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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: MrGrey1 on May 27, 2010, 09:44:33 AM
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Saving Salmon Stocks.
I just watch a news clip on channel 26 CBC News. Newly created National Park in Nova Scotia plans to temporally close this park and allow kill of 100.000 seals with rifles equipped with silencers. These guns will be imported from US so they do not frighten other seals with noise. After this is completed annual kill of thousands of seals will continue for several years. Seals will be then shot with bullets containing medicine for sterilization to females. Not sure if this video clip is posted yet, but here is a previous or similar link:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/05/27/ns-grey-seals-sable-island.html
How about our seals in the straights or in the mouth of the mighty Fraser river? I've seen a few big colonies of them ther too. They kill many salmon going up to river as well..? Any thouts on this?
MrGrey1
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yet i've read other research )sorry i dont have the papers with me atm) that state seal damage to fish stocks is over-rated and used as an escape goat for over fishing and the such...
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I'm surely no expert but if we have 1 million seals along the BC coast & even if they ate 1 salmon per week (as seal eat a variety of things I assume) well the math then would be minus 1 million salmon weekly. ??? ??? ???
(remember someone said the est. are aprox. 700,000 seals in BC. thus 700,00 salmon gone wkly. ---no small amount.)
In SK the gov. put a bounty on coyotes ($20 per) & so far over 70,000 have been killed. Over-populated.
(Mind ya possibly some hunters are killing coyotes in Manitoba & Alberta then bringing them into SK to collect the $20. Give them to their Sk. relative.)
I hate to see anything killed so I definately will not be the one doing it SHOULD ONE DAY there is a seal kill.
But don't the Orcas & other whales also need seals as part of their diet ????? Food chain.
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This is a good opportunity to put up the list of evil species that we need to selectively cull.
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Marlin
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon. How dare these creatures threaten our beloved salmon. ::)
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Rodney - You forgot one... Homo Sapiens ::)
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This is a good opportunity to put up the list of evil species that we need to selectively cull.
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Marlin
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon. How dare these creatures threaten our beloved salmon. ::)
2 blacks and a grizz down last weekend, were doing our part are you? :P
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Homo sapiens is the one that should be culled, 500,000 a month would be a good start.
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If the seals were always the culprits then salmon should already be extinct.
to kill off one species so we can have more of another, super intelligent!! Great idea!
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Saving Salmon Stocks.
I just watch a news clip on channel 26 CBC News. Newly created National Park in Nova Scotia plans to temporally close this park and allow kill of 100.000 seals with rifles equipped with silencers. These guns will be imported from US so they do not frighten other seals with noise. After this is completed annual kill of thousands of seals will continue for several years. Seals will be then shot with bullets containing medicine for sterilization to females. Not sure if this video clip is posted yet, but here is a previous or similar link:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/05/27/ns-grey-seals-sable-island.html
How about our seals in the straights or in the mouth of the mighty Fraser river? I've seen a few big colonies of them ther too. They kill many salmon going up to river as well..? Any thouts on this?
MrGrey1
No matter where seals live in Canada we need to kill a lot more then we do. Seals are hopelessly overpopulated, but try to make that clear to the animal rights and eco terrorists. They effectively managed to bully the European Union in boycotting Canada products that contain seal. I hope our government is not bowing down to that crap and if they have to order seals be culled and left to rot if it has to be.
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If the seals were always the culprits then salmon should already be extinct.
to kill off one species so we can have more of another, super intelligent!! Great idea!
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It's not about "killing off" anything. It's about wildlife management and making sure their is a balance. As it stands with the seals they have outgrown the carrying capacity of their habitat and need to be culled.
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It's not about "killing off" anything. It's about wildlife management and making sure their is a balance. As it stands with the seals they have outgrown the carrying capacity of their habitat and need to be culled.
It's humans that threw it out of balance.
I can only consider killing seals justified if we were to eat their meat. Adopt the Eskimos' diet and live off the land. Don't let any of it go to waste. (Let's not be so picky about our food, while relying almost entirely on inhumanely factory farmed meats.)
And no killing the young or mothers with young. I believe that goes against the hunters' code.
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Huntwriter is totally right most of Canada's wild life was killed off in the early 1900's and has since been managed by man. Deer, bear ,sheep, fish,and seals have been relocated, bred ,and selectively harvested the seal is one that has been protected over the years and any culling would just be a wildlife management issue not ethical.
