Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: kingpin on December 29, 2009, 05:16:35 PM
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nice fish... i cant believe how downhill that river has gone though.
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Really? Downhill? Do you mean by numbers of fish or the flossers at the falls pool? Otherwise on a boat I thought it was pretty good. I've heard stories of the old days though. Glad people like the video's, I just got that camera for christmas. I have 3-4 more I'll post tonight when I have more time.
Thanks Rod for posting the link.
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the river has gone down hill back in the day they would stack up like salmon and the growing pressure took a toll on the numbers luckily they enforce measures like bait ban that have help bring the numbers back still probably one of the most productive river in south western bc.
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Really? Downhill? Do you mean by numbers of fish or the flossers at the falls pool?
I've never seen flossers at falls pool. BB off that cliff is not flossing.
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I've never seen flossers at falls pool. BB off that cliff is not flossing.
You've never seen flossers there!! I don't think you've been paying attention!. Every single guy at the pool fishing opposite the Cliff had 8 ft of line between their float and leader fishing 4ft of water. The float can't even float, it lays on its side because these guys just drag their weights and hooks across the bottom. they keep tension on the line and pull across the fast water in the tailout to snag a fish in the mouth. Thats flossing plain and simple. it sucks.
I know what you're saying about bbing the deep pool, its not what these guys do.
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Bugpumper don't assume it is flossing.
I know lots of guys already on the island, and lots of people out on the island seem to BOTTOM BOUNCE (probably because the rivers are so deep).
Normally not done with a float, but they will just fish a weight with a 3 foot leader and the fish do bite.
The Fraser river sockeye fishery has given legitimate fishing stratigies a bad name. Go down to the states and most likely everyone you will see is bottom bouncing.
I would have no problem with it as long as they are not running 4+ foot long leaders. Besides it stirs up the staging fish and gives you more of a chance short floating ;)
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Don't be ridiculous, you do not know what you're talking about everyday.There is no question they are flossing, don't assume you can lecture me about that. I have more than enough experience to know the difference. Don't defend that technique, there's no excuse for it period.
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Also everyday, it doesn't stir up the fish. it freaks them out, and they won't bite legitimately.
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Bugpumper don't assume it is flossing.
I know lots of guys already on the island, and lots of people out on the island seem to BOTTOM BOUNCE (probably because the rivers are so deep).
Normally not done with a float, but they will just fish a weight with a 3 foot leader and the fish do bite.
The Fraser river sockeye fishery has given legitimate fishing stratigies a bad name. Go down to the states and most likely everyone you will see is bottom bouncing.
I would have no problem with it as long as they are not running 4+ foot long leaders. Besides it stirs up the staging fish and gives you more of a chance short floating ;)
Daniel I dont think you read his last post. Float, 8 foot leader, dragging it through the pool. Snagging is what that is called. True bottom bouncers dont use a set up like that.
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Every methods got a reason, bb is used for deeper, faster waters. Sure it has a bad name, you can floss with it but sometimes it is needed and they do bite. It's got its ups and downs. BB is either they take it, floss it or spook it. It really ups the % chance to hook the fish, just people don't like that method due to you know what reasons. I do agree with everyday on the fraser sockeye bb reason, does give it a bad name. I don't normally use that method but sometimes its got its useful side, getting deep down and out, its either hit or miss. No fisherman are the same, everyones got their styles in fishing and they polish it. You shouldn't fame them but rather say, hope he catches something, goes with any other fisherman. Encourage them then being all "I don't like the way the guy fishes, I dislike him and wish he doesn't catch anything" If the guy is throwing line with no bait but only a hook, there is a problem but if its BB or long leader with bair whatever, it is still fishing and there will always be a chance of the fish coming up and taking it. Long time ago fishing consisted of spears and nets on the river, that is still fishing. If an old first nations man came to the vedder and started spearing for fish, would u say thats not fishing just because he doesn't have a fishing rod in their hands? no, it is still fishing. People are too controlling, blurting out what they think and hoping the victim would do what they think is right. There are no right or wrongs, thats excluding snagging, netting, poaching and 100% flossing without bait or wool, etc. No one has the right to judge others, but rather educate them in the nicest possible way. Don't force the educational tip, just recommend.
