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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: yakideath12 on October 28, 2009, 09:26:34 PM
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holy, I had a speeding ticket today on the way to stave. 80km highway limit, Police said i was going 82km.....
anyways, I have a ticket that my sign isnt on it. What happen if I dont sign on my ticket ???
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I BELIEVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT....TAKE IT TO COURT, AND JUST SAY HEY, I NEVER SIGNED IT.
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100 percent dispute it and i bet you anything you want it wont go to court youll get a letter in the mail saying your tickets been reviewed and dropped just make sure to go to your drivers services center with ticket and say you want to dispute it and thats it all done
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thank you guyz
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I can't believe you got a ticket for going only 2 km over???? That's well within the error tolerance/accuracy of speedometers, radar guns, etc.
The cop must have been having a hard day, for them to ticket you. It's a B.S. ticket.
No judge will accept your guilt for only 2 km over. The cop handed you a nuisance ticket. What a waste of time!
Did you pis* off the cop for him to give you a ticket?
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that's BS, 2km over... >:( where abouts was the radar trap? I'm heading that way tomorrow
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What a waste of time, they ought to be out doing something of consequence. ???
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No offense but I dont believe that a cop would pull you over for only going over by 2km/h
I drive that stretch everyday as I live in Maple Ridge and work in Abby. Speed limit is 80km/h until you hit Silverdale. So if you were in Silverdale going 82 you would get a ticket as the speed limit is 60 km/h
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Hmmm that sucks...
Last sunday I got pulled over for tailgating, going 30 km/h over the speed limit and no N on the back of the car. The cop ended up only giving me a warning on the tailgating and let everything slide and no fines :o Don't know what I did right or for that matter to deserve that much grace, but it would have costed me BIG and I probably would have lost my licence for 2 years or so...
I can't believe he would pull you over for 2 kmh over. What is even worse is writing you a ticket for it instead of giving you a warning, ouch. Either a very bad day or a very harsh cop, good thing the coppers are nice over here ;D
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Tonight I passed by them doing 90 but they must have been busy writing your ticket as they didn't notice me. Would have been a real kick in the pants to get a ticket after battling those ugly chums all days. :D
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Also, on the ticket should be the fine for the speeding infraction. From BB2000's post you should be able to determine how far over the speed limit you were. If you were only 2 kms over the limit, and you can take the time off to dispute the ticket then you stand a good chance. However, do your homework, make sure you find out the speed limit for the area, and the exact spot the cop issued the ticket at. Good luck.
Also, even though some traffic cops won't admit it, some municipalities have a quota system in place. A minimum amount of tickets have to be written up each month. And guess what we are coming up to the end of the month.
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RCMP contract policing?
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Doesn't matter whether you sign the ticket or not, it will still stand up in court.
Agree. The signature merely indicates that you have received the ticket. No admission of guilt implied.
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Very unfortunate you got a ticket. At least you didn't get tazered.
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pfffft. Pink season I was 120 over 80 in that stretch for a nice ticket.last fall in that stretch I nailed Bambie doing 80k.
now i drive allot slower.
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It's not always about upholding the law if your in a cash crunch. The police make more money handing out tickets than arresting someone for some other crime. A rotton chum in the pants for any officer nailing you for doing 2 k over the speed limit. (still upset about the ticket I got this summer)
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I know a bit about radar guns; unless they were calibrated that morning there is usually a error variance of .5%. I honestly cannot imagine police do not know that and most judges would through it out simply on that potential of error when speaking of 2 km over the limit. I 've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for less the 5- 10km over speed.
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This is the story.
I was on the way to stave. As soon as I passed the signal light at bruce market, I saw a police car in front of my line.As usual, I kept my distance between cop and me. My car's speedometer says he's going 90km/h at 80km/h( They usually do that as I know). I kept following him untill the two lines become one line( I dont exactly know where is it,but im sure its 80km limit before it becomes into one line).Before that I saw another two police officers were shooting speed gun about 200m away(it was cloudy day, they wore highlight green jacket,easy to notice),so I reduced my speed even though I was at 80km. At that point the police moved to second line and there was a truck in front of him. They were going 60km as me. So that I decided to speed up to 80km which was highway speed limit. I passed the police, all the sudden siren and light on, pulled me over.