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It's humans that threw it out of balance.
I can only consider killing seals justified if we were to eat their meat. Adopt the Eskimos' diet and live off the land. Don't let any of it go to waste. (Let's not be so picky about our food, while relying almost entirely on inhumanely factory farmed meats.)
There are times when wildlife has to be drastically managed regardless if the meat is used or not. Such drastic management can be carried out by hunters or hired sharp shooters but it has to be done one way or another should a healthy balance be maintained.
And no killing the young or mothers with young. I believe that goes against the hunters' code.
Ethics are a man made standards and always have been subject to interpretation. In wildlife management things are a little different in that ethics and warm-fuzzy feelings are of little value. If the management plan is to keep a given game population stable or let it grow then males are targeted. If on the other hand the management plan is to reduce a population that has outgrown the carrying capacity then females and young need to be culled. Just killing males has not much of an impact on the population numbers. Males can and do mate with many females. To reduce a population females need to be culled and that sometimes involves killing young animals too. It's like in Region 3 where we will have a doe season to lower the whitetail deer population. in some American states where deer are hopelessly overpopulated we have instituted fawn season too to reduce the deer population fast back to carrying capacity.
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Huntwriter you are quick to label people eco-terrorists or animal rights activists for having views that differ from your own.
I have no problem advocating culling if it is necessary to "save" salmon stocks... however, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of killing a pile of seals just because they are "the competition" and then selling it under the "wildlife management" euphamism.
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I'd be wondering a few things before I'd back a cull.
First, what were the traditional populations of seals/sea lions before humans began to harvest them or their food? Were there more of them back then than now, or less? Only if less then could you move on to other factors like whether the large population of seals is just a natural population fluctuation or if it is actually abnormally high because of humans. Will it eventually correct itself naturally?
Calling for a cull based on an opinion or first hand (localized) experiences is a nearsighted way of thinking (remember wolves in Yellowstone park). All most of you know for fact is that seals eat salmon. You don't have any population estimates of your own, any knowledge of the carrying capacity to compare it to, you don't have historic populations, you don't know that actual correlation between seal population and salmon population. Basically there are a lot of unknowns that need to become knowns before you can start taking drastic measures like a cull.
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Huntwriter you are quick to label people eco-terrorists or animal rights activists for having views that differ from your own.
I am not quick to label people. The FBI has done that for me. The organizations, like PETA, the HSUS and See Shepard among others, that lobbied the European Union to boycott Canada exports are considered "terrorists" by the FBI, and for good reason because they are supporting politically and financially terrorist gangs like the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) and others. Google "animal rights terrorism" or "eco-terrorism" and see what turns up. ;)
I have no problem advocating culling if it is necessary to "save" salmon stocks... however, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of killing a pile of seals just because they are "the competition" and then selling it under the "wildlife management" euphamism.
It's not just about salmon or because seals are some kind of competition. It's about seal populations having dangerously outgrown their habitats carrying capacity. In other words and simplified for the layman. With a conservative estimation of 9.5 million seals (2007 estimate) the bucket is overflowing not just dripping.
Wildlife management here in Canada, and America for that matter, is not a euphemism, but a system that is admired and copied by many other countries around the world. It is because of Canada's unique wildlife management involving hunters that species such as the elk, mule deer, sheep, turkey, waterfowl, black and grizzly bears to name a few have rebound from the brink of extinction to numbers never seen before in recorded history. One small Example: How many of you know that in the 50's waterfowl was almost non existent in North America? Now look at it, millions of ducks and geese are back in Canada and the USA, more than anywhere else in the world. Wildlife management is not a euphemism it is realty and works for the befit of all.
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This is a good opportunity to put up the list of evil species that we need to selectively cull.
Northern pikeminnow
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon. How dare these creatures threaten our beloved salmon. ::)
$2 each. ::)
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I'd be wondering a few things before I'd back a cull.
First, what were the traditional populations of seals/sea lions before humans began to harvest them or their food? Were there more of them back then than now, or less? Only if less then could you move on to other factors like whether the large population of seals is just a natural population fluctuation or if it is actually abnormally high because of humans. Will it eventually correct itself naturally?
