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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: alwaysfishn on May 07, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
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Here's your opportunity to tell everyone how you really feel.... ;D
While your at it you can participate in this poll as well:
http://www.cknw.com/ (http://www.cknw.com/)
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I supported his sorry a$$ the last two elections but after all the crap he and his cronies have pulled on us in this latest episode I am DONE!!!! I wont vote NDP just on principle as I can't stand Carole James.
I have always voted Liberal. Unless Campbell steps down or is forced out I wont be voting Liberal for the first time in my life
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Rumor has it that Carol Taylor will be the new NDP leader....
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It doesn't matter who leads the NDP, they're too entrenched with the unions to be an option for many of the electorate.
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Gordo should quit now that he's got his Olympic legacy.
I suppose a smart Liberal Party strategy would be to keep him on to take the blame for the HST and whatever other bad news the government has to deliver over the next couple of years, and then strategically replace him with a new leader with a clean slate in time for the next election.
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Gordo should quit now that he's got his Olympic legacy.
I suppose a smart Liberal Party strategy would be to keep him on to take the blame for the HST and whatever other bad news the government has to deliver over the next couple of years, and then strategically replace him with a new leader with a clean slate in time for the next election.
this is exactly what they are/will be doing....holmes*
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The Conservative Party is going to be making big strides in this province. Just you wait and see. I am more Liberal than Conservative but if Campbell is in power I would vote Conservative
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The Conservative Party is going to be making big strides in this province. Just you wait and see. I am more Liberal than Conservative but if Campbell is in power I would vote Conservative
Why vote conservative? All cons want to do is sell province resources off to the highest private bidders. The list is so barfing long - everything from allowing fish farms destroy wild runs to selling off liquor stores to selling off hydro.
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Ever since Campbell had his photo op with Schwarzenegger and decided to re-make his image like Arnold, he completely lost my support . All honesty from him went out the window then and it has been all about his image and "legacy" ever since . How much money has he wasted fighting "Climate Change" after that I would like to know . With that sort of rubbish politics you might as well vote NDP , as there precious little difference between the two now . Both promoting a phony self image , sorry but i will either vote conservative or abstain next election.
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I supported his sorry a$$ the last two elections but after all the crap he and his cronies have pulled on us in this latest episode I am DONE!!!! I wont vote NDP just on principle as I can't stand Carole James.
I have always voted Liberal. Unless Campbell steps down or is forced out I wont be voting Liberal for the first time in my life
That sure is one giant size serving of humble pie - can you eat it all in one sitting? ;D ;D ;D
I was searching through some threads and found a few gems from before the election. (trying to hold back a king size "I told you so" ;))
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20478.30
It's going to take a bit and a lot of bandwidth, but I'll have a long list of Campbell's follies here shortly. It's long, disgusting and full of broken promises and backroom bullspit. There should be more of these:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/Willy1956/Gordon_campbell_arrested_dui.jpg)
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make no mistake about it...the so called "BC Liberals" are not real liberals...they are Conservatives or even worse.....holmes*
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Apparently us fishermen see things differently than the general population.... ::)
http://www.cknw.com/Polls/PopUpResults.aspx?QID=11569 (http://www.cknw.com/Polls/PopUpResults.aspx?QID=11569)
Do you have confidence in Premier Gordon Campbell and the Liberal government?
Yes 59.0%
No 41.0%
LAST UPDATED: 5/8/2010 12:13:42 PM
DISCLAIMER: This poll is informal, not scientific. It only reflects the opinions of site visitors who have voluntarily participated. The results may not represent the opinions of the public as a whole. This site is not responsible for the statistical accuracy of opinions here expressed.
© CKNW AM
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I agree with holmes....
what's scary is bc libs wants to double the amount of oil shipped through burrard inlet, expand oil development in bc, at the same time go on about how bc is going to be a world leader in green energy exports... what is green energy accomlishing if oil use is being ever so expanded? at the end of the day the situation is worse. btw, how are these projects labelled as green? they do not take in account all the environmental and habitat destruction, not to mention massive amounts of greenhouse gases it takes to construct them.
unfortunately general public has no idea what's happening here...
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Why vote conservative? All cons want to do is sell province resources off to the highest private bidders. The list is so barfing long - everything from allowing fish farms destroy wild runs to selling off liquor stores to selling off hydro.
Isn't it also full of Vander Zalm type former Unity/Reform holymen who want to institute prayer into schools, ban homosexuality, abortion, sex till 200 and the whole lot?
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Isn't it also full of Vander Zalm type former Unity/Reform holymen who want to institute prayer into schools, ban homosexuality, abortion, sex till 200 and the whole lot?
Not really. Right now a vote for Conservative is just a vote against the Liberals. Their is no way the Conservatives will win the election. I just cant vote for the Liberals and I cant vote for the NDP so thats the reason I am voting Conservative. If they replace Campbell I will vote Liberal.
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Isn't it also full of Vander Zalm type former Unity/Reform holymen who want to institute prayer into schools, ban homosexuality, abortion, sex till 200 and the whole lot?
Could you name a few names ? ... or are you just making stuff up as you go ?
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this thread should be polled as who do you have the least confidence in? lieberals or NDP...with a 3rd option for i have zero confidence in both parties
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agree kingpin....holmes*
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Could you name a few names ? ... or are you just making stuff up as you go ?
It is formed of a merger with the former Unity Party, which consisted of social conservative bible thumping crackpots, no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Unity_Party
The British Columbia Unity Party was a political party in British Columbia, Canada. The party was founded as an attempted union of five conservative parties: the Reform Party of British Columbia, the British Columbia Social Credit Party, the British Columbia Conservative Party, the British Columbia Party, and the Family Coalition Party of British Columbia. Members from the first four parties joined with the Family Coalition Party to refound the Family Coalition Party as the BC Unity Party on January 10, 2001. The party was formed to present a united conservative option to voters in opposition to the BC Liberals and the New Democratic Party (NDP).
On January 26, 2008 the BC Unity Party Board decided to poll the membership regarding the merger of the Party with the BC Conservatives or its de-registration. A General Meeting was called for Saturday March 29, 2008 in Surrey. The poll returns indicated 4:1 ratio in favour of a merger with the BC Conservative Party, and the General Meeting confirmed this motion. The BC Conservative Party accepted the former BC Unity Party memberships at their April 19, 2008 executive meeting in Abbotsford. The BC Unity Party de-registered five registered constituency associations, and planned to complete the merger and de-registration process before the BC Conservative Party AGM in Kamloops on Saturday June 7, 2008.
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Truthfully speaking....
# Gordon Campbell lied about bringing in the HST, in fact he promised not to bring in the HST
Nuff said
# Gordon Campbell lied pre-election about our BC deficit, Colin Hansen Lied about the deficit, both of those liars claimed the deficit would be $495 million dollars maximum, 2 weeks after the election the deficit turned into $3 billion dollars.
How about that balanced budget law? Oh yeah- tossed to the curb.
# Colin Hansen lied about the Olympic security costs, Hansen used the figure $175 million which turned into $1 billion dollars in the lead up to the games.
The only time Hansen lies is when he communicates.
# Kevin Falcon lied on cknw when he stated the evergreen line construction would begin in 2009.
Oh look - He got his pal, Kip Woodward to head up a health care system. Only one small problem - the Kipper has financial interests in private for pay public clinics.
