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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fly fisher on March 28, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
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i was wondering what the best spot on the vedder for white fish thanks in advance.
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lower canal or over by barrowtown pump station
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It's unlikely you will find whitefish in the Barrowtown area. In fact whitefish in any numbers are hard to find anywhere in the Vedder - Chilliiwack. There was a post on FWR a while back about this very issue.
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apperently prisons hole is loaded with them but i can't find that.
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apperently prisons hole is loaded with them but i can't find that.
Doubt it... no where on the Vedder is loaded with them.
I have only caught one during Steelhead season and only one last summer.
Like Dave said, go research the topic started a while ago.. they are definitely a species that has deteriorated a lot.
Prison Hole is right behind the prison just past Allison if you feel so inclined to go check it out.
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Whitefish is hard on salminids fry and compete heavily with trout for food, hence such a liberal catch limit(15). Not very plentifull at Vedder, but very numeous everywhere else. They are easy to catch with nimfs on the bottom. Flies like halbacks or ribbed hare's ear work great, even if you bottom bounce with them on4-5" side leader(pater noster).
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Whitefish is hard on salminids fry and compete heavily with trout for food, hence such a liberal catch limit(15).
Funny... thats what someone said years ago when they put a bounty on Bull trout/Dolly heads and tails ::)
The system was fine before we got a hold of it...
Who are we to say that native species that have been living together for years with salmon should be eliminated, just because we have pushed the salmon to near extinction.
This all leads back to greed... pretty soon we'll be finding a way to eat krill when there are no fish left ::)
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Whitefish is hard on salminids fry and compete heavily with trout for food, hence such a liberal catch limit(15).
Are you talking about Mountain Whitefish or Pikeminnows?
Mountain whitefish have tiny mouths are are bug eaters while Pikeminnows have large mouths and will eat just about anything.
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Mountain whitefish have tiny mouths are are bug eaters
Not so. According to my copy of "Fishes of Canada" their diet includes insect larvae, molluscs, plankton, salmon/trout eggs and other fish. I have caught several whitefish around Herrling Island on smalll spoons while fishing for cutthroat. Perhaps they were hitting out of aggression or curiousity, more likely the spoon resembled prey.
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I once watched the seining net at cultus lake for pike minnows and there were more white fish than any other speices ,also read an artical in an old fishing magazine from the 80s about catching white fish at the log booms at the logging camp up the east side harrison.They were catching their limit with some up to 6 pounds the pictures looked like mini tarpon.If you really like white fish look up shee fish or known as inconu the tarpon of the north
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Are you talking about Mountain Whitefish or Pikeminnows?
Mountain whitefish have tiny mouths are are bug eaters while Pikeminnows have large mouths and will eat just about anything.
Swing a minnow pattern in the last hour before dusk on the Stave right (in the upper river anywhere below the dam) now and you may be suprised what you will find...
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Couple of years ago I caught close to 4lb whitefish in Shuswap river. It was a mid spring, time of salmon eggs already hatched in to alevins. When I was unhooking this whitefish and gently held her in mid section, she puked out about 25 of this little salmons, some still alive and wiggling. This fish was absolutely gorged with the fry. They also feed on salmon eggs all winter. It is more like a sanitary function, as these are dislodged and spoiled old eggs. In winter time flesh of these fish reeks of spoiled eggs and rotten flesh ans not appealing.
Not many people target them and even less retain them, however it is a tasty fish when fresh. Superb smoked.
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Such horrible baby salmon killers, we better wack them, stack them and smoke them! All salmon fishermen should do their job to eliminate all natural threats that our dear salmon face at every life stage to maximize their survival. Last year I put up a list of evil species that we need to selectively cull (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21427.msg201730#msg201730). Here it is again:
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon.
Marlin
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you forgot Humans on your list Rod probably the worst offenders and should be dealt with immediately.
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But that would defeat the whole purpose of the list of evil species in the first place! ;D The point is to kill off all these evil species so we the human race can have all the salmon we want to catch and eat.
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are we talking whitefish or northern pike minnows? whitefish have an adipose fin, tiny mouth & primarily feed on invertebrates, they rarely reach sizes greater then 17". i think some may be confusing them for chub or npm's. either way its a good idea to release them all.