Calling for a cull based on an opinion or first hand (localized) experiences is a nearsighted way of thinking (remember wolves in Yellowstone park). All most of you know for fact is that seals eat salmon. You don't have any population estimates of your own, any knowledge of the carrying capacity to compare it to, you don't have historic populations, you don't know that actual correlation between seal population and salmon population. Basically there are a lot of unknowns that need to become knowns before you can start taking drastic measures like a cull.
Seals have never been "counted" before the 70's so we have no accurate figures before then. Before and right up to the 70's seal populations worldwide went down due to commercial hunting activity. Same as most game species before sound wildlife management was introduced. The first estimate from the 70's, according to my papers, was around 2.5 million.
Since then the population has reached 9.5 million. The catch in 2008 here in Canada was 234,000 seals, that is not even a drop of water on a hot stone. The reason seal kill numbers dropped is because there is barely a market for seal products thanks to animal rights and armchair biologists voicing their uneducated opinions in public, selling it as researched facts for financial and political agenda gains. There are a lot of known facts from biologists who studied seals and the situation we're in. As an animal behaviourist I can tell you from my field of expertise that when animals start to become extremely intolerant of each other and begin to kill each other and their offspring then that is a sign of stress which is the result over population. The lack of food, space and shelter makes the animals aggressive, a bit like big city people trampling on each others feet. What you have in this situation is a population that has outgrown its habitat. There is no room and there is no food. What is there so difficult to understand?
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HW, come on.... let's not pretend that people have the seals OR salmons best interest in mind when it comes to a cull. Fish = money. Seals get in the way of $, so they die. It's OK by me because people have to eat, I'm saying let's not sugar coat it.
Wildlife management is and has always been done for the benefit of the people using the resource. Ever notice what happens to species that are not on the radar for human use? This is what I am getting at when I call it a euphamism.
This isn't to say that wildlife management in earnest is a bad thing, only that the seal cull is more about resource protection and $$$ than wildlife management. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make.
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HW, come on.... let's not pretend that people have the seals OR salmons best interest in mind when it comes to a cull. Fish = money. Seals get in the way of $, so they die. It's OK by me because people have to eat, I'm saying let's not sugar coat it.
Wildlife management is and has always been done for the benefit of the people using the resource. Ever notice what happens to species that are not on the radar for human use? This is what I am getting at when I call it a euphamism.
This isn't to say that wildlife management in earnest is a bad thing, only that the seal cull is more about resource protection and $$$ than wildlife management. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make.
If you want to look at it that way be my guest, but that does not change the fact that the seals trample on each others feet and nerves because they run out of space.
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HW, come on.... let's not pretend that people have the seals OR salmons best interest in mind when it comes to a cull. Fish = money. Seals get in the way of $, so they die. It's OK by me because people have to eat, I'm saying let's not sugar coat it.
So let's not be picky eaters and eat the seals too. Don't let their flesh go to waste.
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This is a good opportunity to put up the list of evil species that we need to selectively cull.
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Marlin
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon. How dare these creatures threaten our beloved salmon. ::)
Of the animals on the list you posted Rod, are anyone of them apart from seals as efficient in massing together and hanging around dams so they can easily pick off salmon?
I've never seen a marlin or squid or killer whale or even Orca in the Capilano or Squamish or Vedder zipping around and corralling salmon in.
Should we not ask at whether seals have recently been taking an disproportionally large number of salmon vs their traditional counterparts.
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So let's not be picky eaters and eat the seals too. Don't let their flesh go to waste.
yum!
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So let's not be picky eaters and eat the seals too. Don't let their flesh go to waste.
mmmmm... smoked seal meat!! I wonder if it tastes like chicken? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you want to look at it that way be my guest, but that does not change the fact that the seals trample on each others feet and nerves because they run out of space.
Curious where you have seen this? I've been up and down the island and sunshine coast a number of times and haven't seen too many colonies where this happens. Not debating whether it happens or not, just curious as to where specifically they are engaging in this behavior.
If seals have established large populations at pinch points for returning salmon, I DO agree, as long as they are a threat to salmon stock survival in a given system, it's time for a cull. Coastwide though... I'm skeptical of both necessity and effectiveness.
cheers.
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Agree with Andy Chan where he asks the question....are seals over-populated & eating TOO MUCH SALMON ???