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Oh dear... Good ol' winter in Vancouver. ;D They're flossing, they're not flossing, their rod is too light, they're not holding the fish properly, they shouldn't use bait... ;D
After so many years of similar discussions, I'm not sure why some people are still expending the time and energy to go through this on every discussion forum in the winter months. Want to make a difference? Join a local association, attend Sportfishing Advisory Committee meetings where changes are started.
Stick to the fishing reports in the fishing reports board since only a handful of people can access it, leave these discussions in the fishery issues board so everyone can see it.
And, go fishing. ;)
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Sorry Rodney, we're having too much fun and getting carried away :D
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Funny. Almost.
I occasionally frequent the Falls, and have already done so numerous times this year. Several of the area's better rods often accompany me, and are quite often there when I am not. It is ludicrous to suggest we are flossing. Dunno what type of binoculars you're using, but would suggest perhaps cleaning them once a season. ???
A few of The Ladz do bottom bounce from up high. 3 foot or less leaders. On the water line we use standard float rigs, with the same 3 foot leaders. In the great many years I have fished there, I have yet to see a single fish flossed as described. Yes, we catch a lot of fish compared to some. Comes with serious experience, and knowing exactly how to fish that water. Of course I do understand the jealousy thing - those guys catch a lot more than me or my buddies, therefor they MUST be cheating somehow. NOT! ::)
That said, this past few days we have seen a fairly serious and aggressive influx of anglers here. A great many of them proudly informed us they are The Vedder Wrecking Crew. And several of these boys attempted to run floss gear on the park side - two days in a row. They were quietly informed to knock it off, leave or swim. They listened the first day, and a couple the second, while the balance left.
The vast majority of local anglers are ethical, and have little tolerance for those who are not. If you are amongst the latter, please stay home. The rest are of course welcome, even when it means us local types stay home a day or two (as I am again today) simply to leave the water to the visitors (and of course avoid the Vedder style crowding).
It is also appreciated that you do not throw stones at us about what you know not. Thanx. ;)
Nog
Nog
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Holy crap !! It seems everyone with the exception of bbronswyk2000 can't read!! Where are some of you reading about BBing in my post! Read slowly again. The flossers were NOT bottom bounceing, do you understand that? Not bottom bounceing. Iron noggin your condesending comments are way out of line, like you have some experience that I don't.-doubtfull. If you don't realize that a guy with 8ft of line under his float, and then 3 ft of leader, fishing 4ft of water, dragging it across the tailout...is flossing, then you need to learn how to fish. NO joke. I'm not jealous of a guy hooking a fish in the pec fin and keeping it, just pissed.
I know Rod is sick of this topic, but some people seem to be in denial.
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ohhh, hahahaha :D
under a float at a tail out, sounds very suspicious indeed ::)
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I think it's appropriate now to put this cartoon up again.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4021931047_83b6ee37fb_o.png)
I'm not sick of the topic, I just let Dion deal with the mess. ;)
It's the same predictable pattern each year so there's no need to lose any sleep over it. Winter steelhead fishing slow, finger pointing starts, flossing this, snagging that, hot spotting when water level low, no that's a rainbow trout not a cutthroat trout, flyfishing? No, you're flossing. Your rod is too light, you're killing the fish. That setup is too heavy, where is the sport in that?
Then steelhead fishing picks up, everybody happy, out fishing, but shh, don't post let the words out. Where are the reports? This forum is not like the way it used to be, I'm out of here. Someone posts a report, too many photos, show off, what a hero, what happened to the good ol' days? The "I'm out of here" guy is back, "Where were you fishing?", Find your own spot! Do some exploring for once.
Spring arrives, steelhead fishing slows down. Guy catches catchable rainbow trout, posts reports, happy about first ever trout. Hey! Those lakes should be limited to kids. Why are you taking pictures of farmed fish? You know what's going to happen now right? The lake is going to be packed tomorrow and in no time it'll be empty by all the poachers, who are lurking on the net to find fish, unlike me.
