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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: milo on January 19, 2010, 01:57:40 PM
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Of those fifteen, 12 got landed. They were all caught in the same spot by a friend of Floon's with a spey rod.
Or at least, that's how the story goes, according to Floon.
Just wondering, guys, ever heard of such a prowess on the Vedder?
I called BS on it and got a rather snide reply, but that's beyond the point.
My question to all you out there, especially the good rods and old timers: what's the biggest number of steelhead you ever hooked into in one day on the Vedder? How many caught in the same spot? State the year if you remember.
Cheers,
Milo (hasn't been steelheading yet this season)
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Lot of people been avoiding the brown water so I guess some guys are cleaning up. Good on them. :)
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my best day was 13 none landed due to snags that i was fishing around :'( I did have one tailed until it kicked out of my hands and busted off >:( this was in '05 i think and late March in the canal. since then my best has been 2 in a day but stopped because second has been hatchery everytime its happened LOL
our best as a group has been 5 out of 3 guys with no hathery fish but everyone caught at least 1 which was perfect
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I've got multi fish days from the same spot but nowhere near 15
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Eight -2 years ago and everyone broke off because I neglected to change my main line during the off season.
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My best day was six. As for suggesting Floon's report is BS, I wouldn't doubt the possibility. I know Johannesen has tagged more than that.
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I only have managed 3 in one day. Jan 31/07. But hooked 7 on Chehalis one day I think March. Unfourtunately my truck was broken into that day as well.
I had I guy hook a couple of beauties behind me in about 18" of water with a spey rod in an hour. I can't help wonder if the spey sometimes is the ulimate fl.....sing tool? I didn't say it alound but hmmmm?
(http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m358/kalinichkid/100_15161-1.jpg)
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Boy has this opened up a can of worms excuse the pun, if true kudos to the man, personally in 40+ years of pounding the vedder i have not come close to that number. I have known some of the best anglers from this area and I can think of only a couple of them that have attained those kind of numbers, and not from one run I would rather hear the tale of an excellent battle of one fish than numbers, just my opinion. just a note the anglers i spoke of were fishing bait short floated and not fly fishing.
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My best consecutive days was shared with my buddy who got 9 and I got 1, the next day I got 10 and he got 3. All in the same spot near Borden Creek but it was twenty years ago. We even managed to catch the same fish twice, we know this by the scars on the body. There just happened to be a school holding in this run. We went back the next weekend and not a fish to be had. Just goes to show that you need to hit the right place at the right time.
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Catching multiple fish with some multiple hookups of the same fish out of a deep holding pool using bait or scents is something I wouldn't doubt so vehemently.
But with a spey rod? On the Vedder? In this unseasonally high and murky water?
Sorry guys, but being a mediocre rod, who jumps in glee whenever I catch ONE steelhead (with three being my best day ever!), it sounds like Sci-Fi to me.
:o
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Well put Milo, after all these years I still jump for glee when I catch one steelhead, I get excited when I see someone else catch one, especially if its a young person or a newbie, because i know the excitement they are feeling, I only hope that story is true as it bodes well for the numbers of fish coming back this year.
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best day is 6 on bait. in late feb.
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Catching multiple fish with some multiple hookups of the same fish out of a deep holding pool using bait or scents is something I wouldn't doubt so vehemently.
But with a spey rod? On the Vedder? In this unseasonally high and murky water?
Sorry guys, but being a mediocre rod, who jumps in glee whenever I catch ONE steelhead (with three being my best day ever!), it sounds like Sci-Fi to me.
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15 was possible in march of 05 in the canal...though the technique in the shallow water was suspect. thats not hating on spey fishing there were lots of snagged and flossed fish by all techniques.
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I only have managed 3 in one day. Jan 31/07. But hooked 7 on Chehalis one day I think March. Unfourtunately my truck was broken into that day as well.
I had I guy hook a couple of beauties behind me in about 18" of water with a spey rod in an hour. I can't help wonder if the spey sometimes is the ulimate fl.....sing tool? I didn't say it alound but hmmmm?
