September 9, 2010 and Friday
September 10, 2010.
The PSC has gone on a few times and stated that the bulk of the late-run sockeye are staging off the the mouth of the river. Now that the migration through the Johnstone Straight is nearing completion, it's only natural for PSC to allow them to suck the schools off the mouth. >:(
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no coho in that area ?,i forgot they have revival tanks.
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I'm hoping for the sake of bycatch they don't allow the seiners to ramp the fish and are forced to live brail them. Nothing slows the boats down more than having to brail 1000 salmon into the hold.
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The gillnetters drift their nets pretty shallow so the coho are probably not going to be effected.
Is this just a hunch or do you have anything to back this up? My experience tells me otherwise.
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Hey there , a good crew can brail salmon like you wouldn't believe, I've been a commercial fisherman { now retired and sport only } for 30 plus years and back when we didn't have stern ramps , we brailed all the time, and were very fast at doing it , 1000 fish like nothing.I was down at the dock today talking to some gillnetters and gulf trollers and they all say { DON'T QUOTE ME } the seines will finish up the commercial sockeye fishery with the exception of the trollers who still have about ten days of fishing to do to retain their quotas. Don't be too hard on the commercial guys, their just trying to survive doing what most of them only know what to do. The test vessel for seines, the Belinas has been testing salmon on the west coast { San Juan area from Sherringham Point to Bonilla point} for the past 25 or so years, and the skipper told the DFO that they made one set for 16 thousand pieces of sockeye, but when the tape came out it said , six sets for 16 thousand pieces, the DFO have been fudging numbers for years and finally, we might actually have an investigation about this BS. I just got back from a month of trout fishing and didn't and won't take part in this sockeye fishery, not enjoyable what so ever to me,I think I made the right choice, plus I got half a dozen sockeye as a gift from my buddy so that helps too. All in all it's quite a year regardless, I just hope they let Mother Nature deal with it and we might see this again, never know. The tape says recreational fishing for sockeye is open until further notice in area 29 sub sub sub
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Is this just a hunch or do you have anything to back this up? My experience tells me otherwise.
It's my hunch based on my experience fishing for coho's in the ocean. Why don't you share your experience?
It's a mute point though as I understand the seiners are out there as well.
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Hey Bently,
Is it a provincial requirement to brail your catch with dipnets or can you get licensed to drive the bag up over the stern??
Last time I was on a siene boat was along time ago and I remember them brailing the purse up by taking about 50-100 fish a time then dumping them on the deck?
Also I read the commercial notice http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127662&ID=commercial (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127662&ID=commercial)
Looks like it's an extremely limited fishery which is nice, shows some balls by the PSC.
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BBarley,
The last time I seined was in 2002 and it was mandatory that we brail everything { within reason, 10 fish or less we would just throw the bunt end around the stern and hold on to the breast line until it was aboard. We also had to have a revival tank set up with running water at all times for the by-catch, then report how many ie: coho, chinook, steelhead etc.to fisheries On a personal note, I know of lots of Native boats where the only time the revival tank was used was during the commercial opening , even though they fished for two days prior to the rest of the fleet for their " food fish " lollol. Funny how they'd come to town with a jag and sell every one though ::), while the rest of us did average at best. Sure not like the old days that's for sure.I spent the last 7 and a half years King Crabbing in the Bering Sea, then called it quits, now I tie my fly's for trout and salmon fishing, and spin my pin on the flow, that's fishing for me now ;D.
p.s. Some brailers are bigger than others ;)
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Thanks Bently,
My experience with seine boats is extremely small. I have no problem or grudge against commercial fishermen, and having lived along the Skeena most of my life, I'm well aware of the hoops they have to jump through to get an opening while the natives go to town in the river.
It's nice to have people like you to get info from so I can further refine what I say on here and try not to come over so polarized towards certain things.
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Hey BBarley,
No problem, I must admit , when I was down at the dock today I kind of missed being part of the commercial gang, the smells and camaraderie were there for sure. I guess the sport fishing for sockeye is open until further notice, but if they shut it down tomorrow i wouldn't be upset at all. The true sportsman could enjoy again and the floss gang with the rest of the monkeys could go get all their rod tips fixed :P but I guess most would just wait until next years Canadian Tire sale on rods :D :D :D
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Yeah I hear ya, I'll also be glad when this sockeye madness is over. I've taken a few fish for my folks and a few other friends of the family. I don't really enjoy being part of the gongshow. My time is now going to be spent with my spey rod fishing for the fall salmon. Just keeping my fingers crossed the zoo doesn't relocate to the small local flows when the decision to close down the Fraser is made.... :)
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Todays province says river will close down 11th sept.
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Tidal Fraser fishery openings for the next few months:
FN0794-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Subareas 29-11 to 29-17 Tidal waters of the Fraser River - Management Measures to Interior Fraser River Coho (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127693&ID=recreational)
The following measures will be implemented to protect Interior Fraser River coho and to provide selective opportunities for sockeye, Chinook and chum.
During the critical migration timing for Interior Fraser coho, the recreational community is requested to fish selectively when fishing for sockeye, chinook and chum. The first principle of selective harvest is to avoid catching non-targeted stocks. This means that anglers are requested to use angling methods that do not catch coho.
Effective immediately until 23:59 hours Friday, October 8, 2010:
-You may not fish for coho salmon.
-You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
You may selectively fish for the following species:
- Chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- Chum salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day.
- Sockeye salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day until 23:59 hrs Sunday, September 19, 2010 at which time there will be no fishing for sockeye salmon.
Effective 00:01 hours Saturday, October 9, 2010 to 23:59 hours Friday, December 31, 2010 and as announced in the South Coast Salmon IFMP you may retain:
- coho salmon, the daily limit is two (2) hatchery marked coho
- Chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- Chum salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day.