I showed him my driver licence( he didnt even ask my insurance ???), he asked me address, date of birth, etc... after that he told me that the reason why he pulled me over is speeding.... :o So, he went back to his car and brought a ticket.
I told him that here is 80km/h zone and I never over speeding.( logically, there is police beside of you, would you over speeding?) I asked him " is there anything you can prove I was going over 80km/h?" he said " my rader says you were going 82km/h"....... :o It was just no comment..also, he explained that when he moved to second line he was going 80km/h( my smelly socks) and I passed him( of course, they were going 60 to 70 km, I was going 80km).Thus you must go over 10 to 20km over from my observation. Wow, so I told him that from your observation, i must go 90km/h or 100km/h at that time and before you went back to your car, you just said that I was going 82km on your rader. He replied back "I never said that Mr,Park" ??? :o 8) and " i was going to give you warning this time. Ok, Im going to give you ticket now" so he went back and brought a ticket again. WTF? he threw a ticket on me and left this comment" see you on court Mr,Park."( no my smelly socks)
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Wow..end of the month, got to meet their quota!!! If they were using a radar gun or a hair drier as I like to call them, you could question whether or not they were trained on it, here is the catch, not all of RCMPs are trained on radar guns but can use them. It even sounds like he is ready to go to court, I say its a bluff, you should dispute the ticket in court. Sig or no sig doesn't matter.
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Go to court and say everything that you put here - make notes now so you don't forget anything.
Have a diagram or map showing your car, his car, the speed limits, etc.
Judges hate it when their time is wasted and he will give the cop crap (if he shows).
It sounds like you have a legitimate claim that you were not speeding and the cop was out to get you after you complained.
Does it say 82km on the ticket?
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I fought my last ticket and the cop never even showed. It took almost 2 yrs until i got my court date >:( after 2yrs the ticket gets tossed out though. I fight any ticket i ever get, more times then not the cops dont even show up and your off if as long as you dont plead guilty ;)
Does the ticket even state the speed you were doing or does it just state a violation number ??
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I fought my last ticket and the cop never even showed. It took almost 2 yrs until i got my court date >:( after 2yrs the ticket gets tossed out though.
Does the ticket even state the speed you were doing or does it just state a violation number ??
violation number
speed against hwy sign 146(3) 138 dollars
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i recently have to go to court for disputing a ticket due to crossing a train bridge....anywho, my signature is not on the ticket, although my neighbour is a cop, says it does not matter, although i still have some reasons to dispute. but the signature does not let you off in most cases.
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#1 going to court costs you money, and cops know that. You may just be better off paying it. It's cheaper for me to pay the ticket, unless it's over a few hundred dollars.
#2 they are NOT suppose to throw the ticket at you but mail it if you refuse to sign it. I'd write a letter and follow with a call to the watch commander about the incident and detail it very carefully so there are no mistakes about what happened. I believe throwing a piece of paper is an offense of assault of some sort and the officer may have some explaining to do as to how an unsigned paper appeared in you vehicle against your wishes. Hell that's littering your private property and very much illegal.
#3 never pass a cop, EVER. And stay as far away from them as you can, Kinda like jerks and a-holes, keep your distance to stay out of trouble.
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You talked back to him end of story. They are the law and what they saw goes, don't argue with them.
He would have given you a warning if you would have just agreed.
Sorry but it's your own fault.
And you might be able to get back at him if he actually threw the ticket at you, but I'm not sure a cop would actually throw it in your car.
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For $140 its not even worth it to attend court. Miss a days wages, gas to get to court, the hassle etc etc.
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For $140 its not even worth it to attend court. Miss a days wages, gas to get to court, the hassle etc etc.
I do not care about the $140 if i violated the law.