With the bounty in SK on coyotes (70,000 killed as they were over-populated & attacking kids dogs sheep cows etc...) they are now greatly reduced THUS wouldn't it make sense that deer rabbits grouse etc...will build up their numbers in that province.
70,000 less coyotes looking for their daily meal means alot of other animals are not not the menu.
Say if 200,000 seals would be killed in southern BC waters I'd think alot more salmon would get to live.....& spawn.
Mind ya did see on yesterday's tv news that Orcas do eat harbour seals SO if we were to kill too many would it have an effect on the Orcas ???
One has to find a balance & there's no room for mistakes........................... :o :o :o (kill too many maybe the Orcas will not find enough chinooks ...& with less seals...the Orca may starve off.)
As controlling the over-population of the human race ...well it may be coming if the scripture (New Test.)is correct as it tells of 1/3 of the birds of the air 1/3 of the things in the sea & 1/3 of the things on the land will be destroyed...only nuclear bombs could do that !!!! :o
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Agree with Andy Chan where he asks the question....are seals over-populated & eating TOO MUCH SALMON ???
With the bounty in SK on coyotes (70,000 killed as they were over-populated & attacking kids dogs sheep cows etc...) they are now greatly reduced THUS wouldn't it make sense that deer rabbits grouse etc...will build up their numbers in that province.
70,000 less coyotes looking for their daily meal means alot of other animals are not not the menu.
Say if 200,000 seals would be killed in southern BC waters I'd think alot more salmon would get to live.....& spawn.
Mind ya did see on yesterday's tv news that Orcas do eat harbour seals SO if we were to kill too many would it have an effect on the Orcas ???
One has to find a balance & there's no room for mistakes........................... :o :o :o (kill too many maybe the Orcas will not find enough chinooks ...& with less seals...the Orca may starve off.)
As controlling the over-population of the human race ...well it may be coming if the scripture (New Test.)is correct as it tells of 1/3 of the birds of the air 1/3 of the things in the sea & 1/3 of the things on the land will be destroyed...only nuclear bombs could do that !!!! :o
this is the joke of it all though. We sit here trying to balance out seals/orcas/salmon etc. when all the while the biggest threat to any of them is human consumption (not to mention habitat destruction). Anyone who cannot see that is blind. Salmon, seals, and orca would all be doing just fine without people messing things up. Populations keep themselves in check naturally. The problem is that we've created an unnatural ecosystem on a global level.
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I think mother nature knows better the we do how do make her own natural corrections :)
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Curious where you have seen this? I've been up and down the island and sunshine coast a number of times and haven't seen too many colonies where this happens.
I am not talking about the few and far between seals on the island, the sunshine coast or even in Vancouver. I am talking about the traditional seal territories way up north in Nunavut, Quebec, Alaska, Siberia and Newfoundland. Where you can see hundreds of thousands packed together like the sardines.
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Ive seen this behavior on the vedder seal herding salmon,make for tough fishing the next couple hours,and of source we have to conserve salmon,deer,grouse,water foul,these are are plentiful healthy food sources for humans have you tried seal meat it tastes like a fishy deer.Wildlife management runs deep here iin chilliwack every year volunteers watch to make sure an endangered frog can cross the road up rider lake and the regional district battle invasive plant species while protecting endangered species like the west coast giant newt and many others. like the fallow deer cull on the island its part and parcel with management.
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2 blacks and a grizz down last weekend, were doing our part are you? :P
you deserve a special kind of slow clap. shame theres not a thumbs down button seeing as how bears make shitty eating anyways. whats the point of shooting a grizzly? make a nice rug for you?
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... whats the point of shooting a grizzly? make a nice rug for you?
To make sure that there are not to many. Like all other wildlife grizzlies need to be controlled. Despite what you may hear from the media. Grizzly bears are far from an endangered species. The government releases each year a small number of tags for grizzly bears. If you think that is bad then I have you know that the deadliest places for grizzly bear are Banff and Jasper National Park where each year grizzly bears get shot because they become to friendly with people. Grizzlies given a chance will eat people in a heart beat.
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To make sure that there are not to many. Like all other wildlife grizzlies need to be controlled. Despite what you may hear from the media. Grizzly bears are far from an endangered species. The government releases each year a small number of tags for grizzly bears. If you think that is bad then I have you know that the deadliest places for grizzly bear are Banff and Jasper National Park where each year grizzly bears get shot because they become to friendly with people. Grizzlies given a chance will eat people in a heart beat.