(http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m358/kalinichkid/100_15161-1.jpg)
It is!
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Milo, could you clarify. These fish were supposedly caught this past week? if so I would definitely call BS!
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http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=21340
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Hope it's true sounds awesome.
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My best was 5 hooked and 3 landed, in January 2007. All in the same spot within a 2-3 hours.
I'd say 12 is not impossible in the right conditions. But with the recent water levels and clarity, 12 fish in one day is highly unlikely......Especially on the fly/spey
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Milo, could you clarify. These fish were supposedly caught this past week? if so I would definitely call BS!
Well, Rodney kindly posted the link to the original thread. The thread initiator was clearly asking about CURRENT conditions on the Vedder and whether it was worth it to give it a try with a fly rod.
One would infer that in response to such a query you'd report about your experience or second-hand knowledge from the last few days or maybe a week max.
If the information is any older than that then it would be misleading.
It's like saying, 'at a particular spot, Milo landed half a dozen coho on the fly in a few hours.' (except that it was back in October). :D
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To answer your question Milo. My best was 5 in 3 hours in my first year in the end of February. This was on a day where there were crazy winds gusts at time almost lifting my float right out of the water and raining sideways. Was my best day ever. I would not be surprised if it were possible to hook 15 in a whole day (all 5 of mine were in 1 run), especially with the water being blown for the last little while which probably pushed tonnes of fish in with no one fishing.
I dunno, I say he did it. I personally don't think he would lie on a forum to stroke his ego (because he definitely doesn't need it), and just because we can't land 15 in a day doesn't mean that someone who knows what they are doing can't.
Just read the post on the other site, thought you were talking about Floon doing it lol (cause I'm pretty sure he could).
But if that Norm guy lives on the river with a camper why wouldn't he be able to.. and a post says one fish may have been the same one 3 times so it's entirely possible.
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Just for the record, it wasn't Floon himself, it was his friend Norm.
And yes, both of them are terrific rods, but still...have you seen the Vedder in the last week or so? ???
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Nope but when I lived on it I recall pulling 3 fish in a day out of 6 inch vis water... and from what I know right now it has about ~2 ft vis.
I only stopped because one was a hatchery, just need to know where to look.
That 5 fish day water was at about 2 feet visi as well, 3 of the 5 fish were in water so shallow I was surprised I didn't see their backs. Stopped because the 5th one was finally a hatchery as well, and a nice one at that.
It's raging right now if I'm correct? Would be perfect for the spey almost because all of the fish I caught that 6 inch vis day were in less than 18 inches of slack water along the edge. I still think it is possible. Fishing is about being lucky, being in the right place at the right time, knowing where to look and knowing what you are doing. If all 4 come together you can have some terrific days.
Just saying if anyone could do it, it would be Floon or one of his buddies ;D
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nobody is hooking 12 steelhead on bait in one day right now let alone spey. troll
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Over my years on the Vedder I have landed 5 in one day, twice, The Master got 5 on one of those days too as we were fishing together. I cannot remember if I lost a couple more on those days or not. Another day I was into 8 and I think I landed 6 of them. These were later on in the season.
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100% totally possible. Whats the big deal?
The only thing I found suspect was the number of fish caught in the 20 minute time frame Floon said.
Multiple hook ups of the same fish most likely.
A Good Rod that knows the water lies(holding areas,paths) well, is years ahead of the casual angler.
I dont know Floon or his buddy but why lie? Get over it.
Bluesteele
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As to the numbers claim fly fishing was how flossing/threadlining was developed back in the 20's, swing the fly on a long leader down into the tailout and hang on!
So maybe he did hook all those fish (but I don't want to start old spats).
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Nice to see you posting Milo after 2 months off and now 5 posts on one day. ;D Keep the posts coming.
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Thanks Chris, I am still lurking, but with little time to go fishing.
Besides, the freezer is still well stocked with yummy halibut and ocean salmon.
No need to go out and kill hatchery steelhead...yet.
When is the next cleanup?
Won't miss it this time.