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said he wouldn`t sell BC Rail.
The Basi - Virk trial is supposed to start soon. This should be fun.
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said he would honour the HEU signed negotiated contract.
To which he promptly tore up and cost the province many millions in a court case that said he was wrong.
# George Abbott lied when he said the BC Liberals have built 5000 new long term acute care beds.
If I put 5000 in the bank I can't withdraw 8000.
# Blair Leckstrom lied when he said BC is a net importer of electricity.
That whopper has been exposed for quite a while.
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no cuts to the education budget.
Anyone smell pants burning?
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said the Canada line was on budget.
Just a little over....
# Kevin Falcon lied when he said the Golden Ears bridge was on budget.
That one too!
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no expansion in gambling in BC.
No really! That new casino (given to a Liberal hack) will be tiny!
# Gordon Campbell lied when he said that implementing the Carbon tax was the equivalent of taking 400,000 cars off the road each year.
Yup - another one in the nads for the working stiff.
# Christy Clark lied when she said under David Hahn BC Ferries was returning $500 million dollars profit to the Province.
Is that coming out of his million plus salary?
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Truthfully speaking....
Blah, Blah, Blah.......
I see you copied and pasted that from the Fight HST thread......
In the interests of saving server space maybe you can just post the link next time...... ;D ;D
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It is formed of a merger with the former Unity Party, which consisted of social conservative bible thumping crackpots, no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Unity_Party
Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person , but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?
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And here I thought Sarah Palin had the market cornered on populist rhetoric. ::)
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Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person , but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?
I agree with you. I think he makes things up as he goes along and only sees what he wants to see.
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I see you copied and pasted that from the Fight HST thread......
In the interests of saving server space maybe you can just post the link next time...... ;D ;D
That sure means a lot from the King of cut and paste ::) (see HST thread for your pile of c&p) :o :o :o
Condescending remarks don't change facts. Look through the list and show me one that isn't a fact about Liberal lies. It's a shame that the citizens were manipulated and apathy allowed them to get back in. I'm not the least bit sorry for illuminating the way Campbell and crew have lied to gain power,given special considerations to their party donors and feathered their own nests after soiling ours - now present your arguments about how the above examples were truthful and straightforward with the public. Otherwise your blowing smoke.
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That sure means a lot from the King of cut and paste ::) (see HST thread for your pile of c&p) :o :o :o
Condescending remarks don't change facts. Look through the list and show me one that isn't a fact about Liberal lies. It's a shame that the citizens were manipulated and apathy allowed them to get back in. I'm not the least bit sorry for illuminating the way Campbell and crew have lied to gain power,given special considerations to their party donors and feathered their own nests after soiling ours - now present your arguments about how the above examples were truthful and straightforward with the public. Otherwise your blowing smoke.
It's your definition of lying that I have a problem with!
For example; I decide to go into Vancouver and I tell my wife I'm going to take Highway #1. I'm driving along and I hear there is a huge accident and the highway is blocked so instead I take the Mission bridge and drive in on Highway #7.
Did I lie to my wife??
You are confusing lying with the need to change a decision because it made more sense, given the new circumstances..... ::) But don't worry about that, as I said you are entertaining... ;D
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The definition
1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.an inaccurate or false statement.
4.the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
Twisting words to suit yourself doesn't make a lie any less of a lie.
Here's a former Liberal openly admitting to a Campbell lie that's in front of the courts.But I know it's not enough for you.
I was asked to meet with Gordon Campbell within months of my election to the Legislature in 1996. I was led into the meeting with Campbell within the Wall's car dealership in Prince George by Doug Walls a relative, friend and confidante of Gordon Campbell (and mentor of Shirley Bond).
It was at this meeting that I was asked to assume the role of Critic for BCR and lead the discussion on its future for the BC Liberal Party. I accepted this responsiblity and committed to work towards an informed presentation to the caucus on the future of BCR. I was relatively young, idealistic, politically naive and believed strongly that I was embarking on an endeavour that would promote and protect the interests of my constituents who had so recently placed me in this position of what I viewed as a sacred trust.
It was some years later in the Vancouver office of the premier within months of the election of 2001 that I was informed by Mr Campbell and Martyn Brown (Shirley Bond and Pat Bell were also present) that the pre election promise to maintain BCR as a Crown Corporation was about to be broken.
I walked out of that meeting with those present, up the street to a previously scheduled Congress at the Wosk Centre for Dialogue in the early morning hours on a lonely, distant Vancouver street. My trust and confidence like those I represented had been shattered! (It would be only a few months until I released a "letter to the BCL Caucus on Hydro" that would lead to my departure from the Campbell Liberals)
Today we are about to see the writ dropped as we prepare for a provincial election in British Columbia. Many of the Campbell loyalists remain and are preparing to run within their respective constituencies again. They have chosen to ignore their individual and collective responsiblities in and around the sale of BC Rail. They have opted not to deal with allegations of scandal and corruption nor to respond to the sense of loss and betrayal felt by many thousands of their constituents.
I am thankful for Mary (BCR Blog) and others like her who continue to fight for honesty, openess, transparency and accountability. It seems like yesterday, before the broken promises and scandal, that I and my fellow BC Liberal candidates campaigned (1996, 2001) on the promise to form government based on these commonly shared values and principles.
Paul Nettleton
April 14, 2009
Does that meet your expectations for "lie"? How many more do you want?
On Friday , I found out that the government has cut a series of group homes that I do outside contracting for had the grant - that provided care for 41 adults with moderate to severe handicaps- has been cut. Not a small take one for the team cut, but over 40% of the operating budget. They've refused to even try to operate because it just can't be done. What happens to the people that have called these places homes for 6 years?
Oh-BTW- they were verbally assured that they would continue to receive the same grant for another 3 year contract.
Here's an idea - Why don't you come with me one day so I can personally show you some of the carnage the Liberals inflicted on seniors. Or the handicapped. Better yet, I'll show you to a detox - safe house that works to get youth off the street and back into society. Shutting down, at first they were expected to double the case load at the same money ( employees made between 9 to a max of 15 an hour for the admin) , then the operating funding was cut 25%. Closing in June, kids back out on the street. But we have money to pay for David Foster to go to the gold medal hockey game.
I'll even buy you a nice lunch! Can you get the time off from the PAB?
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Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person , but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?
Okay, I admit the Conservative Party and its candidates have been getting almost zero media coverage and I haven't been keeping track of its candidates and all, and I've even just browsed through their web page (http://www.conservativesbc.com/Our-Party.html) and find no mention of the ideology that I alluded to in their policies page. But joining forces with the Unity pack does not exactly make them look good and leaves cause for suspicion.
As for not sharing my "biases", don't you think governments should be totally secular, and religion should have no influence in it whatsoever in the 21st century?
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Okay, I admit the Conservative Party and its candidates have been getting almost zero media coverage and I haven't been keeping track of its candidates and all, and I've even just browsed through their web page (http://www.conservativesbc.com/Our-Party.html) and find no mention of the ideology that I alluded to in their policies page. But joining forces with the Unity pack does not exactly make them look good and leaves cause for suspicion.
As for not sharing my "biases", don't you think governments should be totally secular, and religion should have no influence in it whatsoever in the 21st century?