Did you know that the grizzlies' range used to extend all the way to Mexico?
As you're probably well aware, it's much, much smaller than that now.
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you deserve a special kind of slow clap. shame theres not a thumbs down button seeing as how bears make shitty eating anyways. whats the point of shooting a grizzly? make a nice rug for you?
Does the Chinese black market for bear bile and paws also have something to do with it?
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Does the Chinese black market for bear bile and paws also have something to do with it?
That's a pretty serious accusation!
You have no idea of the difference between a low life poacher and a hunter. I would suggest that 99% of the hunters in BC care more about the wildlife than most tree huggers!
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Did you know that the grizzlies' range used to extend all the way to Mexico?
As you're probably well aware, it's much, much smaller than that now.
I am not talking about the North America grizzly bear range. I am talking about BC and fact is that we have more grizzly bears here than at any time before in recorded history. In fact there are grizzly bears where they have never been seen before, places like between Kelowna and Merritt and the Lower Mainland.
Of course the overall grizzly bear range is much smaller than it used to be, because there more people and more agriculture than 100 years ago. The last thing you want is grizzly bears living anywhere near humans dwellings. Grizzlies are at the top of the natural food chain, meaning they have no inherent respect of anything because all they encounter in the wild is edible. Hunting grizzlies as a side benefit also teaches these animals to stay away from humans.
How did we come from seals to bears?
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That's a pretty serious accusation!
You have no idea of the difference between a low life poacher and a hunter. I would suggest that 99% of the hunters in BC care more about the wildlife than most tree huggers!
Sorry. Not an accusation, but just a question.
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HW, i'm wondering if you're in favor of a seal cull because of the impact they're having on salmon stocks, or the fact that it's a cull, period.
If you're that concerned about effects seals are having on salmon stocks (I don't you are) then you should be equally passionate about effects from salmon farms, gravel removal and human over harvesting.... are you equally concerned about those factors harming salmon as you are trying to control seal populations?
I haven't heard the same passion from you on known factors that are hurting salmon stocks such as fish farms, etc, but why so passionate about a seal cull that may or not make a difference.
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sorry* (I dont know you are)
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Of the animals on the list you posted Rod, are anyone of them apart from seals as efficient in massing together and hanging around dams so they can easily pick off salmon?
I've never seen a marlin or squid or killer whale or even Orca in the Capilano or Squamish or Vedder zipping around and corralling salmon in.
Should we not ask at whether seals have recently been taking an disproportionally large number of salmon vs their traditional counterparts.
No they all have their own effective means of 'picking off salmon'. Just because you dont see an Orca in the "vedder zipping around and coralling salmon in' doesnt mean they are not effective hunters... An Orca eats around 500lbs of food each day, majority of which can be salmon...The point is, they are all effective hunters. If they were not they wouldnt surivive.
For the most part I do not like these environmental management culls. Humans played a part in creating these imbalances in the first place and it is always a lot more involved than we lead on, this isnt just about salmon and seals. There are endless other species involved in this game and directly effected by the population of these species.
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HW, i'm wondering if you're in favor of a seal cull because of the impact they're having on salmon stocks, or the fact that it's a cull, period.
If you're that concerned about effects seals are having on salmon stocks (I don't you are) then you should be equally passionate about effects from salmon farms, gravel removal and human over harvesting.... are you equally concerned about those factors harming salmon as you are trying to control seal populations?
I haven't heard the same passion from you on known factors that are hurting salmon stocks such as fish farms, etc, but why so passionate about a seal cull that may or not make a difference.
I don't care about salmon. Personally I think that seals do not have a huge impact on salmon, but I am not 100% certain because I have not looked into it.
What I care about is natural balance an in the case of seals that balance is way off kilter. Look at habitat like a bucket, if the water in it overflows then it exceeded the carrying capacity of the bucket. It's the same in nature. If a certain animal species population, in this case seals, becomes that numerous that it outgrows the carrying capacity of their particular habitat then we need to reduce the population until a balance is established. If we do nothing then it will affect the animal species, their habitat, and other animals that compete for the same food source adversely.
