Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: mikeH on August 09, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
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I'm curious what flies have been productive I plan to target them on the Fraser near Chilliwack.using a 9wt sage.
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The fly is tie up for sockeye uses a simple small chartreuse rabbit fur tail, only extend the tail beyond the end of the hook by one hook gap in length. Then use some sparse hot pink crystal chenille to wrap the hook up to the eye, tie off and done.
I find the Mustad R90 size 4 hook to be perfect for sockeye.
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It doesn't matters what you use for a fly....these fish won't be hitting it so the colour is moot.. Sockeye need to be flossedon coloured water like the Fraser. Just make sure it's a good strong hook like the one suggested above. The most important thing is getting down to the fish so be prepared to have several tips that can get you down. I've seen guys on the Skeena and Kitamat Rivers even put a couple of large split shot on their leaders to bottom bounce the run as seen on SPOTF. Hopefully the rocks aren't the type that can damage your flyline. River speed should be about the same as walking speed.
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Hey guy's,
Which bars are more suited to the Fly? ???
Want to find a little space to cast a fly line without giving a gear fisher a new furrey ear ring! ;D
Thanks!
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Hey guy's,
Which bars are more suited to the Fly? ???
Want to find a little space to cast a fly line without giving a gear fisher a new furrey ear ring! ;D
Thanks!
You and me both. I also want to try and find some decent water to use the spey rod, as I will not use my gear rod for sockeye......no fun for me.
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good luck with that guys. Most likely need a boat to be able to get enough space to yourself for a spey especially. I would also love to get out there with the spey rod and get some on the fly.
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The speed of water is key. If you were to throw a piece of wood out into the area you were to fish it should move at walking speed....any faster and it's tough to get down to them. You've got to remember...these fish won't move to your fly...AT ALL! Be prepared to have your tips hitting the rocks until you find the right weight. Obviously better to use built up tips of different length out of T14, etc. as opposed to premade 15' Rio tips that cost about $20 each.
I imagine if you could get yourself out on to Peg Leg you could find lots of room. From what I've heard it won't be crowded since no one can access it unless you boat over across the channel.
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A 18 foot section of T-14 was ticking bottom for me the other day, unfortunately I wasn't able to get my line out to where the sockeye were at the location I was at. Typically sockeye travel close to shore but not at this spot.
I'm hoping some solid hiking will pay off with at least a little bit of room to do some fly casting.
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Such a shame the authorities dont make a 'fly fishing only' spot! :(
Here you with the water speed but with my Teeny T-500 sink tip this is lower down the scale than simply finding somewhere to cast!
Do we go - do we not???? ???
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It doesn't matters what you use for a fly....these fish won't be hitting it so the colour is moot.. Sockeye need to be flossedon coloured water like the Fraser. Just make sure it's a good strong hook like the one suggested above. The most important thing is getting down to the fish so be prepared to have several tips that can get you down. I've seen guys on the Skeena and Kitamat Rivers even put a couple of large split shot on their leaders to bottom bounce the run as seen on SPOTF. Hopefully the rocks aren't the type that can damage your flyline. River speed should be about the same as walking speed.
Socks don't need to be flossed as they will bite a fly and a drifted piece of wool.
I've fly caught them on the clearer waters of the Vedder and also as incidental catch fishing for Summer Vedder springs. Have witnessed the same by other anglers. Have also fly c&r them and pinks on the Fraser in Sept. last year when the water has receded and is much clearer on wool flies of chartreuse,hot pink and any other bright presentation. Tips used ranged from type 6-8 and t-14 dependent on the speed of water fished.
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Socks don't need to be flossed as they will bite a fly and a drifted piece of wool.
I've fly caught them on the clearer waters of the Vedder and also as incidental catch fishing for Summer Vedder springs. Have witnessed the same by other anglers. Have also fly c&r them and pinks on the Fraser in Sept. last year when the water has receded and is much clearer on wool flies of chartreuse,hot pink and any other bright presentation. Tips used ranged from type 6-8 and t-14 dependent on the speed of water fished.
