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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: vancook on January 02, 2010, 10:48:55 AM
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I was just wondering if there's anything to fish in the Stave right now?
Also I cant seem to find any info in the regulations book other than the tidal boundry. Anyone have a link?
thanks
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The regulations for Stave River (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/region_two/stave_river.html) can be found in the Region 2/Lower Mainland section of the Freshwater fishing reglations synopsis (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/0911/fish-synopsis_2009-11_region2.pdf).
Outside the fall salmon season, there are three target species in this system. They are steelhead (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/steelhead.html), coastal cutthroat trout (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/cutthroat_trout1.html) and mountain whitefish (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/mountain_whitefish.html).
The winter steelhead fishery is not as productive as the Chilliwack River, but there are still quite a few fish. Fraser Valey Trout Hatchery releases a fingerlings from a target of ten pairs of brood fish (not completely sure about that number, I maybe mixed up so Bederko can confirm or correct later).
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/091109-1.html
Personally I have had some success when fishing for coastal cutthroat trout and mountain whitefish in late winter/early spring. During that time, it's pretty common to see constant surface activity because salmon fry are out and these two species feed aggressively on them.
As the weather becomes warmer in spring, northern pikeminnow (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/northern_pikeminnow.html) become abundant.
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I have never caught a mountain whitefish are they good fighters? Is there alot of them in the stave? Would I use a spinner to catch them?
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With the appropriate tackle, they can certainly be very good fighters. Since most of the whitefish are under 18 inches long, a very light spinning rod or 3/4wt fly rod can be very enjoyable to fish with.
Lures would work, but for this time of the year, egg immitations would work better. If you are using a spinning rod, a light float balanced with a few split shots (less than 10g), size 4/6 hook baited with either artificial (small gooey bobs, Jensen eggs) or natural bait (roe, single eggs, dew worms).
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/video/0817.html
Once salmon fry start hatching, tiny spoons and spinners may work. Small minnow patterns fished with a fly rod work better.
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Thanks Rod, I think I will take my Kids out and give that a try. Are they abundant like the pikeminnows are in the summer time?
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They can be, at times, but slightly more selective on what they will bite on than pikeminnow. :) The tiny mouth and quick bites/pecks also make them harder to hook.
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took my brother out there last week, beautiful sunny day and great hike on both sides of the river..... he hasn't fished in 15 years (he lives in Arizona and is here for 2 or 3 days each xmas only) and hooked up with a couple of 14 or so inch cutties I assume?? I was a few hundred feet away and he horsed 'em a bit too much and both jumped away as they were coming to hand (he had never fished with waders standing in waist deep water either). He was using dew worms and doing quite well with them - had a few other hits throughout the day with no sets. I was using spinners and jigs for the fun of it - one chrome flashy one while on the jig, that was on for all of 10 seconds so I have NO idea what - guessing over 5 lbs by the hit and very short fight..... didn't matter, was a great day out with the bro!
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took my brother out there last week, beautiful sunny day and great hike on both sides of the river..... he hasn't fished in 15 years (he lives in Arizona and is here for 2 or 3 days each xmas only) and hooked up with a couple of 14 or so inch cutties I assume?? I was a few hundred feet away and he horsed 'em a bit too much and both jumped away as they were coming to hand (he had never fished with waders standing in waist deep water either). He was using dew worms and doing quite well with them - had a few other hits throughout the day with no sets. I was using spinners and jigs for the fun of it - one chrome flashy one while on the jig, that was on for all of 10 seconds so I have NO idea what - guessing over 5 lbs by the hit and very short fight..... didn't matter, was a great day out with the bro!
Were you fishing up by the toilet bowl? My six year old boy has been asking for weeks for me to take him fishing but I would like to get him some action. It does not really matter what kind of fish he catches he would be happy with a bullhead.
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I'll be out that way tomorrow. I was considering going out to the Chehalis for some steelhead but i think i'll stay a little closer to home and go to the stave. Besides, ive never fished the Chehalis and so i'll wait till i have a friend to go with. Its more fun exploring with a friend.