I totally agree with this statement. Religion should have absolutely nothing to do with politics in this day and age. Thats my biggest beef with Reformers and some Conservatives.
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It was at this meeting that I was asked to assume the role of Critic for BCR and lead the discussion on its future for the BC Liberal Party. I accepted this responsiblity and committed to work towards an informed presentation to the caucus on the future of BCR. I was relatively young, idealistic, politically naive and believed strongly that I was embarking on an endeavour that would promote and protect the interests of my constituents who had so recently placed me in this position of what I viewed as a sacred trust.
It was some years later in the Vancouver office of the premier within months of the election of 2001 that I was informed by Mr Campbell and Martyn Brown (Shirley Bond and Pat Bell were also present) that the pre election promise to maintain BCR as a Crown Corporation was about to be broken.
On a fishing related note, how would the state of the fisheries in the Cheakamus and Squamish Rivers be today had BCR not been sold to CN?
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On a fishing related note, how would the state of the fisheries in the Cheakamus and Squamish Rivers be today had BCR not been sold to CN?
Good question- CN's environmental record is not the best, putting it mildly. Seems some up north are not impressed with CN's service:
DAWSON CREEK - Farmers and local government officials in the South Peace are not pleased with the quality of rail service offered by Canadian National.
Garnet Berge, area director for BC Grain Producers Association, said he is part of a committee looking at transportation issues affecting farmers. He said he is concerned about what he said is the deterioration of the line between Dawson Creek and Chetwynd.
"We're getting a little worried that if CN don't upgrade that line or keep it maintained from Chetwynd to Dawson Creek, we might lose that, and if we do, we'll be trucking our grain to Rycroft or Spirit River which we don't want to do ... "
He said that rail is the most efficient and cost-effective way for farmers to ship their products, but that there is no alternative besides CN and he said that the service is poor.
"It's car service," said Berge. "They'll come in and drop cars off on a Friday at 4:00 PM, and the elevators in the winter aren't really open, but they'll want them [the cars] loaded that weekend. Then CN doesn't show up until Monday morning and the guys in the meantime have worked overtime to load all these cars up ... "
The Peace River Regional District also has concerns and have made a joint submission with their local government counterparts in the Alberta Peace Region to a Rail Service Review Panel [see below] initiated by the federal Ministry of Transportation. Dawson Creek mayor Mike Bernier worked with Charles Johnson, councillor for Clear Hills County, on that submission.
Bernier said that one of their concerns was the state of the line between Dawson Creek and Hythe, Alberta. He said he was under the impression that when BC Rail was sold to CN, part of that agreement stipulated that line was to stay open for 5 years" [YooHoo, Mr Krog, BC Opposition Justice Critic?! What did we tell you, last July 14, 2009? And what did you do? Nothing. - BC Mary.]
"However, upgrades were never done and the train trestles were allowed to deteriorate, making the line unusable.
"Right now, Dawson Creek is like a dead-end road on CN Rail," said the mayor. "We can't get all the people in Grande Prairie, Rycroft, and Spirit River -- all of them who have grain -- have to drive it from their locations to Dawson Creek to put it on our rail cars."
He said with upgrades to the rail lines in the Peace, the region could utilize the expanded port capacities at the terminal at Prince Rupert via the inland container port in Prince George. He added rail would be significantly beneficial to the entire northeast region ...
He said investments in rail lines need to be made now instead of waiting for them to get to the point where CN would just shut them down.
"We've got one of the biggest agricultural hubs in British Columbia and Alberta," he said. "We're trying to make sure that it [gets] their attention now and not waiting until it deteriorates any more."
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Okay, I admit the Conservative Party and its candidates have been getting almost zero media coverage and I haven't been keeping track of its candidates and all, and I've even just browsed through their web page (http://www.conservativesbc.com/Our-Party.html) and find no mention of the ideology that I alluded to in their policies page. But joining forces with the Unity pack does not exactly make them look good and leaves cause for suspicion.
As for not sharing my "biases", don't you think governments should be totally secular, and religion should have no influence in it whatsoever in the 21st century?
Here is where you are naive , as many are , everyone brings their religious views with them whether be it politics or something else . You will find all sorts of religious persuasions in any Political party , whether be it Sikh , Christian , Buddhist, Atheist or something else .They all have a religious opinion and it effects how they see things .But that is not necessarily the same thing as pushing a religious dogma .
Do you mean you think anyone of any religious should not be allowed to run for office because that would mean no one could run for office , or do you just limit it to Christians who should not be allowed to run for office ? It has been very rare when some one of any faith group has tried to put their actual religious practices into policy . Yes their beliefs influences how they view other policies but almost never has an actual religious doctrine been pushed by a politician . IMO , the religious view that has, by far, been pushed the most into policies is Atheist dogma . Yes I believe in separation of Church and State , but that should never be abused by trying to keep certain members of certain faiths from exercising their right to run for office . To do so should be considered a human rights violation .
As for the Conservative Party , they have no track record that they could be judged upon , which is why I deliberately abstained the last election .I won't vote for some one I know nothing about no more than I would vote for a Party I oppose simply because they are the lesser of two evils( hard to say which one that would be , between the NDP Or Liberals , as both are now almost identical ) . Will check the conservatives more closely next election , to see if I can vote for them in good conscience .
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Here is where you are naive , as many are , everyone brings their religious views with them whether be it politics or something else . You will find all sorts of religious persuasions in any Political party , whether be it Sikh , Christian , Buddhist, Atheist or something else .They all have a religious opinion and it effects how they see things .But that is not necessarily the same thing as pushing a religious dogma .
Do you mean you think anyone of any religious should not be allowed to run for office because that would mean no one could run for office , or do you just limit it to Christians who should not be allowed to run for office ? It has been very rare when some one of any faith group has tried to put their actual religious practices into policy . Yes their beliefs influences how they view other policies but almost never has an actual religious doctrine been pushed by a politician . IMO , the religious view that has, by far, been pushed the most into policies is Atheist dogma . Yes I believe in separation of Church and State , but that should never be abused by trying to keep certain members of certain faiths from exercising their right to run for office . To do so should be considered a human rights violation .
Okay, I get what you're saying. People's religious convictions influence their overall values and ideology to some extent, even if it's only at a subtle and subconscious level. And no, none of them should be barred from running, but those who take it too far and make it blatantly obvious should be avoided like the plague by the electorate, and discussing and debating who we should vote for is exactly what we're doing.
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Apparently us fishermen see things differently than the general population.... ::)
http://www.cknw.com/Polls/PopUpResults.aspx?QID=11569 (http://www.cknw.com/Polls/PopUpResults.aspx?QID=11569)
Do you have confidence in Premier Gordon Campbell and the Liberal government?
Yes 59.0%
No 41.0%
LAST UPDATED: 5/8/2010 12:13:42 PM
DISCLAIMER: This poll is informal, not scientific. It only reflects the opinions of site visitors who have voluntarily participated. The results may not represent the opinions of the public as a whole. This site is not responsible for the statistical accuracy of opinions here expressed.
© CKNW AM
Glad you and the PAB can stack the deck ;)- Let's see what a REAL poll says (April 17 Angus Reid)
WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR?
• NDP: 47% (+4% since March)
• Liberals: 29% (-6%)
• Green: 14% (+1%)
• B.C. Conservatives: 5% (-1%)
OPINION OF PARTIES, LEADERS
From a list of words to describe the parties, which were chosen most?