Interior lake season starts. Everybody catches big feisty trout. Happy people, out fishing, no time to post reports, quiet forum. Hey, this forum is dead, this is pathetic, that's what happens when people bash others' reports.
Fraser River salmon season starts, chinook estimates out. Sockeye projection begins. Where are all the fish?? They're netting 24/7, no wonder there are no fish. They're out flossing, no wonder there are no fish. Barfishing? Only those elitists do that, they're so hypocritical because they're also killing the same fish. Flossers, they're just out for the meat unlike us.
Sockeye season opens, oh great, now everyone who's not in for the fishing will be out, I have to stand even higher to look down now. Sockeye season closes, my dog can manage these fish better than DFO scientists. Why are they netting?? Isn't the stock endangered?
Chilliwack River fall salmon season starts. Sockeye talk stops. Did you see what that guy did today?? I yelled at this guy today and he gave me this hand gesture in return. That guy limited out today on coho, he's gotta be flossing. No, it's not flossing, it's snagging. He's a snagger. Yeah, he's a poacher.
Coho season ends, I can't believe how pathetic the fishing is this year.
November/early December, so how about those Fraser sockeyes this year eh? Did you know my dog can manage those fish better than DFO scientists? Pathetic.
Stamp steelhead season starts, ya, those flossers, I can't believe how downhill this river has gone now.
Anyway, carry on. ;) If this is what you do for entertainment, I hate to see when you have a bad day. ;D
It is so tough to be a fisherman in BC lol...
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I've seen that film before. :-X
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I'm not sick of the topic, I just let Dion deal with the mess. ;)
Ya, then I get a bad rap for deleting or editing peoples posts, because they take it way to personal. Not that I mind, because it just means less people approach me while fishing. :D
Still waiting on that Islander you promised for making your life so much easier. LOL
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I think it's appropriate now to put this cartoon up again.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4021931047_83b6ee37fb_o.png)
I'm not sick of the topic, I just let Dion deal with the mess. ;)
It's the same predictable pattern each year so there's no need to lose any sleep over it. Winter steelhead fishing slow, finger pointing starts, flossing this, snagging that, hot spotting when water level low, no that's a rainbow trout not a cutthroat trout, flyfishing? No, you're flossing. Your rod is too light, you're killing the fish. That setup is too heavy, where is the sport in that?
Then steelhead fishing picks up, everybody happy, out fishing, but shh, don't post let the words out. Where are the reports? This forum is not like the way it used to be, I'm out of here. Someone posts a report, too many photos, show off, what a hero, what happened to the good ol' days? The "I'm out of here" guy is back, "Where were you fishing?", Find your own spot! Do some exploring for once.
Spring arrives, steelhead fishing slows down. Guy catches catchable rainbow trout, posts reports, happy about first ever trout. Hey! Those lakes should be limited to kids. Why are you taking pictures of farmed fish? You know what's going to happen now right? The lake is going to be packed tomorrow and in no time it'll be empty by all the poachers, who are lurking on the net to find fish, unlike me.
Interior lake season starts. Everybody catches big feisty trout. Happy people, out fishing, no time to post reports, quiet forum. Hey, this forum is dead, this is pathetic, that's what happens when people bash others' reports.
Fraser River salmon season starts, chinook estimates out. Sockeye projection begins. Where are all the fish?? They're netting 24/7, no wonder there are no fish. They're out flossing, no wonder there are no fish. Barfishing? Only those elitists do that, they're so hypocritical because they're also killing the same fish. Flossers, they're just out for the meat unlike us.
Sockeye season opens, oh great, now everyone who's not in for the fishing will be out, I have to stand even higher to look down now. Sockeye season closes, my dog can manage these fish better than DFO scientists. Why are they netting?? Isn't the stock endangered?