Hopefully it doesn't rain too much. Im tying up some flies and getting my 5 and 8 wt's ready for the outting.
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Thanks for the info Rodney.
I will probably try for steelhead there when I cant bring myself to drive to the vedder.
I still notice that the Stave is not listed with the other water bodies on the list, so the general regualtions probably apply. To find out if retention of hatchery steelhead is permitted it would best to call into the number they have posted right?
I may have to bring my small spinning set up as well to try for some whitefish or trout as well
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If it does not state it in the regs then your daily quota for hatchery steelhead is 2 .
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Has the quota for steelhead been changed? I thought the quota was one hatchery per day.
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It is only 1 fish per day if it states it. If it does not state it then the Regional Daily catch quota applies. Read the regs on Page 23 under Regional Daily catch quota and you will see it there.
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is the bowl a good spot to fly fish on the stave..i will be going there tomorrow to try out my new fly rod set up..do you need ur hip waiters to get to the bowl??thanks
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is the bowl a good spot to fly fish on the stave..i will be going there tomorrow to try out my new fly rod set up..do you need ur hip waiters to get to the bowl??thanks
You should be able to fish anywhere around the bowl area without having to wear your waders. And yes it is a fairly good area but work the areas where there is slower water in the main channel close to the bowl.
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do you know what a few good flies would be to use for the cutties and the white fish? thanks in advance
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If specific regulations are not listed under the stream or lake, then only the regional and provincial generic regulations apply to the system.
As Geff has pointed out, the daily quote of hatchery steelhead is two for the Stave River as it is the regional daily quota.
More important, some streams have no retention of hatchery steelhead, such as the Squamish and Capilano River.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2010/100103-1.jpg)
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2010/100103-2.jpg)
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Was up there a few weeks ago saw and hooked some cutty's and something crome about 6 pounds. Don"t know what it was coho or steel or neither ;)
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planning to head up i dont have a steelhead tag.do i need one if im not castchong there
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planning to head up i dont have a steelhead tag.do i need one if im not castchong there
You need a steelhead tag whether you plan to retain the steelhead or not.
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You need a steelhead tag whether you plan to retain the steelhead or not.
Is this different than salmon? I thought you didn't need a tag unless you plan to retain.
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yes, different.
also, once you retain your steelhead possession limit your day is done.
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Were you fishing up by the toilet bowl? My six year old boy has been asking for weeks for me to take him fishing but I would like to get him some action. It does not really matter what kind of fish he catches he would be happy with a bullhead.
Get that boy out fishing pronto !!! ;D Trust me I know its hard with the holidays and work and all but the day my boy asks to go fishing I'm dropping anything. Worms at the stave should get you something. ;)
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Is this different than salmon? I thought you didn't need a tag unless you plan to retain.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/0911/fish-synopsis_2009-11_general.pdf
Page 7.
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went out with the fly rod for about 3 hours and started by the damn and worked my way down to the bowl and did not get one bit.mabee next time
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Get that boy out fishing pronto !!! ;D Trust me I know its hard with the holidays and work and all but the day my boy asks to go fishing I'm dropping anything. Worms at the stave should get you something. ;)
I did take him out today. Did not catch anything but we had fun. Hopefully he will enjoy it as much as me and he will be my little fishing partner for many years. ;D
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=120877&ID=recreational
I'm sure I'm asking what already know but fishing for steelhead on these closed salmon waters won't be any problem right? It's only closed to salmon fishing as it states?
thanks for all the feedback
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Don't fish for steelhead in the spawning channel.
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Just don't fish in the spawning channel period...
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I was just curious because Im not familiar with the river. Not sure if it's a man made channel or a section of the river. been trying to find maps of the area online with no such luck
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Do a search on FWR, an image of the closed area was posted on the fall salmon thread. It is a manmade channel with two foot bridges over it on the east side just below the parking area.
J
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As far as i can read you dont have to have a steelhead tag because it's not a classified water.
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Do a search on FWR, an image of the closed area was posted on the fall salmon thread. It is a manmade channel with two foot bridges over it on the east side just below the parking area.