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Don't forget police are humans who routinely make mistakes.
Could you imaging going around in life not being corrected on your mistakes because you don't like to be questioned? ::)
That said, YOU could be mistaken too. ;) ;D It does go both ways, but in the event you were in the wrong the officer has a responsibility to be professional as he is dealing with the public and if he did throw the ticket at you, that is not professional and done in bad faith.
Remember, you have a piece of paper that you didn't want in your vehicle against your wishes and that is not right. You have very good evidence of that and if you contact his watch commander he may try to lie his way out of what happened which very well may lead to the ticket getting ripped up without going to court as they have that right. At the very least it was done in a very unprofessional manner as that piece of paper could have gone un-noticed and blown in your face and caused and accident.
There are many new and not very smart officers on the streets right now who make lots of mistakes. Look at the hiring program they have going on, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and still coming up empty.
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I'd like to hear the officers' side of this argument, we're only hearing one side right now. Unfair to make a decision without both sides of this case. ;D
In court the judge takes the officers word above all others, even if you are a very upstanding member of society.
That's one sided. ::) ;D ;D
For by-law and Motor vehicle infractions (anything non criminal) the cop does not have to provide any evidence but his own testimony. Can you any one explain how a mistake on the officers part will be caught. It won't. >:(
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It looks like shiz hit the fan as soon as you talked back to the officer. That is never ever a good idea.
As far as disputing or just paying the ticket.... I think you have a good chance if you dispute.
And remember, its not just the $140 ticket. But also 3 demerit points. And those demerits can affect possible employment opportunities.
You have a few options...
a) pay the ticket.
b) dispute in cout
c) plead guilty, ask for reduction in fine. http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/forms/ptr/ptr022.pdf
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In court the judge takes the officers word above all others, even if you are a very upstanding member of society.
That's one sided. ::) ;D ;D
Look no further than the Dziekanski case. Police are not as honest as some would believe.
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Look no further than the Dziekanski case. Police are not as honest as some would believe.
The accused perpetrators are no angels either...that's why we have judges to interpret the evidence/facts that are put forth.
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Another fine officer at work... Ok he's off duty but I wouldn't expect better from him on duty. ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRufpV0xCM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRufpV0xCM)
Cops are not always the best people on the planet, and more likely in it for the action of being the "man" not unlike drug dealers and gansters who do it not just for the money but the action and being "the man".
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Cops are not always the best people on the planet, and more likely in it for the action of being the "man" not unlike drug dealers and gansters who do it not just for the money but the action and being "the man".
Doja.... your theory does not explain why women pursue careers in policing?
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Doja.... your theory does not explain why women pursue careers in policing?
Haven't really met a "feminine" officer yet...all kind of mocho :)
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Doja.... your theory does not explain why women pursue careers in policing?
Women do like being, and in some pathetic cases are the man of the house. :D
It was not meant to be taken as a man vs being "the man". ::)
Clearly you missed that one.
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If you can't prove you were going 82 in an 80 zone you may as well pay the ticket.
Besides, police are understaffed as it is and the last thing a cop should be doing is spending a half day in court defending a ticket that is probably deserved in the first place.
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On 60 Minutes or Dateline a few yrs ago had a report of some small USA towns that had a highway going through. As the towns did not have a good tax base the police were pulling travellers over & ticketing them "for whatever they could". Speeding ,burnt out light etc... It was so abusive as the reporter questioned the mayor police etc...& they looked very "red faced".
Once we were heading to the interior & got behind a car pulling a camping trailer. There was only 2 lanes thus we needed to pass the slow poke when the "coast was clear " of on-coming traffic. There was a break so I hit the gas pedal hard & the car went into the "passing gear" & we roared pass the car & trailer. When I got back into my lane I just let the car decrease to the proper speed limit.
But guess what happened ? As I pulled back into my lane "of course" still going fast a RCMP with radar was parked on the side of the road. He sped after us & pulled us over. We explained we were going fast because we were passing the "slow poke".
