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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fishfulthinkin on July 20, 2010, 01:22:12 AM
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where are all the fish on the vedder. a friend and I have spent many hours on the vedder the past 2 weeks. about 5+ hours a day working from a few kms up from the bridge and below to peach.. trying things from colarado spinners, other lures, wools, jensen eggs. spin'n'glows. we havent even seen a fish do as much as roll. (although we were fortunate enough to catch 3 pint size trout on the fly..about 4 inches)
I know there arn't many in the river right now. but is anyone having any luck? suggestions for lures that have worked both gear and flies, time of day thats been best? which parts of the vedder are best holding these fish? (i know people have their spots im not asking for specific directions but perhaps a generalized area)
me and my buddy are just trying to get into some fish to start off the season we've deffinantly been putting in the foot work but no luck as of yet! pleaseeee S.O.S
cheers
~thinkin'
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try going down a little lower on the river ::) or even maybe higher on the river LOL dont just keep pounding the same area all the time. You NEED to move around. I was out today for about 5 hrs and i fished 4 runs in total, well i fished parts of each run because there was other guys around LOL ;)
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any suggestion on which part is seeing more action tho? upper or lower? i understand its all about moving and covering ground. which we do. just to no luck... as of yet.
as well it just seems that the reports are limited on the board. just more or less trying to find out if anyone else has seen much action yet.
thanks for the info
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We fished some decent holes mid-river and above Tamahi on Saturday and did not see a fish. Water was clear but no fish moving, no fish rising.
Weather was great but I'd have to say it was a little disappointing.
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the upper seems to be producin the most, not the greatest though, but fish are bein caught, was there on sunday and saw 5 bein played
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and hear i keep hearing the lower is producing best and heard it from several guys that are out there every day ;) and live locally but lest face it the fish move around now dont they
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To a degree, this site is a victim of its own success. We have more than 4000 members now here on fishing with rod...I dont think anyone should really be giving specific locations...even general ie above the tamahi, below the crossing, blah blah blah....fish move, it changes from day to day and if you do post anything specific it will be beaked out the next day.
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Heard a report today that several people were seen fishing ;)at the "limits hole" yesterday. Remember, this area is now permanently closed to protect staging fish.
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Damn what an idiot, must be someone from FWR.
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My exact thoughts, Chromekings
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which is why i wasnt asking for your secret hole. just a side of the river where people have atleast SEEN a fish. i understand that you have to put in the time and footwork. i totally respect that and have a few spots of my own that i dont share but they just havent been producing as of yet. im a local on the sardis side very close to the river so i know how ppl like to have their secrets. sorry if i've offended, just lookin for some tips after seeing nothing after putting in a good 20hrs over the past 2 weeks. feel free to PM if you dont want everyone and their dog getting a wiff of some news.
thanks for any info :)
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yes, it is frustrating to have someone cork in when you're fishing a tight run, especially when you got to that spot nice and early...unfortunately almost all the known holes on the vedder are susceptible to crowding...the sad thing is the lack of consideration and etiquette some people show. i suppose it goes with the territory.
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a buddy and i were out early (4:30am) sunday and fished 3 different holes, he had no luck for salmon, but i caught some decent size trout on a fly, the biggest being about 12 inches. we saw a 2 salmon rise but that was it. he had caught 2 in 11 days before that though.
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Ive had good luck this year wit the red springs in the lower river the tips I can give are ,the fish just started moving in three days ago and in my experience might only last another 5-10 days,location isnt to important any nice looking deeper water, time of day is key evenings are the only time we have caught springs sockey early evening and springs late evening like 830pm.If people dont have advice or an answer to the question asked they should stay off the thread.
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It was...Asian with a FISHINGWITHROD patch on the back of his vest and was using a spinning rod with 80lbs Spiderwire while bottom bouncing with a 4oz betty and a 12ft leader. ;D
I don't understand how his nationality has anything to do with him fishing a section of water? Also if you guys did your homework and checked for in season changes like you should each time before you go fish you would know that it is actually open to fish that area. I just checked the and there is no note of it being closed.
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thanks for the tips RBTW, see thats all i was looking for, no spots given, no secret holes to be raped as of tomorrow. just some knowledge of whats going on and if anything has been working
cheers man!
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i am 0 for 7 with springs because. then they spat the hook >:(
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ChromeKings it's hard to tell that you're asian as well unless it's something I have just overlooked or it's because I haven't seen any pics you have posted.
Back on track here, I haven't been skunked yet since the river has opened, been out 7 times now
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Just to clarify, my previous post was not a response to Dave's report on people fishing outside the boundary.
Anyway, I was looking through my files on the new boundary being in effect after Fish Slayer mentioned that there are no notices of it being closed. I couldn't find any but seem to recall that the boundary change and limit hole closure is now permanent. This morning I enquired and it is indeed closed permanently but that closure information does not seem to be available anywhere. A fishery notice will come out this week to address that problem and notify anglers that it is indeed closed. If you are up that way, please let others who are fishing in that area know.