• Liberals: "arrogant" (64%), "dishonest" (52%), "secretive" (48%) and "uncaring (45%).
• NDP: "inefficient" (40%), "weak" (37%), "mindful of the province's needs" (32%).
The poll is considered accurate within 3.5 percentage points.
From a list of words to describe the party leaders, which were chosen most?
• Gordon Campbell: "arrogant" (72%), "secretive" (56%), "dishonest" (55%), "uncaring" (51%).
• Carole James: "compassionate" (45%), "down to earth" (40%), "weak" (38%), "inefficient" (35%), "open" (33%).
Well there goes that theory.
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Glad you and the PAB can stack the deck ;)- Let's see what a REAL poll says (April 17 Angus Reid)
WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR?
• NDP: 47% (+4% since March)
• Liberals: 29% (-6%)
• Green: 14% (+1%)
• B.C. Conservatives: 5% (-1%)
OPINION OF PARTIES, LEADERS
From a list of words to describe the parties, which were chosen most?
• Liberals: "arrogant" (64%), "dishonest" (52%), "secretive" (48%) and "uncaring (45%).
• NDP: "inefficient" (40%), "weak" (37%), "mindful of the province's needs" (32%).
The poll is considered accurate within 3.5 percentage points.
From a list of words to describe the party leaders, which were chosen most?
• Gordon Campbell: "arrogant" (72%), "secretive" (56%), "dishonest" (55%), "uncaring" (51%).
• Carole James: "compassionate" (45%), "down to earth" (40%), "weak" (38%), "inefficient" (35%), "open" (33%).
Well there goes that theory.
What are we looking for in a politician?? Miss America? Mother Teresa? Would you prefer a "compassionate" premier who opens up the province to unions and chases away business?
Shouldn't we be asking questions like: "Is your politician fiscally responsible?", "Will he/she make tough decisions even if they are unpopular?", "Does he/she have a clue how to attract new businesses to BC?"
By the way polls are good fun, but in the end only the poll taken on election day means anything. ;D
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Here is where you are naive , as many are , everyone brings their religious views with them whether be it politics or something else . You will find all sorts of religious persuasions in any Political party , whether be it Sikh , Christian , Buddhist, Atheist or something else .They all have a religious opinion and it effects how they see things .But that is not necessarily the same thing as pushing a religious dogma .
Do you mean you think anyone of any religious should not be allowed to run for office because that would mean no one could run for office , or do you just limit it to Christians who should not be allowed to run for office ? It has been very rare when some one of any faith group has tried to put their actual religious practices into policy . Yes their beliefs influences how they view other policies but almost never has an actual religious doctrine been pushed by a politician . IMO , the religious view that has, by far, been pushed the most into policies is Atheist dogma . Yes I believe in separation of Church and State , but that should never be abused by trying to keep certain members of certain faiths from exercising their right to run for office . To do so should be considered a human rights violation .
As for the Conservative Party , they have no track record that they could be judged upon , which is why I deliberately abstained the last election .I won't vote for some one I know nothing about no more than I would vote for a Party I oppose simply because they are the lesser of two evils( hard to say which one that would be , between the NDP Or Liberals , as both are now almost identical ) . Will check the conservatives more closely next election , to see if I can vote for them in good conscience .
Well said!!
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Does that meet your expectations for "lie"? How many more do you want?
I still think "You are confusing lying with the need to change a decision because it made more sense, given the new circumstances..... "
On Friday , I found out that the government has cut a series of group homes that I do outside contracting for had the grant - that provided care for 41 adults with moderate to severe handicaps- has been cut. Not a small take one for the team cut, but over 40% of the operating budget. They've refused to even try to operate because it just can't be done. What happens to the people that have called these places homes for 6 years?
Oh-BTW- they were verbally assured that they would continue to receive the same grant for another 3 year contract.
Here's an idea - Why don't you come with me one day so I can personally show you some of the carnage the Liberals inflicted on seniors. Or the handicapped. Better yet, I'll show you to a detox - safe house that works to get youth off the street and back into society. Shutting down, at first they were expected to double the case load at the same money ( employees made between 9 to a max of 15 an hour for the admin) , then the operating funding was cut 25%. Closing in June, kids back out on the street. But we have money to pay for David Foster to go to the gold medal hockey game.
I'll even buy you a nice lunch! Can you get the time off from the PAB?
I have no argument with the hardships that some decisions impose. There are many things that the current (and past) governments have done that I disagree with!
I am challenging your judgment in blatantly calling them liars.
.... and maybe I'm the only one here that doesn't know, but what does "PAB" stand for? ???
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So it's A-OK to toss seniors and handicapped people under the bus for a few dollars more? What's been done to reduce the highest child poverty rate in the country? I feel better knowing we have money to take David Foster to the Gold Medal game though- priorities are very important. ::)
The invitation is open to come and spend some time and see first hand the "compassion" of the Campbell administration,- show some courage and come take a look or be like most of the Liberal lizards and turn your head, jingle the change in your pocket and whistle a happy tune. If you can walk away from that without any feeling of revulsion than there is no humanity in your soul. Will you show your convictions and show? Didn't think so.
When you PROMISE one thing and do the opposite, that's a lie. A lie is an untruth. I think the only thing worse than a liar is making excuses for being a liar. It seems that you might be the one of the few that don't understand the meaning of the word. No, I don't want or expect a saint , but simple morality and a degree of honesty that the Liberals don't have an iota of. They traded it al for a truck load of arrogance.
Van Dongen and Hagen on fish farm escapes- outright , bald faced, unmitigated lies. Explain how those whoppers were in the public interest. I'll keep them coming. Absolute and complete departures from what was said by he Fiberals. I'm sure St. Peter had a small talk with Mr. Hagen at the pearly gates and the "devout Christian" Van Dongen won't be looking for a light when his ticket gets punched.
Public Affairs Bureau: This is a bureaucracy with 223 employees, and costs taxpayers $28 million a year. People paid to create hyperbole and propaganda for the government- at our expense.
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"Van Dongen and Hagen on fish farm escapes- outright , bald faced, unmitigated lies."
and there in lies the beauty of the confessional ;D
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The invitation is open to come and spend some time and see first hand the "compassion" of the Campbell administration,- show some courage and come take a look or be like most of the Liberal lizards and turn your head, jingle the change in your pocket and whistle a happy tune. If you can walk away from that without any feeling of revulsion than there is no humanity in your soul. Will you show your convictions and show? Didn't think so.
I think the only thing worse than a liar is making excuses for being a liar. It seems that you might be the one of the few that don't understand the meaning of the word.
See there you go making blatant insinuations when you know nothing about me, what I do or who I am. Because I don't agree with you, you attack my character.
That's why I question your judgment in calling everyone in government "liars". :(
Relax a little and take this forum for what it is..... a form of entertainment and in some cases, a little information.....
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See there you go making blatant insinuations when you know nothing about me, what I do or who I am. Because I don't agree with you, you attack my character.
That's why I question your judgment in calling everyone in government "liars". :(
Relax a little and take this forum for what it is..... a form of entertainment and in some cases, a little information.....