Wasn't our day as we still got the ticket & we had to re-pass that slow poke again down the road !!! Pulled into Hope to pay the ticket. Most police are great people though but some are not.
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I'd like to hear the officers' side of this argument, we're only hearing one side right now. Unfair to make a decision without both sides of this case.
I concur... There is always two sides to every story... and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
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Women do like being, and in some pathetic cases are the man of the house. :D
It was not meant to be taken as a man vs being "the man". ::)
Clearly you missed that one.
Stating that a woman or a man who chooses to become a police officer simply because they want to be " the man" (power gain etc.) is merely a generalization. However, many would agree that it is the sole reason why some choose to go into that profession. I am not saying you are wrong in any way, in fact to some degree i agree with you. In addition, you must keep in mind that there are also good people who choose do it for a good reason,and that they should not be painted with the same bad brush as some of their colleagues. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOilS6WZyBs
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It does not matter one bit that you did not sign the ticket. By signing the ticket you are not admitting to any guilt, but only aknowledging that you received the ticket. It says this on the ticket. If you dont sign, then an afadavit of service is filled out on the white copy, stating that the officer served the ticket to the person.
As for the court thing, that can be done via teleconference.
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As for people becoming police to gain power, this could be true for a very small percentage. But for more than 99% of officers, they do it for the right reasons. Most will never see what a cop does and thus will never truly respect them for the job they do.
Its unforntunate that a small percentage can paint such a horrible picture for the rest.
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trust me i guarentee you dispute the ticket it will never ever go to court just dispute the ticket
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I disputed ticket today.
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Let us know what happen
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Let us know what happen
sure
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If taking that ticket to court or whatever gets that cop off the street for a few hours your doing everyone a favour. Even the police. That cop is just bad PR. Met lots of good officers and some real winners as well. I heard this was male PMS week too so that might explain things.
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that is bad pr for the cops to give that out. look out for the cops in chilliwack too. i was given a ticket for going through a yellow light in the heavy rain where it couldnt be prevented. i would have slid all the way into the intersection. the cops were young and both of them had their hands on their guns and looked into the passengers as well. i got a 167 dollar ticket out of it!!!!
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Good on the officer for looking into the passengers. You never know who you will bump into. Hey the passenger may have a canada wide warrant for a serious offence and would probably be in the publics interest to apprehend them.
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That reminds me of a night returning from pink fishing in Ft Langley a few months ago.
The police were on the lookout (unbeknownst to us) for that guy that killed himself in the motel in Hope and had a roadblock setup on the main back road between Ft Langley and Langley.
We pulled up to the road block and I forget what the cop asked but my buddy joked "We just picked up this guy hitch-hiking" referring to the guy in the back seat.
They were not impressed.
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holy, I had a speeding ticket today on the way to stave. 80km highway limit, Police said i was going 82km.....
anyways, I have a ticket that my sign isnt on it. What happen if I dont sign on my ticket ???
It doesn't matter if you sign or not. On the back of the original white copy the Police submit there is a portion called "Statement of Service". The officer merely signs dates saying he served you the ticket. This is often done (without asking offender to sign) to avoid having them sitting their arguing, refusing to sign etc. Some cops just use statement of service as a matter of personal preference.
Whether you sign or not does not effect whether it is valid or not. Secondly, Police do not have right an exact speed on the ticket. It just falls into a range based on the ticket they give 1-20 over, 21-40 over etc. Not writing the exact speed on the ticket will not make the ticket invalid.
There has to be an error such as incorrect vehicle noted, date, driver's info etc.
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i would be mad too.
go to court , if the officer dosent show up , you automatically win , thats the only chance of you winning
one friend of mine got a 360$speeding ticket , before the hearing the officer approached him and asked why he was there .officer then said "well plead guilty and ill subtract the fine " he agreed .
so remember the officers face if he does show up you need to talk to him before the hearing . because once the hearing starts and the officer opens his mouth . theres no chance . the judge will go with the person who presnts their case the best . the officer is going to talk like a professinal lawyer
let us know what happens , good luck.