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The old ranger run used to be stacked with them. All you needed was to dig up a garden worm thread it on and you hit one.
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The vedder has them but very scarce as mentioned in other posts, heck you have a better chance catching a steely then you do a whitefish ;D (I like those odds by the way). However if you are looking for white fish the Stave has some which at times can be abundant, river mouths on the Fraser sometimes have a few but mostly NPM. If you don't mind me asking why are you looking for Whitefish when you have a better shot at trout, NPM( not at this time of year however) or salmonoids? I mean it's not like Whitefish put up a spectacular fight or grow to monstorous sizes, just like your everyday coarse fish but hey to each there own I guess. Good luck
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" I once watched the seining net at cultus lake for pike minnows and there were more white fish than any other species " yah thats bs because i know somebody who worked on cultas lake netting and they rarely catch white fish and when they do net accidental species they release them! but if u want to look at the data there is a site somewhere on the internet that shows the cultas accidental species that are netted. on a side note vedder whitefish are best caught in months of july, august, september. the odds of getting a whitefish this time of year on the vedder is almost impossible. my guess there is there are lots upriver out of bounds and when the water levels rise before red spring season it pushes them downriver. im sure they come from the ocean as well. i use a 3 weight and heavy nymph's swung or under an indicator. usually a floating line with a 6-10 foot leader works well caught a few last year in the 14-18 inch range most of them are 10-14 inches. usually u gotta get the nymphs down near bottom like previously mentioned. have seen them come up to hit large stonefly nymphs fished 4 feet under an indy in 7-8 feet of water though. also try not to handle them at all(especially for pics) because they die very easily.
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/habitat/cultus/updates-misesajour-eng.htm
This year, the purse seine boat "Pacific Fisher" started fishing for pikeminnow on May 21, 2009, crewed by Regan Birch, Rod Taylor, Dustynn Diack and Blayne Birch and Chris Good. Initial catches of adult pikeminnow are low, as of June 16 only 261 adults had been captured. Juvenile catches are better with 4,910 caught so far. A number of other fish species have captured and released alive including: 404 large scale sucker, 1134 age-1 sockeye, 1261 peamouth, 112 kokanee, 103 whitefish, 17 rainbow trout, 6 cutthroat trout, 5 residual coho, and 2 Dolly Varden.
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Such horrible baby salmon killers, we better wack them, stack them and smoke them! All salmon fishermen should do their job to eliminate all natural threats that our dear salmon face at every life stage to maximize their survival. Last year I put up a list of evil species that we need to selectively cull (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21427.msg201730#msg201730). Here it is again:
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon.
Marlin
You forgot Marco and Carlo... ;D
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" im sure they come from the ocean as well
That's an interesting theory. I used to do some lower Fraser River beach seining, looking for juvenile chinooks. I don't recall catching whitefish below Albion but we did catch chrome bright adult Pikeminnows. I thought at the time they may have spent some time in salt, or at least the estuary, like cutthroat. Perhaps some RMW do the same.
Mykisscrazy has done a lot of seining in this area - perhaps he can add to this.
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Dave, northern pikeminnow that we encounter at the Fraser River mouth in July and August are always very silver. Same as peamouth chub and large scale sucker that we encounter in the same area. I'm interested to know how far beyond the Fraser River mouth do these three minnow species extend out.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/video/0816.html
I'd also like to know if rocky mountain whitefish exhibit the same amphidromous behaviour, travelling out of the tributaries into the tidal portion of the Fraser River. I've never encountered one in the Steveston area but have heard of anglers catching them as downstream as Langley. Misidentifying peamouth chub, which are rather abundant in the Fraser River, as whitefish? Possibly, the two species look very alike beside the adipose fin.
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Hi Rod. You bet Peamouth Chub and Rocky Mountain Whitefish look alike, especially thrashing about in the bunt of a seine net. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "whitefish" caught as bycatch in the Pikeminnow control program on Cultus were indeed Peamouths.