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I am not surprised and I do believe one could hook that many.My theory is this; when one is fishing that way you are lining the fish with one long leader( Flossing). Just my opinion but something for you to think about.
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Remember that 15 fish caught in the same run or pool just might mean he caught the same fish a couple of times so you could of had 6 fish in that run or 8.... Many times in the past years I would hook a steely and after a release, my buddy coming behind me not more then couple casts and the same fish was hooked. I remember a couple years ago fishing with two friends and one hooked a steelhead fought it for about 4 min broke his leader and my other buddy throw a cast in and hooks the same steelhead takes it out and still has the hook and leader that broke off. Sometimes you will get aggressive steelhead especially when it warms up like it has been for the last month and the water being how it is makes them feel safe. So the story I think is not BS it can happen just like one day I will win the lottery lol
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Does sound skeptical but so do double digit days on the Thompson which has happen to me more than once since the steady decline of fish. You pretty much have to be by yourself and the run has to be silly with aggressive fish. Still...on a fly and in murky water. You've got to wonder if some of them weren't flossed, especially if it was shallow water fishing. Not accusing anyone, though.....
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Just for the record, it wasn't Floon himself, it was his friend Norm.
And yes, both of them are terrific rods, but still...have you seen the Vedder in the last week or so? ???
Norm!!! Please clarifie, because if it Norm Godding, Floon was reffering to, you can take to the bank. There aren't many I would take my hat of to in this day and age but Norm Godding is one. He aint in the books, or the magazines but he is in the class of an icon. I met him at the Canadian National, last Sept and I can tell you he is the real deal and could put us all to shame.
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Thanks Chris, I am still lurking, but with little time to go fishing.
Besides, the freezer is still well stocked with yummy halibut and ocean salmon.
No need to go out and kill hatchery steelhead...yet.
When is the next cleanup?
Won't miss it this time.
April 17. So not to hijack the thread talked to one angler today and he and his partner got 22 many years ago, on bait.
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Just for the record, it wasn't Floon himself, it was his friend Norm.
And yes, both of them are terrific rods, but still...have you seen the Vedder in the last week or so? ???
Norm is a good rod, but 15?
I'll ask him about it when I see him... I hope its not in the water that he and I compete for on our beat, he'll be there all season now ;)
Cheers,
Nicole
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Accusing someone of flossing just because they caught more fish than you ever have or because they are using a method you do not use personally is useless conjecture and disrespectful. Like all methods fish can be flossed but it all depends on the intent of the angler.
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At the Vedder one day a few years ago I was with a well known spey caster and he said look! pointing out arround 30+ steelhead that were schooling in the canal area :o
Not sure why so many fish were there as this was not a deep pool
(Do steel head enter the vedder in schools or could this have just been a build up of fish moving in ?)
i decided to crossed the river as there was no room on the side where we were
but when i got there I could not get a spot as there were many fly fishermen lined up
then two of them decided to take a break and asked why are you not fishing
well i did not want to step in anyones run i replied, thats ok step into our spot he said
I got into at least 8 steelhead , only landing one :-\ (my first on the fly) ;D
most of the hook ups were head shakes with short run and spit of the fly
one took my up and down the run a bit, I thought the others guys would be mad with me but they were encouraging me. :)
I would say that had someone been where I was with more skill than me and the right fly they could have hooked way more fish than me that day (and landed more) :D
many fishermen\women dont have multiple days as once they get a hatch they want to keep it and then there day is done
15 in one day on the fly, way to go
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On the fly my best day was 16 landing 11 on the Bulkley. Every season up here you seem to get a couple double digit days.
I'm not going to post my best days fishing the Vedder with bait......It will start way to big of a fight...... ::)
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I don't think too many are disputing the fact that it could be done but rather the fact that it was during a time when the river was at like 2.5 and a foot or two of clarity
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JUST HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT ITS MURKY CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW. Not true!! river conditions are pretty well perfect right now and ideal in many spots for spey fishing. The upper river esp has good vis. That being said my best day has been 5 fish, I would have missed out on that great day if I hadn't released the first one which was a 14lb hatchery buck. That was good karma! As for the 15 fish, anythings possible, but you'd think other fishers would have seen it.