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i have one way to get a ticket void
just before your court date send in a long long letter asking questions like how to do you as officer calibrate the radar detector? what model is the detector? really any questions that concerns the ticket to the police officer who wrote the ticket or station of the police officer. if these question are not answered before the court date the judge will most likely thoughtout the ticket out because you(defendant) have the right to this information to build a case and since the police haven't answered these question the judge will award a miss trial
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That reminds me of a night returning from pink fishing in Ft Langley a few months ago.
The police were on the lookout (unbeknownst to us) for that guy that killed himself in the motel in Hope and had a roadblock setup on the main back road between Ft Langley and Langley.
We pulled up to the road block and I forget what the cop asked but my buddy joked "We just picked up this guy hitch-hiking" referring to the guy in the back seat.
They were not impressed.
I think the stress of the job sometimes slightly affects cops' senses of humour- I once mentioned that I was just out for a drive to clear my head after a couple pints and scouting out a spot to dump the body in the trunk... and he checked the trunk AND breathalized me too. :( Mind you I had red eyes that night and was all dopy because i'd slept an hour the previous night (which probably affected my sense of humour too.
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i have one way to get a ticket void
just before your court date send in a long long letter asking questions like how to do you as officer calibrate the radar detector? what model is the detector? really any questions that concerns the ticket to the police officer who wrote the ticket or station of the police officer. if these question are not answered before the court date the judge will most likely thoughtout the ticket out because you(defendant) have the right to this information to build a case and since the police haven't answered these question the judge will award a miss trial
I think they use lasers now instead of doppler radar. They just bounce pulse of light and count how many nanoseconds until its reflected. In order for that to be accurate to be, it has to be an incredibly precise piece of equipment to start with. My guess is that wont work.
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I think they use lasers now instead of doppler radar. They just bounce pulse of light and count how many nanoseconds until its reflected. In order for that to be accurate to be, it has to be an incredibly precise piece of equipment to start with. My guess is that wont work.
it doesn't matter what device they are using, it is the bases that you have right to build a case against the ticket, this a basic right in Canadian law remember Innocent till prove guilty you have the right to build a case, the police must answer these question. example in the pickton case, pickton lawyers had the right to view the evidence against his client if the police withheld evidence or evidence collection methods used information -miss trial, same princple disclosure of evidence
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it doesn't matter what device they are using, it is the bases that you have right to build a case against the ticket, this a basic right in Canadian law remember Innocent till prove guilty you have the right to build a case, the police must answer these question. example in the pickton case, pickton lawyers had the right to view the evidence against his client if the police withheld evidence or evidence collection methods used information -miss trial, same princple disclosure of evidence
sorry i couldnt remember the term but here its is
Right to make full answer and defence
Anyone accused of a criminal charge has the right to know the case against them and put forward a defence. In addition to being a principle of fundamental justice, this right is also protected by the right to a fair trial under section 11(d) of the Charter.
"Full answer and defence" encompasses a number of things, including the right to counsel (also see section 10), the right to examine witnesses, and most importantly, the right to full disclosure by the Crown this theory that will get you of the ticket
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sorry i couldnt remember the term but here its is
Right to make full answer and defence
Anyone accused of a criminal charge has the right to know the case against them and put forward a defence. In addition to being a principle of fundamental justice, this right is also protected by the right to a fair trial under section 11(d) of the Charter.
"Full answer and defence" encompasses a number of things, including the right to counsel (also see section 10), the right to examine witnesses, and most importantly, the right to full disclosure by the Crown this theory that will get you of the ticket
Just so you know, a speeding ticket is not a criminal charge, it is a Motor Vehicle Act offence which only makes it a provincial offence. Either way, you are correct in that Police do have to answer your relevant questions. However, most disputed tickets will not be slated for court until at least 1 year later. And if you wait until 1 week prior to the hearing date to make a huge list of requested info, the JP will likely not care if Police didn't comply as you intentionally waited for an unreasonable amount of time prior to the request.