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Such horrible baby salmon killers, we better wack them, stack them and smoke them! All salmon fishermen should do their job to eliminate all natural threats that our dear salmon face at every life stage to maximize their survival. Last year I put up a list of evil species that we need to selectively cull (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21427.msg201730#msg201730). Here it is again:
Humbolt squid
Salmon shark
Killer whale
Harbour seal
Sea lion
Sea otter
Sea gull
Bald eagle
Golden eagle
Black bear
Grizzly bear
River otter
Bull trout
Cutthroat trout
Rainbow trout
Northern pikeminnow
Sculpin
Lingcod
Rockfish
Pacific cod
Chub Mackerel
Jelly fish
Tuna
Do your part, otherwise there'll be no salmon left soon.
Marlin
i love a good smoked bald eagle every once in a while
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Rockey mountain white fish are very prolific in the Athabasca River in Jasper in the fall. Could not keep them off the hook.
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/video/0817.html
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Hi Rod. You bet Peamouth Chub and Rocky Mountain Whitefish look alike, especially thrashing about in the bunt of a seine net. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "whitefish" caught as bycatch in the Pikeminnow control program on Cultus were indeed Peamouths.
peamouth chub and rmw were counted separate and peamouth are easy to distinguish at that time year because of their spawning colors and there physical attributes. if you are insinuating a miscount you are wrong.
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General- Sherman, only sexually mature Peamouth Chub exibit the orange stripe that readily distinguishes them from RMW. Even then, when a single set has over 1,000 fish of various species, sizes and maturity, and when speed is imperative for processing these fish, identification mistakes were made. In the early years of this program, Peamouths were occasionally misidentified as pikeminnows as well.
Trust me, I know this as factual as I was in charge of the field component for the first several years.
Many Peamouth Chub are killed as pikeminnows in the annual pikeminnow derby as well.
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i had no idea u were involved in the program dave. your input on the program originally sounded pretty vague and uneducated. my apologies for arguing. did you work on the boat as well?
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I used to fish for the RMW during the fall on the Athabasca River in Alberta. The run on that river is huge. At the time I think we were allowed 50 fish per day. We used to bottom bounce for them with just a maggot on a #12 hook. You won't find a better fish for the smoker.
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I used to fish for the RMW during the fall on the Athabasca River in Alberta. The run on that river is huge. At the time I think we were allowed 50 fish per day. We used to bottom bounce for them with just a maggot on a #12 hook. You won't find a better fish for the smoker.
They have now closed the Athabasca River in the fall to protect the spawning whitefish. I last fished for them almost 20 years ago after the bait ban was in effect and did well with a Royal Coachman wet fly (also bottom bouncing with 12" leader).
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My previous post regarding misidentification of RMW and peamouth chub is mainly about what I suspect of happening in the Fraser River by recreational fishermen, because the general angling population is not as informed and interested about both species. I didn't think trained staff would misID during seining too.
I have strong interest in bringing more awareness of these species (including RMW if they indeed extend their range down here) that inhabit in the Tidal Fraser River during certain time of the year. Take a look at this article:
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/charges-inculpations/2010/pr04-eng.htm
Currently, both northern pikeminnow and peamouth chub are commonly referred to as "white fish", even by enforcement in Fisheries and Oceans Canada. While the violators in the article deserve the fines, I'd like to know exactly how many of these "white fish" are northern pikeminnow and how many are peamouth chub. The daily quota for non-categorized species is 20 in the tidal region. If the department were to manage and enforce both species as one instead of two, you can see how the number of fish per day that can be kept by anglers would change. My concern is not on how many less fish people can keep, but rather managing fish without using the correct terminology.
Freshwater species that extend their habitat into the saltwater region should be included in the saltwater regulations too (not necessarily more regulations, just be included in the species identification section).
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i am interested in these for my many brothers and sisters because they are easy to catch and me and my dad go to the vedder weekly
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i am interested in these for my many brothers and sisters because they are easy to catch and me and my dad go to the vedder weekly
You will find that they are actually very hard to catch...
You would be better served waiting till early July for the annual steelhead smolt slaughter. If you are looking for stupid, plentiful fish, those are them :-\
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You will find that they are actually very hard to catch...
You would be better served waiting till early July for the annual steelhead smolt slaughter. If you are looking for stupid, plentiful fish, those are them :-\
LOL! funny but sad that its so true!! nicely put.