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JUST HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT ITS MURKY CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW. Not true!! river conditions are pretty well perfect right now and ideal in many spots for spey fishing. The upper river esp has good vis. That being said my best day has been 5 fish, I would have missed out on that great day if I hadn't released the first one which was a 14lb hatchery buck. That was good karma! As for the 15 fish, anythings possible, but you'd think other fishers would have seen it.
how much great spey water were you fishing a week and a half ago when the river was at 2.5m and 12" of visibility when this supposedly happened?
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well what date was it? a week ago I'd still say it was good upriver.
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back in 2007, i hooked a total of 7 (in a time span of 6 hrs)... managed to land 5...all wild... the first 2 were taken by a broodstock volunteer (i believe his name was Harry).
multiple hookups are not rare...you just have to be lucky and be at the right place, at the right time.
HOWEVER...i recall back in 2005 i was fishing for coho using roe in this particular hole where there happened to be a channel running right through the tail of the run...i was there for 2 hrs with no avail when this guy comes in from the other side of the river and started chuckin' flies...within 40 minutes of fishing...he managed to bonk his limit.
a few days later, i came across him again...this time i asked him what kind of presentation he was using...he told me he was fishing with the basic orange woolly bugger, but the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::)
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back in 2007, i hooked a total of 7 (in a time span of 6 hrs)... managed to land 5...all wild... the first 2 were taken by a broodstock volunteer (i believe his name was Harry).
multiple hookups are not rare...you just have to be lucky and be at the right place, at the right time.
HOWEVER...i recall back in 2005 i was fishing for coho using roe in this particular hole where there happened to be a channel running right through the tail of the run...i was there for 2 hrs with no avail when this guy comes in from the other side of river and started chuckin' flies...within 40 minutes of fishing...he managed to bonk his limit.
a few days later, i came across him again...this time i asked him what kind of presentation he was using...he told me he was fishing with the basic orange woolly bugger, [/quotebut the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::) [quote
heh, yes, that would be like me fishing with my type 7 fast sink. I'd get lots to "bite" that way.
back in 2007, i hooked a total of 7 (in a time span of 6 hrs)... managed to land 5...all wild... the first 2 were taken by a broodstock volunteer (i believe his name was Harry).
multiple hookups are not rare...you just have to be lucky and be at the right place, at the right time.
HOWEVER...i recall back in 2005 i was fishing for coho using roe in this particular hole where there happened to be a channel running right through the tail of the run...i was there for 2 hrs with no avail when this guy comes in from the other side of the river and started chuckin' flies...within 40 minutes of fishing...he managed to bonk his limit.
a few days later, i came across him again...this time i asked him what kind of presentation he was using...he told me he was fishing with the basic orange woolly bugger, but the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::) back in 2007, i hooked a total of 7 (in a time span of 6 hrs)... managed to land 5...all wild... the first 2 were taken by a broodstock volunteer (i believe his name was Harry).
multiple hookups are not rare...you just have to be lucky and be at the right place, at the right time.
HOWEVER...i recall back in 2005 i was fishing for coho using roe in this particular hole where there happened to be a channel running right through the tail of the run...i was there for 2 hrs with no avail when this guy comes in from the other side of the river and started chuckin' flies...within 40 minutes of fishing...he managed to bonk his limit.
a few days later, i came across him again...this time i asked him what kind of presentation he was using...he told me he was fishing with the basic orange woolly bugger, but the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::)
heh,yes that would be like me using my type 7 fast sink, I'd get alot to "bite" that way.
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Accusing someone of flossing just because they caught more fish than you ever have or because they are using a method you do not use personally is useless conjecture and disrespectful. Like all methods fish can be flossed but it all depends on the intent of the angler.
guilty...no disrespect was intended by anyone (including myself)...but any experienced angler can't be blamed for raising an eyebrow.
i deleted my original post as not to open a can of worms...but i will say this...you can't cry foul when you've made the same call in the past (this is referring to the original thread from the flyfishing site).