J
thank you, good to know
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Bottom of the page there is a picture with the closed area.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22074.120
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The fishery notice regarding the sectional closure of the Stave River this past fall applies only to salmon fishing, so currently you can still fish there for these winter species mentioned above. That being said, people should be expected not to target spawning steelhead if they are spotted in the channel, just like anywhere else.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/fishingwithrod/2009/stave-map.jpg)
The closure of the "spawning channel" was decided back in October when Fisheries and Oceans Canada and the Upper Fraser Valley Sportfishing Advisory Committee concluded that due to the narrowness of the channel and the tendency for fish to stage tightly, it is wise to do so to prevent poor fishing practices such as intentionally snagging fish or retaining fish that are beyond their prime. If we are to close all "spawning channels" in the Lower Mainland, then most of the Lower Fraser tributaries such as the entire Stave River would be closed.
As far as i can read you dont have to have a steelhead tag because it's not a classified water.
If you are fishing a classified water, you will need to purchase appropriate surcharges for that classified water. The classified water isn't necessarily a steelhead fishery. If it is a steelhead fishery, then you need to purchase a steelhead conservation surcharge, just like if you are targeting steelhead in unclassified waters.
The purchase of steelhead conservation surcharge is not determined by whether you are fishing in a classified water or not, but whether you are fishing for steelhead or not.
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Boy thats a tad bit confusing ???Thats what I was getting at, if Im fishing the stave and its not a classfied water and im not targeting steelhead then i dont need the tag?
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That is correct.
But just to be totally sure that you understand the above answer and any other freshwater regulations in this province, you should always have your lawyer present while you are reading them. ;D
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You got that right:)Now my head hurts and i have to go to work:(
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will those stave river hatchery steelhead released 3 year ago come back this year?
has anyone caught one yet?
just curious ???
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will those stave river hatchery steelhead released 3 year ago come back this year?
has anyone caught one yet?
just curious ???
Steelhead fry are released into the Stave River every year. Those videos were intended to inform anglers about the program, not because it was a special release.
The fry that were released last fall will return in several years from now.
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I was out today for a few hours and was skunked but as I packed up to go back to my truck I saw a 18"-20" trout jump were I had just been casting. :P :P
p.s. The spawning channel now flows into the main river200' before the lower bridge
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I was told today the entire west side has been closed to parking.
should be a fun fall season lol.
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where/how did you hear about that, leadbelly?
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I was told today the entire west side has been closed to parking.
should be a fun fall season lol.
whats that suppose to mean?
no parking on the side anymore? ???
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There are No parking signs posted all along the west side .
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Boy the city of Mission is sure making everyone feel welcome.
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Wow is that right no parking on the west side.I live right by there and would always go up after work, park, fish for a couple then go home it was beauty.I know last year i was given a warning ticket but nothing after that.Has any one found out why mission is taking this step.Think about it it's really going to slow things down up there and everyone is going to have to park at the bc hydro lol.This i'm going to have to see.
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I think it's great that they have no parking signs along the westside of Wilson now. I'm a long time resident of the area and it was becoming a complete ZOO....too many people not respecting the area and it's residents, as well as a disrespect for nature...all the littering, McDonalds bags and Tim Horton cups....it was just a few years ago that there would be a handful of fisherman in the area, and a few parked cars were not a problem but, last fall it was just sick how many vehicles were parked there, u couldn't find a parking spot even on a weekday.....I didn't go fishing to stress out about parking issues....
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Sounds about right, that is the way they do things in Mission:
The mayor goes on a national sport fishing show and tells everyone how good the bass fishing is in Mission and Joe public can't launch a boat on either of the lakes.
The mayor put a two page feature story in the local paper about a major water front development and opening the doors to industry to bring jobs to town. Then council cuts the lease to the towns major employer, shuts the door on on a bunch of other companies that want to open shop in the industrial park.
So removing the parking on the west side of the Stave? Yup that is about right for this town. I loath the day I talked into buying in Mission. As far as I'm concerned I would be the first person to say "Do it here!" If the government were to as for suggestion on a nuclear testing site. I mean there would not be any brain cells lost here.