Pardon me, but you've called my character into question a few times in these threads as well. ;D The offer was made in good faith- some folks sit in comfort and just don't realize what's been done to those least able to defend or care for themselves and get a real eye opener to the conditions of senior care and how funding cuts are creating more costly problems. Surely a society that creates the wealth this province and country do should be capable of looking after those in genuine need.Any able bodied person capable of working should.But I see the carnage first hand, help as much as I can and then watch the Liberals give 120 million to the oil industry.I might be wrong, but the last time I checked, most oil companies were doing quite well , thank you. Not all the Liberals are liars, they just sit in the backbenches - a good example is Ralph Sultan. Those sent to Victoria represent the Liberal line, not what their constituents want.
So I can swear up and down, I won't do something, do it anyway, and then claim "I've changed my mind" - after I reap the benefits from a few places, knowing full well the outcome would be different if I kept the course. That's just deception I guess, not a lie. ;)
BTW- No comment on Van Dongen and Hagen's version of Pinocchio? I'm pretty busy right now, but I can definately find a few more examples of "deception" - I won't call them lies any more, I'll substitute "decieve" and derivatives instead. ;D ;D ;D
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if any business or company ever deceived the public the way the Campbull gov't has they would be in court so fast their heads would spin....apparently it's ok for a government to do it....why is that?....holmes*
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"I won't call them lies any more, I'll substitute "decieve" and derivatives instead."
They call them repented sins. For most Christians the bigger evil is not repenting to the point that your whole soul is black as a boot. That could leed to trouble up yonder. Still it's a lie supporting a lie though.
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h- some folks sit in comfort and just don't realize what's been done to those least able to defend or care for themselves and get a real eye opener to the conditions of senior care and how funding cuts are creating more costly problems. Surely a society that creates the wealth this province and country do should be capable of looking after those in genuine need.Any able bodied person capable of working should.
So you're asking for government money to provide funding for these various levels of care, yet your opposing the taxes that will help to provide this funding? The services you want cost money. Those services increase in cost with the rate of inflation. So, you either raise the taxes to mach the increasing costs (due to inflation) or you give the government the go ahead to borrow the money thus increasing the deficit that we (and our children) will have to pay for a little further down the road. Speaking of seniors care, where is the money going to come from to pay for the increased seniors housing that is going to increasingly be needed in a very short while (what with all the boomers retiring). Where is the money going to come from to help train the work force that will need to replace all the retiring boomers? You think times are hard now, just wait a few years if none of these issues are addressed in fairly short order. Part of the answer lies in the government bringing in more revenues to help pay for these. Think about it.
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A thank you to the common sense gentlemen in the posts above CT120. I find it rather rich that the decision to implement the GST came 3 days after the election. That ranks right up there with the 495 million "maximum" deficit. Maybe I'm just skeptical, but I keep thinking "mind changes by deception" .... ;)
CT120 - Start looking at the size of the cabinet.Pare that down from the historical size it is now. Not paying for a Minister Of Flatuence Collection and 12 assistant fart catchers is a good start. Try eliminating the PAB- 27 million in savings right there. Stop the corporate welfare give aways. Not particularity popular, but legalize marijuana and tax the crap out of it. Raise the sin taxes- I don't drink, but if my pack of smokes cost a buck more, I'll adjust. Bring salaries like David"The Million Dollar Man" Hahn's back to realty, not in line with CEO's of major corporations. Raise traffics to double. Stop wasting God knows how much that was spent for the Site C announcement. Get the picture?
There's more than a few hundred million and that's just off the top of my head.
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agree 100% nova....holmes*
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Raise the sin taxes- I don't drink, but if my pack of smokes cost a buck more, I'll adjust.
Kind of unfair to make the sinners subsidize the public services of the non-sinners, isn't it? An extra surcharge to cover the additional social costs incurred from the sin (increased police, health care, rehab, etc.) on top of the standard GST+PST/HST I can understand, but the taxes on them are out of whack for that.
And remember "No expanded casino gambling" Campbell?
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Kind of unfair to make the sinners subsidize the public services of the non-sinners, isn't it? An extra surcharge to cover the additional social costs incurred from the sin (increased police, health care, rehab, etc.) on top of the standard GST+PST/HST I can understand, but the taxes on them are out of whack for that.
And remember "No expanded casino gambling" Campbell?
That was just another "change of mind deception". Funny how that was awarded to a person with connections to the present Lairds of Liberalland. And how it was tied to the roof on BC Place. And that meeting with Kevin Krueger was just tea and crumpets while they discussed sandwich making in Brazil, definitely not unregistered lobbying. Just a strange coincidence I suppose.;D
Jeez, I could use a reason to quit the smokes. I've been smoking since the "I'll quit when they hit a dollar a pack" days..... :(
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Jeez, I could use a reason to quit the smokes. I've been smoking since the "I'll quit when they hit a dollar a pack" days..... :(
I'm begging you to keep smoking... It helps keep our personal income tax levels low. ;D
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I'm begging yjavascript:void(0);ou to keep smoking... It helps keep our personal income tax levels low. ;D
Not to worry AF - I ran 5 miles this morning and I weight train in the evening. Fit and healthy despite the butts. I don't mind paying my sin taxes, but it sticks in my craw to have to pay HST on my rec center membership, common sense would dictate rewarding those that make an effort to stay healthy and not dinging them an extra 13%. Perhaps I should bring that up with the Minister of Healthy Living and Sport as I need to get some of my tax dollars out of this part of the myriad of Ministry of (inset name or phrase here) :D :D :D
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Not to worry AF - I ran 5 miles this morning and I weight train in the evening. Fit and healthy despite the butts. I don't mind paying my sin taxes, but it sticks in my craw to have to pay HST on my rec center membership, common sense would dictate rewarding those that make an effort to stay healthy and not dinging them an extra 13%. Perhaps I should bring that up with the Minister of Healthy Living and Sport as I need to get some of my tax dollars out of this part of the myriad of Ministry of (inset name or phrase here) :D :D :D
13%?? I'd be mad too. All the other rec center memberships are only going up by 7%. ???
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Yep. And that 7% comes to $24.61 on an annual membership (literally pennies a day). That's, what, 3 or 4 packs of cigarettes?
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oh, but wait- my youngest son is a big boy for his age. Since the idiot trust has decided that size, not age as the determining factor- I pay HST on all his clothes and shoes! He's 12 by the way and takes a size 11 shoe- the established size cutoff is size 6, so the moral of the story is have tiny children or find ways of making them shrink. ::) ::) ::) Yeah, that makes sense- NOT.
I really find it amusing that you "advocates" skip by obvious thorns, like the expanded gambling "change of mind deception" with a "no comment". Must have learned that at the Liberal day camp! ;D ;D ;D
But the best, by a country mile was the "change of mind deception" on MLA pensions
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/communityofinterest/archive/2009/12/10/mla-pension-buyback-a-blow-to-taxpayers-purse.aspx
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/05/18/PensionGrab/
Any comment from the Liberal twins on this "change of mind deception" ? Does this meet the standard for liar?