I really do not know why some people find this so hard to understand.
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it outgrows the carrying capacity of their particular habitat
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This is why I prefer chuckling at lobbyists than arguing with them.
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I don't care about salmon. Personally I think that seals do not have a huge impact on salmon, but I am not 100% certain because I have not looked into it.
What I care about is natural balance an in the case of seals that balance is way off kilter. Look at habitat like a bucket, if the water in it overflows then it exceeded the carrying capacity of the bucket. It's the same in nature. If a certain animal species population, in this case seals, becomes that numerous that it outgrows the carrying capacity of their particular habitat then we need to reduce the population until a balance is established. If we do nothing then it will affect the animal species, their habitat, and other animals that compete for the same food source adversely.
I really do not know why some people find this so hard to understand.
it sounds like you're spewing a lot of personal thoughts instead of fact. thanks for the laugh.
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I don't care about salmon. Personally I think that seals do not have a huge impact on salmon, but I am not 100% certain because I have not looked into it.
What I care about is natural balance an in the case of seals that balance is way off kilter. Look at habitat like a bucket, if the water in it overflows then it exceeded the carrying capacity of the bucket. It's the same in nature. If a certain animal species population, in this case seals, becomes that numerous that it outgrows the carrying capacity of their particular habitat then we need to reduce the population until a balance is established. If we do nothing then it will affect the animal species, their habitat, and other animals that compete for the same food source adversely.
I really do not know why some people find this so hard to understand.
Nature has drawn a balance and taken care of it for millions of years before man's interference.
Who's to say humans are the most suited to play god, given their track record with the environment?
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Well if you lot find my explanations something to chuckle or laugh about I suggest you look up Valerius Geist and other equally reputable biologist and read what they have to say about seal overpopulation and how it affects habitat. After all who I am with my degree in zoology and animal beaviour study.
I am done with this.
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I am not talking about the few and far between seals on the island, the sunshine coast or even in Vancouver. I am talking about the traditional seal territories way up north in Nunavut, Quebec, Alaska, Siberia and Newfoundland. Where you can see hundreds of thousands packed together like the sardines.
so why this ???
"No matter where seals live in Canada we need to kill a lot more then we do"
So do tell, why do we need to kill a lot more seals in Canada ***no matter where they live*** (your words) if the only overpopulated colonies are in traditional seal territories? There's this little thing called consistency, it helps if you are trying to make a point.
Further, natural populations keep themselves in check, especially in relatively isolated (from human impact) areas like nunavut. I'd fully expect a sudden drop in population if seals were truly overpopulated. Disease, lack of food, lack of space, aggression towards young would take its toll. Wild populations go up and down, it's the way it has always been. I'm sure you learned that during your degree...also, I'm sure during your zoology courses they never brought up "culling" as a natural solution to population control. Wasn't aware you could get a zoology degree...you must have your masters or did you mean your major was zoology? In any case, very interesting stuff to study and I'm somewhat envious...always wanted to get more into it in university than I did.
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I believe there is no such thing as overpopulation of one species in the animal kingdom.
Nature has ways of making sure no species dominates an ecosystem.
Except humans.
If any population needs to be controlled, it's the human population.
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you deserve a special kind of slow clap. shame theres not a thumbs down button seeing as how bears make shitty eating anyways. whats the point of shooting a grizzly? make a nice rug for you?
spring bears eat grass and are great eating...
and if you dont like people shooting grizz i really dont care, its legal and the populations can easily handle the amount of tags allocated...and if you still disagree then we must agree to disagree.
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Rodney you forgot one....
Man
:)
Nicole
This is a good opportunity to put up the list of evil species that we need to selectively cull.
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Marlin
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon. How dare these creatures threaten our beloved salmon. ::)
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Rodney you also forgot BASS lol
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I believe there is no such thing as overpopulation of one species in the animal kingdom.
Nature has ways of making sure no species dominates an ecosystem.
Except humans.
If any population needs to be controlled, it's the human population.
It is our own greed from the past we are paying for now. I don't think seals are the problem, at one time there was plenty of fish to go around. Due to years of over fishing, poor regulation and conservation we are in this situation now i think the seal is the scape goat of the sea. Next time you see a seal doing what they have NATRUALLY done since there were seals and fish call 1-877-952-7277 or #7277 from your cellular ;)