Also, if you get caught by a speed trap (laser etc.), those cops are traffic enforcement officers. They spend all day giving tickets and prosecuting them in traffic court. There is almost no question you can ask that they aren't already prepared for. You will likely lose. However, best bet is to meet outside the court room on day of hearing and if you agree to plead guilty, they will often agree to plead no evidence/not allege a speed. This allows you to ask the JP for a reduction in fine or seek more time to pay.
Just my experience. Take it for what it's worth.
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Its not a criminal charge . Its motor vehicle act
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its before court you ask them they dont have time to answer a long sheet of questions those failing a right to disclose doesnt matter even under the motor vehicle act it is a law over powering that act
however you are right its better to meet the cop outside of court room
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its before court you ask them they dont have time to answer a long sheet of questions those failing a right to disclose doesnt matter even under the motor vehicle act it is a law over powering that act
trust me on this ive beat tickets in washington and bc
The cop can just ask the JP for an adjournment on the day of the hearing due to the timing of your request, and they will get it. Trust me. I do this for a living. ;)
By the way I would NEVER work traffic enforcement. I hate giving tickets. 98 % of my stops are just warnings to average Joe citizen. But some people do need to receive tickets and I make sure those relative minority receive them.
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The cop can just ask the JP for an adjournment on the day of the hearing due to the timing of your request, and they will get it. Trust me. I do this for a living. ;)
By the way I would NEVER work traffic enforcement. I hate giving tickets. 98 % of my stops are just warnings to average Joe citizen. But some people do need to receive tickets and I make sure those relative minority receive them.
that is true, i agree somepeople do need tickets and thanks for servicing your community u guys dont get thanks you deserve
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that is true, i agree somepeople do need tickets and thanks for servicing your community u guys dont get thanks you deserve
Thanks for the positive comments. And to the guy who started this post, if you did get a ticket for 82 in an 80 zone. That is just ignorant on the part of the cop who wrote the ticket. However, people often tend to underestimate their speed when they are stopped for speeding. Also, I have never heard of someone getting a ticket for 2km over, not even in a school zone.
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Thanks for the positive comments. And to the guy who started this post, if you did get a ticket for 82 in an 80 zone. That is just ignorant on the part of the cop who wrote the ticket. However, people often tend to underestimate their speed when they are stopped for speeding. Also, I have never heard of someone getting a ticket for 2km over, not even in a school zone.
would you go over speed limit when there is police car beside of you? ???
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I love reading all the posts giving advice how to beat a speeding ticket. Man up, take responsbility, and accept the consequences for your actions.
The guys talking about how to avoid a legit speeding ticket are probably the same guys who wax indignant about snagging pinks. Sure its OK to violate the Motor Vehicle Act (and avoid taking responsibility) but then I'll scream bloody murder on the internet about Fisheries Act violations.
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I love reading all the posts giving advice how to beat a speeding ticket. Man up, take responsbility, and accept the consequences for your actions.
The guys talking about how to avoid a legit speeding ticket are probably the same guys who wax indignant about snagging pinks. Sure its OK to violate the Motor Vehicle Act (and avoid taking responsibility) but then I'm scream bloody murder on the internet about Fisheries Act violations.
lol
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would you go over speed limit when there is police car beside of you? ???
No
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Very well said Clarki :)
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Doja... you really are not giving the correct advice here and Im not sure where you get your facts from but when you dont sign the ticket the officer simply serves you the ticket at the scene... if that means handing it back to you with your licence or droping it in your lap if you refuse to take it... no way they would get reprimanded for that... also it is always interesting when you only have one side of the story... the truth of the incident is usually a mixture of both accounts
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Quote by Doja
"#1 going to court costs you money, and cops know that. You may just be better off paying it. It's cheaper for me to pay the ticket, unless it's over a few hundred dollars.