Note: An "adult chinook" in this area is defined as being over 50 cm except from September 1 to December 31 when an "adult chinook" is defined as being over 62 cm.
Variation Order: 2010-379.
Notes:
The aggregate daily limit for all species of Pacific Salmon (other than kokanee) from tidal and non-tidal waters combined is four (4).
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal waters of British Columbia. This includes all species of fish in the Fraser River.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line at (800) 465-4336.
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Non-Tidal Fraser fishery openings for the next few months:
FN0795-RECREATIONAL - Salmon: Non-tidal waters of the Fraser River in Region 2 - Management Measures to Protect Interior Fraser River Coho (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127697&ID=recreational)
The following measures will be implemented to protect Interior Fraser River coho and to provide selective opportunities for sockeye, chinook and chum.
During this critical migration timing for Interior Fraser coho, the recreational community is requested to fish selectively when fishing for sockeye, chinook and chum. The first principle of selective harvest is to avoid catching non-targeted stocks. This means that anglers are requested to use angling methods that do not catch coho.
Fraser River - in the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River, from the CPR Bridge at Mission, BC upstream to a line drawn between two triangular white boundary signs located on opposite sides of the Fraser River approximately 3 km upstream of the confluence with the Harrison River (downstream of Jesperson's Bar)
The retention of two (2) sockeye salmon per day is currently permitted in this area. Effective one hour after sunset Sunday, September 19, 2010, you may not fish for sockeye salmon.
Effective 00:01 hours Thursday, September 9, 2010 to one hour before sunrise Sunday, October 12, 2010:
- You may not fish for coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
You may selectively fish for the following species:
- chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- chum salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Effective one hour before sunrise Sunday, October 12, 2010 to one hour after sunset Friday, December 31, 2010 and as announced in the South Coast Salmon IFMP you may retain:
- coho salmon, the daily limit is two (2) hatchery marked coho
- chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- chum salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Fraser River - from a line drawn between two triangular white boundary signs located on opposite sides of the Fraser River approximately 3 km upstream of the confluence with the Harrison River (downstream of Jesperson's Bar) upstream to the Highway #1 bridge at Hope
The retention of two (2) sockeye salmon is currently permitted in this area. Effective one hour after sunset Sunday, September 19, 2010 you may not fish for sockeye salmon.
Effective one hour after sunset Sunday, September 19, 2010 until one hour before sunrise Sunday, October 12, 2010, you may not fish for salmon.
Effective one hour before sunrise Sunday, October 12, 2010 to one hour after sunset Friday, December 31, 2010 and as announced in the South Coast Salmon IFMP you may retain:
- coho salmon, the daily limit is two (2) hatchery marked coho
- chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- chum salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Fraser River - from the Highway #1 bridge at Hope to Sawmill Creek
The retention of two (2) sockeye salmon is currently permitted in this area.
Effective one hour after sunset Sunday, September 19, 2010 until one hour before sunrise Sunday, October 17, 2010, you may not fish for salmon.
Effective one hour before sunrise Monday, October 18, 2010 until one hour after sunset, Friday, December 31, 2010 and as announced in the South Coast Salmon IFMP you may retain:
- coho salmon, the daily limit is two (2) hatchery marked coho
- chinook salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may exceed 62 cm.
- chum salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Fraser River - from the confluence with Sawmill Creek to the Alexandra Bridge
The retention of two (2) sockeye salmon is currently permitted in this area.
Effective one hour after sunset Sunday, September 19, 2010 until one hour before 23:59 hours Friday, December 31, 2010, you may not fish for salmon.
Variation Order: 2010-378.
Notes:
The aggregate daily limit for all species of Pacific Salmon (other than kokanee) from tidal and non-tidal waters combined is four (4).
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal waters of British Columbia. This includes all species of fish in the Fraser River.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line at (800) 465-4336.
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Any idea why they split the non-tidal Fraser into 2 zones between Mission and Hope? I don't recall them doing that before...
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alwaysfishn, They have split the area before. We saw the white triangles a few weeks ago and they are not new. I think that the reason for it is to allow for some fisheries on the Vedder and Chehalis coho.
My question is : Are there hatchery coho that go farther up the Fraser? Why else is there a season for hatchery coho above Jesperson?
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Usual measures implemented to protect Thompson and upper Fraser
River coho and to restrict angling methods used.
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How do you selectively fish so that you don't catch coho ? I know - bar fish right ? Uh no coho's do bite on spin n' glos , ok bottom bounce ... wait .. you can catch 'em that way too , so it's fly fish then ? Nope . So I can't think of a method that catches socks or springs but avoids coho .
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Well I hope they will have extra dfo guards at every fishing spot from now till the 19th to make sure all the coho get set free
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Well I hope they will have extra dfo guards at every fishing spot from now till the 19th to make sure all the coho get set free
who cares about the coho theres 30,000 of them. im more worried about the Thompson steelhead, those fish are so special and irreplaceable i dont know what the dfo is thinking allowing fishing to continue
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who cares about the coho theres 30,000 of them. im more worried about the Thompson steelhead, those fish are so special and irreplaceable i dont know what the dfo is thinking allowing fishing to continue
Without smashing your ignorant post, these runs of both steelhead and coho are a mere fraction of what they once were. In order for them to regain the populations levels of past, there needs to special management to reduce the human-induced mortality on route to the spawning grounds.
A "who cares" attitude is a major reason they are in trouble in the first place.
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all those runs are special, but a few flossed and realeased wont make a big difference. most flossed fish are hooked in the side of the mouth and dont bleed to death. its up to us to inform those who have a coho on or steelies to release asap.
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learn to identify and enforced it???