Chilliwack River fall salmon season starts. Sockeye talk stops. Did you see what that guy did today?? I yelled at this guy today and he gave me this hand gesture in return. That guy limited out today on coho, he's gotta be flossing. No, it's not flossing, it's snagging. He's a snagger. Yeah, he's a poacher.
Coho season ends, I can't believe how pathetic the fishing is this year.
November/early December, so how about those Fraser sockeyes this year eh? Did you know my dog can manage those fish better than DFO scientists? Pathetic.
Stamp steelhead season starts, ya, those flossers, I can't believe how downhill this river has gone now.
Anyway, carry on. ;) If this is what you do for entertainment, I hate to see when you have a bad day. ;D
It is so tough to be a fisherman in BC lol...
LMAO Rodney that's an awesome summary of a LOT of the content on this site. As a newb I've spent a fair amount of time trolling through the archives trying to glean some info for next years Salmon season so I don't have to ask as many dumb my friend questions next year. There is certainly a large amount of repetition, and if there wasn't also so much GREAT content too I would have been off a long time ago. New fishers like myself are much more easily guided which a friendly word than all the macho BS and flaming that goes on. Keep up the good work and Happy New Year,
Nick
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its pure jealousy :P
you "park siders" are jealous of us "airport siders", we out fish you 10:1 ;D
I've never seen a fish flossed or snagged at falls pool the times I've been there.
but, it is my favourite spot to BB.
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The worst part about Rods post is that he is spot on, as I was reading it I could remember reading all the posts about the things he was referring too. Oh well I guess...........
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Hey Rod you forgot to mention in your post how every year during the Winter some on this forum's members are always picking on the Maple Leafs and are saying bad things about them, not nice either. ;D ;D
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Hey Rod you forgot to mention in your post how every year during the Winter some on this forum's members are always picking on the Maple Leafs and are saying bad things about them, not nice either. ;D ;D
and they lost again....This time to the struggling Oilers......
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Hey Rod you forgot to mention in your post how every year during the Winter some on this forum's members are always picking on the Maple Leafs and are saying bad things about them, not nice either. ;D ;D
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Hey Rod you forgot to mention in your post how every year during the Winter some on this forum's members are always picking on the Maple Leafs and are saying bad things about them, not nice either. ;D ;D
Rodney doesn't even know about that. I moderate that forum. LOL I try not to let my bias show, but what can I say?.......LEAFS SUCK!!!
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Rodney doesn't even know about that. I moderate that forum. LOL I try not to let my bias show, but what can I say?.......LEAFS SUCK!!!
You must be a Calgary fan, Flamer!! hahaha just kidding :P
Hey Rod you forgot to mention in your post how every year during the Winter some on this forum's members are always picking on the Maple Leafs and are saying bad things about them, not nice either. ;D ;D
Never been a big fan of the Leafs. We got an ex-Leafer in the Canucks, why not cheer for them or just that one player? :D
There we have it, a change in subject. we're gona need our own thread on the Leafs now :-X
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Now this thread has really gone in the crapper! I'm outta here :P
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Now this thread has really gone in the crapper! I'm outta here :P
Rodney started it. ;D ;D I'm out of here too, going fishing. Happy New Year all.
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Good luck out there, greasy lines :D
Wish I lived right by the river :-[
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Too funny ;D
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Rodney that post is an absolute classic. Well done! :D :D
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So, if the majority of your line is on the water and 8 feet are under the water weighted and you have 3' of leader then presentation which you swing threw the tail out to hookfish........................... Flossing/ spey fishing/ swinging a fly?????
Give it a rest, using a float to guild your line to swing a tail-out is not flossing, its standard fishing practice. Watch a flyfisher work a tailout with a sink tip, fail to see the difference. Using your Vedder set-up with 8' of leader from the weight is anouther story.
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Good post Rodney, made my day , heck it made my year. :D
Ross
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oh my, i haven't laughed so hard since burke and nonis went to the leafs. thanks for the levity guys, and rod your post is a classic. just a side note years ago when i guided on the vedder i had the pleasure of guiding a couple of u.s. anglers who were experts at bb they really put on a clinic. bb roe and shrimp with 2ft. leaders.