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i deleted my original post as not to open a can of worms...
:)
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back in 2007, i hooked a total of 7 (in a time span of 6 hrs)... managed to land 5...all wild... the first 2 were taken by a broodstock volunteer (i believe his name was Harry).
multiple hookups are not rare...you just have to be lucky and be at the right place, at the right time.
HOWEVER...i recall back in 2005 i was fishing for coho using roe in this particular hole where there happened to be a channel running right through the tail of the run...i was there for 2 hrs with no avail when this guy comes in from the other side of the river and started chuckin' flies...within 40 minutes of fishing...he managed to bonk his limit.
a few days later, i came across him again...this time i asked him what kind of presentation he was using...he told me he was fishing with the basic orange woolly bugger, but the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::)
leadheading, works like a charm.
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It will be near impossible for the last week or two to hook into that many in the Vedder. Before you are into fish #3, crowd will swarm your spot already. ;D ;D It is possible in March in upper river targeting the wild fish which gather in upper pools/runs. But I let them spawn as many may have been hooked multiple times before they get up there.
It is possible in some hot systems in the past. My best was 25 Gold River wild beauties fishing with a buddy. We hit the canyon pools when the river was in flood. We nailed these strong fish with a spin & glow bottom boucing with 3 ft leader and just nailed the steelies non-stop. It was a turkey shoot. A day I would never forget but wouldn't want to repeat. As some one said, it is not the steelhead fishing, the walking and hunting game we are used to. So I never went back. Now the Gold is no longer golden like before.
Best day in the Vedder was 7 fish twice. One was at the bottom section of Alison near the clay hill, and another was at the Wilson Road at the tall cedars. But these were years ago. I have seen many multiple hook ups in a run in 20 years of steelheading. A school of steelie left a lower unaccessible pool to swim up to the tail out of a popular run and you will see a major steelie battle scene - easily 9 to 10 steelhead have been taken in a hurry. One year, many years ago around a Bergman bottle neck run, I heard of 50 steelies taken in one morning. People told me the day after when I was in the run. The place was full of fishermen/women, prompting me asking why so many people in one run and one guy told me the 50 fish story.
In recent years, there were some good fishing in the lower Canal section in March/April when the low river condition just trapped the steelies there. If you are lucky, you could be into a few steelies before some one discover the actions and join in to dilute your catch. But if you are by yourself and there are a dozen + new steelies just move in, you will have your day to remember.
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We used to have a wood stove back in the 60's.We would get wood in the lower riiver.Remember seeing fishermen catching one steelhead after another in a slot as they were going through.The best fishing that I had on the Vedder was when they closed it to catch and release in the 70's.We won't talk about numbers but you can use your imagination. All most everyone guit fishing.I moved to Campbell River in 1978.One of the first to use the pink snake on island rivers.Best day on the Oyster with the worm was 14.Fished the Cowichan river in the early 80's with Loyd Fulsom.We hooked 50 fish in 3 days.We lost our steelhead on Vancouver Island due to the flooding in 1989-91.It wouldn't have anything to due with clearcut logging?Don't get me started on this subject.
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I believe it. Sometimes the stars just align. On a regular basis I would be highly skeptical of...but even then, who cares???? Big stink about nothing.
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I believe it. Sometimes the stars just align. On a regular basis I would be highly skeptical of...but even then, who cares???? Big stink about nothing.
let's not forget, this is a forum after all...this is what we do and this is where we go to share our thoughts and experiences...just because we don't always agree or believe everything we hear, doesn't mean we can't indulge ourselves in conversation...no harm as long as we remain civil.
besides...this is just a way of keeping in touch with our sport when we can't get out on the river. :)
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i am still happy to get one steelhead in 15 days!
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but the secret, he told me was his lead weighted fly line... ::)
lol Is he supposed to skate dry flies for winter-run fish?
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...my best day on gear (on the Chilliwack) was over 10 fish hooked....my tenth was a hatchery(behind the Prison). Best day on the fly was 17 fish between 3 anglers....not on the Vedder....all on minoow patterns.
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....must have been my 11th....