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if Fish Slayer did his "homework" like he says he did he would have gone up there and seen numerous NO FISHING signs. I saw the signs opening day and called in to check on the regs. It is closed as Rod says.
Homework Grade: F- ;)
Seriously. Try and be a little more polite when making comments on these sites. The holier than thou attitude is getting old. We are all on this site to share information, tips and stories about our favorite sport. A joke is a joke but comments like this....
"Also if you guys did your homework and checked for in season changes like you should each time before you go fish you would know that it is actually open to fish that area."
....take on a sour tone and provide false information. The same point could have been made without talking down to other members on this site.
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Good stuff Rodney. Because Fishery Officers have their hands full on the Fraser, Chilliwack Hatchery staff are checking this site when they have the time and warning anglers of the closure. One of the problems is the signage is quite high in the trees - not at eye level. Apparently those more visible signs were vandalised early on.
Looking forward to seeing the official notice as this necessary legislation was a tough sell to angling advocacy groups and DFO's recreational fishing managers.
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Spiznack as Rodney said the notice was not put out, so if I did actually fish limit and had gotten a ticket it wouldn't be too hard to get out of paying the fine. I wasn't talking down either and sure wasn't dishing out a houlier than thou speech either. It wouldn't be too hard to make up some fake postings and staple it to some trees, without an actual legal notice it means nothing so I did not provide false information as you accused me of doing.
Now I'm saying this in a calm voice: you should practice what you just preached to me and not talk down to people as it does get old real fast and is rather childish. :P ;)
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The upper boundary description has been adjusted now in the freshwater salmon regulations:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm
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The fishing boundry triangles are also clearly moved down stream visable from all angles
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So what is the reason for closing limit hole?
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21251.0
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So what is the reason for closing limit hole?
pretty much to protect the reds that are stacking in there so they can get there brood stock.
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pretty much to protect the reds that are stacking in there so they can get there brood stock.
I still have to read the thread that Rodney posted a link to (lol so much to read) but why doesn't the hatchery just net limit hole for brood or have brood anglers like they do for steelhead?
Will the closure be lifted in sept like they did last year?
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No. This is a permanent closure. Seine netting that pool would be impossible and is not necessary. Better to let the fish migrate upstream naturally when they are ready.
Apart from the questionable angling methods that seem so prevalent at this particular area, there is perhaps a more compelling reason why fish tend to spend more time than normal in this pool, therefore more susceptible to anglers and why this area should be closed to anglers. This is where Slesse Creek and the Chilliwack River meet. The water chemistry from each system is quite different and could be confusing to these stressed, sexually hormone charged, soon to die but must spawn fish.
DFO’s Cultus Lake Laboratory analysed water samples submitted last September – alkalinity (measured as mg CaCO3/L) in Slesse Creek was nearly twice that of the Chilliwack; 65.4 vs 38.3. pH in Slesse was 7.47, the Chilliwack 7.24.
These are reasonable enough numbers but when suddenly mixed together along with the water effluent (feces, urine, pheromones, hatchery by products, etc) from rearing several million juvenile coho, chinook, and steelhead from the Chilliwack River hatchery that flows into Slesse Creek and is mixed into this soup I think it would be best for these fish to be left alone to, stage.
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Dave (seems like you work at the hatchery? lol) are the red springs not a run that was introduced to the river?
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No, retired from DFO and yes, the summer reds are introduced and doing poorly. There is no appreciable wild production from this stock and the returns from release numbers are dismal.
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So why doesn't the hatchery do the American thing and just pump out a ton of reds each year if the returns are so dismal? I think the system is big enough to support a lot more fish than what actually returns to it through the year.
I still don't see the point of closing limit hole it would be way easier to just net it for brood. It's not because of angler ethics (what little is actually left) otherwise almost every river or stream in BC would be shut down entirely.
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Fish Slayer, there is no money or desire from DFO to enhance this stock and IMO, that's a good thing. This particular hatchery stock of chinooks is a combination of interior river fish (Bowron, Finn, Chilko, Slim Creek, perhaps more). This broodstock was and still is genetically adapted to swim the Fraser up to 500km, find their home stream, spawn, incubate eggs at very low temperatures, then rear in the natal stream or main stem Fraser for up to 2 years.
The problem here on the C is these fish spawn around the end of August in a climate and water that has a totally different temperature profile than the fish are adapted to. Because of warm summer and early fall river temperatures, temperature units (the measurement that determines hatching rates), accumulate quickly. When these alevins emerge from the gravel in the early, early spring, water temperatures are down and food is scarce. The possibly/probably extinct indigenous red chinook population historically spawned about a month later, and through many generations, adapted to this environment.
This pool closure is to ensure what salmon do make it this far are afforded the protection and respect they deserve. And yes, it is about angler ethics. This closure and my post would not be necessary if that respect had been shown previously.
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I would rather see the river pumped full of steelies rather then springs ;) if you wanna guarantee getting springs then just wait for the whites. there is tons of them and they average alot larger in size as well