Gotta admit it's hilarious watching you two saying a lie isn't a lie- it's just a change of heart. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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While we're at it- does this provoke "Liberal Pride" in the Fiberal supporters here? Your heroes at work.....( Thank heavens we have enough money to take David Foster and a bunch of well heeled dipsticks to the gold medal hockey games, site c announcements, etc.- Let those little buggers starve off >:()
http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/05/11/ChildProtectors/
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I'm not impressed with the behavior of the Liberals either, but this all came about through the discussion about the HST. A VAT makes economic sense for our Province and I support it. I'll support it whether it is introduced by the Liberal, Greens, Conservatives or NDP. As for politicians, I've yet to see one who is squeeky clean. They all have an agenda and they all make decisions that are going to upset a segment of the population. To think that they are any different is naive. Also, like Alwaysfishin suggests, situations and conditions change, resulting a change in course for a politician. They may have said one thing, but when facing new information, re-assess and change tack. I expect politicians to work with updated information and make their decisions accordingly. You call that lying, I call it adapting. They all do it, regardless of party affiliation.
You should spend more time fishing, it'll calm your nerves.
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A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. Create as much balogna , spin it, heck throw it in the washer on spin cycle, power wash it, steam clean it. - if you do the opposite of your stated intentions- IT's A LIE.
Tell me what constitutes a lie and see if I have been confused about the words meaning??? ??? ??? ???
BTW - IF you don't stand up to being bulldozed by lies and deceit, and demand accountability and not lip service, than I sadly fear for democracy and the country.
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I'm more concerned by a bunch of people listening to the zalm.
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I'm more concerned by a bunch of people listening to the zalm.
Zalm's a disrespected nonfactor these days anyways.
As long as he just sticks to talking about the HST, and doesn't go on about his moral values and all that, there should be no reason to boo him.
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Sounds like a few guys on here have bought alot of shares in liberal lube and just like to be told how to take it. ;D tax me harder gordo tax me !! ::)
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Sounds like a few guys on here have bought alot of shares in liberal lube and just like to be told how to take it. ;D tax me harder gordo tax me !! ::)
That was supposed to be the NDP's job.
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Personally I think because Zalm has morals is why he's taking the time to protest this tax.
He is set $ wise I'm sure but he know's what it's like to start a small buissness & try to make it bigger. (That's how he started out)
I've been reading his story in a book "Bill Vanderzalm : For the People"
It's politics Gordo style that lacks morality....lies lies lies & more lies at election time.......
Mind ya I'm not trying to be Holier than thou as believe me I need God's grace in my life........ but give me someone with morals & that's a friend to be trusted. Mind you we live in a time where good has become bad & bad has become good.............................. :o
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You really don't want "God's grace" creeping its way into politics. Otherwise, may I introduce to you the jihadists?
As for personal interests at stake with the HST, his son does own and run the Art Knapps garden shop business. Not saying that's the sole reason for his actions, but it may weigh in.
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Nutterbug, granted ....if Gordo (Godo to himself) finds out about God's grace ...We'll really be in big trouble !!! Your right don't want a bunch of politians gong around with the attitude "God will forgive me for my "DIS-HONESTY" "MONEY UNDER THE TABLE" "BAD DECISIONS...good for revenue but bad for environment" etc as they may become 20x worse than they are now !!!! That would be shocking.
Pres. Clinton got some needed grace though . etc.......
As far as jihadists go...well they will not be getting any grace...namely if they think they are doing God's Will by killing people via bombs...airplanes into buildings...when God makes it perfectly clear that He wants people to Love Him love people...& by God's power even love & forgive our enemies...or those who have done us wrong.
jihadists are the most decieved people I know of...kill in the name of God. They are mentally ill in my opionion just like the guy who said he heard a voice (which he said was God's voice...more like from the "guy downstairs"with the pointed tail) to cut the head off the poor chap on the Greyhound Bus.
Crazy world.
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Personally I think because Zalm has morals is why he's taking the time to protest this tax.
It's politics Gordo style that lacks morality....lies lies lies & more lies at election time.......
I think you're on shaky ground with that argument. Although Bill probably has strong morals his ethics are rather shaky. Have you forgotten why he resigned?
Vanderzalm is a driven person who is getting tired watching his lilacs grow and sees an opportunity to get back into politics. Bill loves the limelight and is capitalizing on the HST argument in order to get some visibility. There is absolutely no way he is doing this because he wants to protect the people in BC from the HST..... ???
As far as comparing "Gordo" with the "Zalm" your statement reflects your short memory on all the stuff the Zalm did when he was in power.... Neither has anything to do with "morality".
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alwaysfishn Haven't finished reading his book yet but from what I can remember it was over the sale of Fantasy Gardens & through some connections he made through politics ...or something like that....
To me it was a molehill made into a mountain.
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alwaysfishn Haven't finished reading his book yet but from what I can remember it was over the sale of Fantasy Gardens & through some connections he made through politics ...or something like that....
To me it was a molehill made into a mountain.
There haven't been any politicians in recent history that have resigned because of a mole hill. :-\
http://www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Forget+doctors+teachers+kids+want+athletes+rock+stars/2067685/Photos+Fancy+pants+determined+faces+mark+women+curling+championships/2718356/Vander+Zalm+returns+spotlight/2777250/story.html?id=2777250 (http://www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Forget+doctors+teachers+kids+want+athletes+rock+stars/2067685/Photos+Fancy+pants+determined+faces+mark+women+curling+championships/2718356/Vander+Zalm+returns+spotlight/2777250/story.html?id=2777250)
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Put it this way...the past is the past. People can focus on one's mistake which didn't hurt or cheat anyone...more of lack of judgement.
He did plenty when he was in power...he supported the schools 1000% ...bond rating in BC was the best of any prov. ....no waiting list for surgeries at hospitals...plus living in Richmond I like the highway that runs east to west...
If he'd enter politics & say start a new Social Credit Party he'd get MY VOTE. ;D
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If he'd enter politics & say start a new Social Credit Party he'd get MY VOTE. ;D
I like Bill as well. Just amazed to see how he is fooling so many are people into thinking he is actually against the HST!
In the end I don't believe he would be better or worse than the current leadership....
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Politics and union bashing don't belong on a fishing forum. Talk about laws and policies affecting the sport we love, but PLEASE don't talk about your political preferences or your personal view on unions! Some people take offence.
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Politics and union bashing don't belong on a fishing forum. Talk about laws and policies affecting the sport we love, but PLEASE don't talk about your political preferences or your personal view on unions! Some people take offence.
I think politics and union bashing is "General Discussion" don't you? ;D
Usually the topic is clearly labeled so if you don't like the title, don't click on it. ???
By the way, Welcome back to the Forum!
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I like Bill as well. Just amazed to see how he is fooling so many are people into thinking he is actually against the HST!
I don't see what he'd have to gain in knocking down the Liberals and giving the NDP a boost in the process.
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I don't see what he'd have to gain in knocking down the Liberals and giving the NDP a boost in the process.
Are you aware that the BC Conservatives are looking for a new leader? This is the party that is backing the anti-HST petition.
I think it's unlikely the NDP will get any sort of a boost from this. If Vanderzalm becomes the leader of the BC Conservatives the voting public is unlikely to give the NDP any credit for fighting the HST.
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Are you aware that the BC Conservatives are looking for a new leader? This is the party that is backing the anti-HST petition.
I think it's unlikely the NDP will get any sort of a boost from this. If Vanderzalm becomes the leader of the BC Conservatives the voting public is unlikely to give the NDP any credit for fighting the HST.
Vander Zalm has said for the record himself that he is too old to get involved.
