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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fishyfish on August 07, 2010, 10:08:56 PM

Title: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: fishyfish on August 07, 2010, 10:08:56 PM
Do you guys put the B.B on the bottom of a three way swivel or in the middle?
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: canso on August 07, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
 if your talking about the leader saver, with the wire leads then put it on the middle
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: fishyfish on August 07, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
Thank you for the reply Canso. I use to just  tie the main line to the  top of the  three way swivel then I think the Bouncing betty on the bottom and leader on the middle one. Never used wire leader saver. Too cheap.  It has been so long since I have gone and I am getting so old my memory sucks. I think it would make sense to have the leader on the middle part of the three way swivel. Any one else?
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: Jace on August 08, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
On a triple swivel while bb, the weight goes on the bottom, leader middle.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: lovetofish on August 08, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
If you are too cheap to use a wire leader saver, try using a 6 to 10 inch piece of heavier mono off the 3 way swivel and then another barrel swivel before attaching your leader. This way the betty will be hitting on the heavier line instead of your leader.

I am too cheap to buy the wire leader savers also, but I have picked up a bunch at the river over the years, so they are what we use.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: fish007 on August 08, 2010, 01:24:29 PM
What kind of leader are you guys using for sockeye? I use a 25 test mono. I found 15 pound test always tangled after a few cast. Use braided line for leader is better??
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: lovetofish on August 08, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
What kind of leader are you guys using for sockeye? I use a 25 test mono. I found 15 pound test always tangled after a few cast. Use braided line for leader is better??
25lb Wow.  That seems really extreme. We only use 15lb Ultragreen. We used to use 10 or 12 but it is nice to have a little more when a spring comes along.  We use the leader savers and don't really have much problem with tangled leaders. We had more tangles when using just a 3 way swivel.
I have never heard of using braided line for the leader. I think that your leader needs to be the weak point so that if you get a snag, all you lose is your leader. Just my opinion FWIW.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: Fish Slayer on August 08, 2010, 06:25:50 PM
IF I decide to go out I use atleast 30lb mono for a leader and 65lb braid for mainline, sockeye on the Fraser is a meat fishery and nothing else, it's get your fish and go home no sportsmanship there. It aches me to see guys kill their two and then catch and release for the rest of the day or the ones who take their kids and every kid from the neighborhood to keep more.  :'(
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: andychan on August 08, 2010, 06:30:29 PM
IF I decide to go out I use atleast 30lb mono for a leader and 65lb braid for mainline, sockeye on the Fraser is a meat fishery and nothing else, it's get your fish and go home no sportsmanship there. It aches me to see guys kill their two and then catch and release for the rest of the day or the ones who take their kids and every kid from the neighborhood to keep more.  :'(


ironically the guy who stays there after his two socks are caught is actually protecting the numbers of sockeye by not allowing another fisherman to take the spot, who could then kill more.

funny world, eh.

i guess it's all about perspective.

Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: Fish Slayer on August 08, 2010, 06:46:16 PM

ironically the guy who stays there after his two socks are caught is actually protecting the numbers of sockeye by not allowing another fisherman to take the spot, who could then kill more.

funny world, eh.

i guess it's all about perspective.


I guess all the fish hooked in the body or the ones that bleed survive and make it to their sspawning grounds still? I doubt it and I don't think the numbers in that sockeye study are very accurate either.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: lovetofish on August 08, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
IF I decide to go out I use atleast 30lb mono for a leader and 65lb braid for mainline, sockeye on the Fraser is a meat fishery and nothing else, it's get your fish and go home no sportsmanship there. It aches me to see guys kill their two and then catch and release for the rest of the day or the ones who take their kids and every kid from the neighborhood to keep more.  :'(
I find that  if you hit a big snag, it is sometimes quite difficult to even break 15lb leader.Especially if the snag has some give to it.

 We used to take our kids along. They really enjoyed reeling in a salmon. To kids it is a fish and if they get to reel in a salmon sized fish, it is a big deal. Now only our 13 year old son comes along, and he has been catching his own sockeye since he was 10. He is also content to sit with the bar rod or fly fish from the boat or float tube, so he knows that bottom bouncing is not the only way to catch fish.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: Fish Slayer on August 08, 2010, 09:04:23 PM
I find that  if you hit a big snag, it is sometimes quite difficult to even break 15lb leader.Especially if the snag has some give to it.

 We used to take our kids along. They really enjoyed reeling in a salmon. To kids it is a fish and if they get to reel in a salmon sized fish, it is a big deal. Now only our 13 year old son comes along, and he has been catching his own sockeye since he was 10. He is also content to sit with the bar rod or fly fish from the boat or float tube, so he knows that bottom bouncing is not the only way to catch fish.
I usually pull the snag and a treasure of stuff out LOL. The bringing the kids thing I meant as in bringing a ton of kids with just so the adults can kill more fish. They never hand the rod to a kid while a fish is hooked.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: BBarley on August 08, 2010, 09:06:52 PM

ironically the guy who stays there after his two socks are caught is actually protecting the numbers of sockeye by not allowing another fisherman to take the spot, who could then kill more.

funny world, eh.

i guess it's all about perspective.




Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. The only way that would work is if the person fishing was an arrogant *** that couldn't hook up with fish if his life depended on it. Ultimately you have to realize that the run is going to get thinned out and the numbers that make it past the gauntlet are the ones to spread the good stuff, so hopefully everyone will be having the same conversation 4 years from now.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: fish007 on August 08, 2010, 10:14:27 PM
SO what kind of hook are you guys using for Sockeye. I use 4/0. or bigger is better?
Problem is that I never get one. thx for advising
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: lovetofish on August 09, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
I usually pull the snag and a treasure of stuff out LOL. The bringing the kids thing I meant as in bringing a ton of kids with just so the adults can kill more fish. They never hand the rod to a kid while a fish is hooked.
Our kids had to land their own fish.  We probably hooked the fish, but then it was up to them. I still recall one of our daughters, about 12 or 13 at the time trying to control a 19lb spring as we floated down the Fraser. She managed to bvring it to the net :).

I could have used your heavy leaders today as I had 3 fish lost to a snag in the river. LOL
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: carpenter on August 09, 2010, 06:59:03 PM
lovetofish the only thing you probably snagged is some dudes tuff line using such heavy line for sockey is one of the reasons there are so many snaggs .  Playing a fish in the river is fun and challenging so what if you lose a few to snags better than filling the water with 60 lb line cutter everywhere.
Title: Re: Using bouncing betty's
Post by: lovetofish on August 09, 2010, 08:56:29 PM
lovetofish the only thing you probably snagged is some dudes tuff line using such heavy line for sockey is one of the reasons there are so many snaggs .  Playing a fish in the river is fun and challenging so what if you lose a few to snags better than filling the water with 60 lb line cutter everywhere.
Carpenter you are probably right. There is likely to be a stump or something there, and it is just building up with line and gear.
I don't worry about losing a few leaders or fish for that matter. It happens.
 The challenge of landing the fish is all part of the fun. I hope we can hook into a spring or two as it is a lot of fun and a challenge to control the fish and the boat as you are floating downstream trying to avoid shallows and netting the fish.