Socks will not take a fly on the Upper Fraser. To catch them with success on that part of the river you need to floss them. They can be caught without being flossed on the Harrison quite easily. I have not fished for them in a few years on the Harrison but when I did I was quite successful.
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Can sockeye be retained on the Harrison
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Can sockeye be retained on the Harrison
Only below the highway bridge.
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If socks don't bite on the upper fraser then why ?????? do guides take clients to fly fish for them and then take pictures of their catch with the fly squarely in the corner of the mouth and publish the pic on their
brochures ? I don't believe that guiding outfits are being dis-genuine. Believe it socks do bite a fly in the upper fraser. Socks travel close to shore in slower shallow clearer water when they aren't harassed by predators / flossers. Socks have very good eye sight ,hence their trademark large eyes, and can see and will take a presented fly in water that seems to us as liimiited visibility.
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I have caught them on the fly in the Thompson and the Fraser by Lillooet.
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If socks don't bite on the upper fraser then why ?????? do guides take clients to fly fish for them and then take pictures of their catch with the fly squarely in the corner of the mouth and publish the pic on their
brochures ? I don't believe that guiding outfits are being dis-genuine. Believe it socks do bite a fly in the upper fraser. Socks travel close to shore in slower shallow clearer water when they aren't harassed by predators / flossers. Socks have very good eye sight ,hence their trademark large eyes, and can see and will take a presented fly in water that seems to us as liimiited visibility.
Not all flossed fish get hooked on the outside of the mouth. If I wanted to take pictures of those fish with hooks in their mouths I could have. Still doesn't mean I didn't feel the fish surging down the leader before setting the hook!
I will agree with fish being hooked by "biters" on some clearer water systems...just don't believe the Fraser falls into that category. If, however, you got hookups in slower water on the retrieve I may become a believer because so far over the last decade or so every sockeye I've hooked on the fly in the Fraser has been on the swing.
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Mastercaster did specify that sockeye need to be flossed in coloured water like the Fraser - and I'd say he's 99.997% correct. Socks do take a fly in clearer water like the Harrison and Vedder. IMHO, two factors come to play. One is water clarity (pretty obvious), and another is that the fish become more aggressive and territorial in their "home" waters. My first sockeye on the fly was in the Harrison in 2003 and it was one of the best fighting fish I can remember. It was a 7 - 8 lb chrome buck that took an egg sucking leech. I'm sure many of you have come across aggressive sockeye on the Vedder - to the point where it was gets tough to get through to the red springs! Not to complain, these are nice fish...
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I have caught them on the fly in the Thompson and the Fraser by Lillooet.
Newsman I tried to email you but the address in your profile does not work. Just wanted a little info about Lillooet if you feel like sharing. Want to get out with the spey or the single hander for some socks......PM me or my email is derekerlandson@live.com. Any info is appreciated.
Derek
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www.anglingbc.com/index.cfm/page/94/Setups.html (http://www.anglingbc.com/index.cfm/page/94/Setups.html)
An article from 2007 by an unamed author. He recounts his successful methods and efforts on the Fraser for socks on the fly. Read further into the article and he reveals some very interesting migratory characteristics on socks as well as other salmonids.
Also his view on the ethics of flossing.
This will be my last post on this thread as I don't want it to turn into the proverbiial " dead horse ". I hope this article gives other fishers the insight on the technique to present a fly to acheive a greater catch % when fly fishing for socks or to those fishers who want to try an alternative to flossing and escape getting sucked into the quicksand of flossing ethics. Socks do bite flies, this author and I have shared the experience of playing a fly caught sockeye and it's tremendous. Those who are interested pm me and I'll gladly help you " hook up"
tight lines
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anybody fly fish for them out in the salt? I am interested in learning about line type, method and fly type out there. I know that we used to use small red hoochies when my dad used to commercial troll out there.