He has also put his differences aside and spoken with Carole James by his side on this.
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Vander Zalm has said for the record himself that he is too old to get involved.
He has also put his differences aside and spoken with Carole James by his side on this.
If you believe either of those statements then you'll believe me when I say the Leafs are going to win the Stanley Cup this year! :D ;D
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If you believe either of those statements then you'll believe me when I say the Leafs are going to win the Stanley Cup this year! :D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-jVUQruZPI
Skip ahead to 2:30 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
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Put a politician in front of a camera and an audience and he'll say anything he thinks you want to hear..... ???
Although I never imagined I'd ever see Bill kissing the leader of the NDP. :D
........ I'm also starting to believe the leafs are going to win the Stanley Cup this yearl! ;D ;D ;D
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Put a politician in front of a camera and an audience and he'll say anything he thinks you want to hear..... ???
Although I never imagined I'd ever see Bill kissing the leader of the NDP. :D
........ I'm also starting to believe the leafs are going to win the Stanley Cup this yearl! ;D ;D ;D
nope, it's our other Canadian team who will win :)
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Put a politician in front of a camera and an audience and he'll say anything he thinks you want to hear..... ???
Although I never imagined I'd ever see Bill kissing the leader of the NDP. :D
I guess Lillian is getting too old for his liking. :D
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Liberal suicide.... Best news for the province in years!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/05/13/bc-campbell-running-2013.html
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I'll take him over the NDP any day. I remember the 90's and have no faith in the NDP.
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Liberal suicide.... Best news for the province in years!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/05/13/bc-campbell-running-2013.html
AS IF he's going to admit so early in the term that he's quitting and effectively a lame duck premier.
If his party has any brain cells between them, they'll throw him out when the time is right.
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I'll take him over the NDP any day. I remember the 90's and have no faith in the NDP.
The Titanic isn't sinking! It's just taking on more water than the pumps can put out! ;D ;D ;DThat opinion is in very minority territory thankfully.(See above poll and follow link) Campbell's done like dinner.
http://www.visioncritical.com/2010/04/bc-liberals-plummet-as-hst-looms-british-columbians-want-a-new-party/
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BC Rail trial starts today! It should provide some insight into the dirty laundry room of the "lease" - that the other companies bailed on because of an alleged skewed process.
http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/
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A few more kicks in the groin to bring Kaptain Kampbell's Krusty Krew ashore- seems the not so good ship Liberal Arrogance is being docked not only by public opinion, but by the court system.
Whiny Colon Hansen gets slapped-
http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/BC-Politics/2010/05/14/HansenComplaint/
And on the most shameful neglect of the Fiberals and this is DISGUSTING -
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/05/14/bc-mary-ellen-turpel-lafond-lawsuit.html
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I'll take him over the NDP any day. I remember the 90's and have no faith in the NDP.
I guess you like farmed Atlanic salmon too!
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I guess you like farmed Atlanic salmon too!
I don't eat farmed fish.
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I don't eat farmed fish.
Why not? You can wash it down with the Liberal kool aid(makes my stomach turn :P)! ( ;D ;D ;D
(Posted in humour)
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#1 reason for getting this Campbell government out is this. Back in December my 5 year old niece fell terrible ill because of a rare kidney disease. She was so ill she was on life support and she almost did not make it. She is now at home but makes 5 trips a week to childrens for kidney dialysis and has to be feed threw a feeding tube. The only way to save her life is for kidney transplant and the best results for a full recovery is too recieve one from a family member. Well my brother( her father) is a perfect match but because he is a living donor this government calls it elective surgery meaning that because of budget cuts surgery will be delayed. How messed up is that. Watch for this one to be on TV. Here is a link to their story.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/tri_city_maple_ridge/mapleridgenews/news/93727709.html
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Sorry to hear that Geff, my heart goes out to your family. The Liberals put the dollars ahead of everything. My suggestion is to go to your MLA and raise hell, be as vocal and obnoxious as you possibly can, everywhere as long as it takes - embarrass them as badly as you can . Although shame is not one of the character traits of the governing party, public pressure sometimes forces them to do the right thing. Watch for silence from the few Liberal supporters and apologists on this- they lack the conviction to belly up to the facts.
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A stake in the heart of the Liiberals?
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Finally+truth+behind+Rail+deal/3036138/story.html
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A stake in the heart of the Liiberals?
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Finally+truth+behind+Rail+deal/3036138/story.html
We all know that the ethical strength of a party or most organizations flows downhill from the leadership.
If British Colombians can accept a convicted drunk driver as the top man in the province, you really think the apathetic public gives 2 cents about fiscal corruption lol. We don't vote people into power in this country; we vote them out.
And the standard of behavior (fiscal or moral) they need to fail at in order to be voted out gets worse and worse as society gets crappier and crappier.
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"The Crown alleges David Basi and Virk leaked sensitive documents to one of the bidders in the sale, and took money and benefits in return."
Is "one of the bidders" also facing charges of bribery of government officials? Is this a one-sided pursuit of justice?
Who are "the people" who buy government property with inside information that has been "bought" from government officials?
If I bribed a police officer or a judge, who would be going to trial first?
I would think it would be me. Well I'm sure that second party to privileged, inside information will surface in this trial and then perhaps the pursuit of justice will go onward, otherwise it will be "just ice".....chilled...and then I will assume that this is an expected way of doing business in this crooked world
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Pretty impressive that the campaign has reached significant targets - so does this mean in theory Campbell can be re-called? He'd have to run again in his riding? All the libs?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-anti-hst-campaign-reaches-target-in-72-ridings/article1572337/
Mr. Vander Zalm made the comments as he and his organizers announced they had accumulated 500,000 signatures spread out so that they have reached a necessary 10-per-cent-of-voters threshold in 72 of 85 provincial ridings. That total is in place with seven weeks to go in the campaign.
Under B.C.’s Recall and Initiative Act, a petition that meets the 10-per-cent target in all ridings would compel the provincial government to either hold a non-binding referendum on the HST or present legislation repealing the tax.
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I smell something - seems to be Danish and it's spoiled......
Quotes from yesterdays cross examination of Martyn Brown, Gordo's head henchman:
"Are you aware CN Rail gave approximately $269,000 over the last nine years?" the lawyer asked.
"I wasn't aware until now," Brown replied. "I have nothing to do with fundraising."
The witness said he was unaware that CN Rail donated $113,000 to the BC Liberals between 1994 and 2004, and another $155,907.50 between 2005 and 2009.
McCullough pointed out that CN Rail's chairman, David McLean, was the chief fundraiser of Campbell's 1996 election campaign.
"It was not at all a factor in the consideration," Brown said of the process that led to CN Rail being announced as the winning bidder of BC Rail in 2003. The $1-billion deal was finalized the following July.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?category=News&zone=canada&site=cbc.news.ca&clipid=1498781179
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Pretty impressive that the campaign has reached significant targets - so does this mean in theory Campbell can be re-called? He'd have to run again in his riding? All the libs?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-anti-hst-campaign-reaches-target-in-72-ridings/article1572337/
Not yet, but come November 15th when recall can be initiated, the Liberals will really start squirming , like a dewworm on a hook
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GOD DAMN LIBERALS
stricter gun laws
bio diesel ban
gas tax
hst
who the hell voted for this funny dude.. if you vote liberal you must be a rich business owner. if you are not a rich business owner, you have no reason to vote for him.
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Lets just go fishing and enjoy the time in the outdoors. They are going to do what they want anyway. I would never vote for them or the cons. Thank goodness we have unions or we would all be working for a quarter and a kick in the butt.
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Lets just go fishing and enjoy the time in the outdoors. They are going to do what they want anyway. I would never vote for them or the cons. Thank goodness we have unions or we would all be working for a quarter and a kick in the butt.
Yes it is certainly time to get fishing and enjoy our lakes, the ocean, our rivers and streams.
Saying that the public has to remain vigilant on this and environmental issues or things can and would be worse.
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A couple of links that should raise concern for AF and Cameront120 - Your boys are in a slide.
http://www.mustelgroup.com/pdf/20100520.pdf
And look at those fancy dance steps by the "deception by mind change" group. You reap what you sow and Campbell is going down the toilet.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/05/20/bc-mustel-poll.html
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News flash for you Novabonker, being in favor of the HST doesn't mean that one isn't dismayed by the actions of this government. They are two separate issues. You know what they say about people who assume, right?
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Um Let's review....
Can you guess who posted these?
It doesn't matter who leads the NDP, they're too entrenched with the unions to be an option for many of the electorate.
(And Campbell's in bed with business)
I'm more concerned by a bunch of people listening to the zalm.
(So we should listen to the honesty of the Liberals? When do they start being honest?)
I'll take him over the NDP any day. I remember the 90's and have no faith in the NDP.
(That was in reference to Campbell- you know, the guy who absolutely wouldn't sell BC Rail, wouldn't tear up contracts, HST not on the radar,legislate balanced budgets, and on and on...mostly "deception by mind change")
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Your reading comprehension could use a little work. You missed the part where I said I was dismayed.
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Your reading comprehension could use a little work. You missed the part where I said I was dismayed.
Weren't you the same person complaining about schoolyard name calling? So cheap shots are OK ?
"(how about sticking to topic and leave the school yard name calling out of it?)."
;D ;D ;D
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I merely made an observation based upon your reply to my post. That's hardly name-calling. But if you interpreted it as such, I apologize.
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In any circumstance- we disagree. The Campbell Liberals are now and have been deceptive,arrogant and in the pocket of anyone who donated to them. They're gone soon, after they ignore the HST initiative and recall starts. I'm pretty sure you'll discount that happening, but just wait- it will. They will go down as one of the most corrupt governments in recent history and nothing more than thugs in suits. Personally,I'm proud to see the citizens standing up for themselves and not buying into the bullspit that flows from the PAB. Watch and see what comes out of the Basi Virk trial. There's going to be some serious "contradictions" between what the Liberals said and reality. Kevin McCullogh is setting up some things that will prove that the offices and staff of Campbell Inc. are as rotten as a four day old fish sitting in the sun- from the top on down.
BTW- I am quite passionate about HONEST people doing a job that they're sent to parliament for, not serving the financial backers who shot them some money for an agenda or the whims of a dictator that lies as easily as we breathe. Take a few moments and look at the money that came to the Campbellites and look at the legislation they force through. If anyone can't follow the trail of slime, then they just aren't looking.That's the crux of my points - our present government is hanging a "For Sale" sign on everything , including morals, of which they seem to have tossed in the dustbin. Turning up the heat in any way I can is he right thing to do when a government refuses to listen to the electorate.
For your dining and dancing pleasure! ;)
http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/BC-Politics/2010/05/21/DirtyTricks/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/lawyer-alleges-campbell-advised-accused-to-keep-mouth-shut/article1576517/
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I agree 100% with you novabonker.To all those that continue to support these liars I can only say I hope you and your loved ones don't need critical health care.After all these are the people that tear down perfectly good hospitals. And I heard on the radio yesterday they are cutting 16 ambulances and 36 paramedics. I don't know if that is true yet but if it is. :o
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
or
"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
It doesn't matter which party they support. Just take a look at what has transpired over the last few decades. Most of the 'leaders' had resigned due to one reason or another.
- Bill Bennett - SoCred - Resigned - in came Vander Zalm
- Bill VanderZalm - SoCred - Resigned - in came Rita Johnston
The people had enough of the Socreds and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Mike Harcourt - NDP - Resigned (albeit - he was not involved in the bingogate scandal) - in came Glen Clark
- Glen Clark - NDP - Resigned - in came Miller (interim) then Dosanjh
The people had enough of the NDP propaganda and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Gordon Campbell - Liberals - So far the only one who has not resigned - but possibly to be Recalled.
The only two parties left are the Greens (who?) and the Conservatives (No leader - yet).
I just wish there were more 'Honest' politicians who actually represent the people as opposed to toeing the party line. Me thinks we need more 'Independents'. Unfortunately - if you don't belong to a 'party', one tends not to get elected unless they are well known.
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
or
"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
It doesn't matter which party they support. Just take a look at what has transpired over the last few decades. Most of the 'leaders' had resigned due to one reason or another.
- Bill Bennett - SoCred - Resigned - in came Vander Zalm
- Bill VanderZalm - SoCred - Resigned - in came Rita Johnston
The people had enough of the Socreds and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Mike Harcourt - NDP - Resigned (albeit - he was not involved in the bingogate scandal) - in came Glen Clark
- Glen Clark - NDP - Resigned - in came Miller (interim) then Dosanjh
The people had enough of the NDP propaganda and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Gordon Campbell - Liberals - So far the only one who has not resigned - but possibly to be Recalled.
The only two parties left are the Greens (who?) and the Conservatives (No leader - yet).
I just wish there were more 'Honest' politicians who actually represent the people as opposed to toeing the party line. Me thinks we need more 'Independents'. Unfortunately - if you don't belong to a 'party', one tends not to get elected unless they are well known.
Actually, what we need is the Single transferable vote (STV)
Minority governments are also good thing, at least it keeps one party from running over everyone else for their own benefit. (ie Liberals dismantling our crown resources for their own benefit)
We all know that an MLA does not abide by his constituents wishes, is all party line now, so even if your MLA holds the view of the constituents, he is helpless to vote your mind, unless its the party line, and that is one of the major problems of our"democracy" today.
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
or
"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
It doesn't matter which party they support. Just take a look at what has transpired over the last few decades. Most of the 'leaders' had resigned due to one reason or another.
- Bill Bennett - SoCred - Resigned - in came Vander Zalm
- Bill VanderZalm - SoCred - Resigned - in came Rita Johnston
The people had enough of the Socreds and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Mike Harcourt - NDP - Resigned (albeit - he was not involved in the bingogate scandal) - in came Glen Clark
- Glen Clark - NDP - Resigned - in came Miller (interim) then Dosanjh
The people had enough of the NDP propaganda and thus began a new era of promises: ::)
- Gordon Campbell - Liberals - So far the only one who has not resigned - but possibly to be Recalled.
The only two parties left are the Greens (who?) and the Conservatives (No leader - yet).
I just wish there were more 'Honest' politicians who actually represent the people as opposed to toeing the party line. Me thinks we need more 'Independents'. Unfortunately - if you don't belong to a 'party', one tends not to get elected unless they are well known.
Those guys you listed were all acquitted and cleared of wrongdoing, right?
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Mike Harcourt was a decent premier. He got a raw deal