#2 they are NOT suppose to throw the ticket at you but mail it if you refuse to sign it. I'd write a letter and follow with a call to the watch commander about the incident and detail it very carefully so there are no mistakes about what happened. I believe throwing a piece of paper is an offense of assault of some sort and the officer may have some explaining to do as to how an unsigned paper appeared in you vehicle against your wishes. Hell that's littering your private property and very much illegal.
#3 never pass a cop, EVER. And stay as far away from them as you can, Kinda like jerks and a-holes, keep your distance to stay out of trouble."
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Judge's gonna decide who's wrong. I really wanna see the officer again
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Quote by Doja
"#1 going to court costs you money, and cops know that. You may just be better off paying it. It's cheaper for me to pay the ticket, unless it's over a few hundred dollars.
#2 they are NOT suppose to throw the ticket at you but mail it if you refuse to sign it. I'd write a letter and follow with a call to the watch commander about the incident and detail it very carefully so there are no mistakes about what happened. I believe throwing a piece of paper is an offense of assault of some sort and the officer may have some explaining to do as to how an unsigned paper appeared in you vehicle against your wishes. Hell that's littering your private property and very much illegal.
#3 never pass a cop, EVER. And stay as far away from them as you can, Kinda like jerks and a-holes, keep your distance to stay out of trouble."
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It is clearly not wise to take any advice from him....DUH :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Doja... you really are not giving the correct advice here and Im not sure where you get your facts from but when you dont sign the ticket the officer simply serves you the ticket at the scene... if that means handing it back to you with your licence or droping it in your lap if you refuse to take it... no way they would get reprimanded for that... also it is always interesting when you only have one side of the story... the truth of the incident is usually a mixture of both accounts
So can you explain why there is a spot on the ticket for the offender to sign even though you don't need too??? Kinda a waste of space if ya ask me.
I had 1 mailed to me so... can you explain that?
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Ouch, that's a lot of interest and comments over a speeding ticket. Maybe you guys can help with this one. For my younger boy. He was signaled to slow down going south on the Granville bridge last Friday around 3:30pm. The office signaled him to slow down by moving his hands to wards the road.
My son, being his first pull over, gradually slowed down, until right beside the officer, looking at him for further instruction. He was in the left lane, center. The officer smashed his passenger mirror onto the road, made him go backward into the slot, and give him two tickets. one for speeding, the other one for failure to stop. Both my son and I have been shocked ever since, wondering what is the best approach. ICBC estimates over $300.00. All paid for by my son deductible, of course. Any comments? Is this normal procedure? My son has been troubled ever since, any help??
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Was your son being told to pull over by the officer because he was speeding ???. Officer may have overreacted, but also he may have done what he did to protect himself. If you think the officer was in the wrong, talk to a lawyer and see what alternatives may be available to you.
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Thank for the advise. My son was slowing down as directed by the officer. for the officer to smash the mirror, he had to have slowed down. Do we have to go thru with a lawyer. Do you think the complaint dept. would suffice???
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Am I missing something here ? Why did the officer smashed your son's passenger window ?
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Thank for the advise. My son was slowing down as directed by the officer. for the officer to smash the mirror, he had to have slowed down. Do we have to go thru with a lawyer. Do you think the complaint dept. would suffice???
You can go threw small claims court, if you think you have a good case, and you very well may have one.
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I fight any ticket i ever get, more times then not the cops dont even show up and your off if as long as you dont plead guilty ;)
Right on, thanks for wasting taxpayer money, HOOK, and great job backlogging the courts unnecessarily. ::)
I'm with clarki - all this talk about "how to beat a ticket" is ridiculous... it seems like a lot of people don't want to take responsibility for their actions. In some cases (such as yakideath12's), it sounds like they may have a legitimate argument - in situations like those, I hope you win! But for any of you who waste everyone's time and money trying to save a few bucks... very frustrating.
Tex
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On those rare occasions that I actually received a speeding ticket (rather than just a warning - and I almost always get off with just a warning, by being courteous and genuinely sorry) I suck it up and pay the tickets and receive the points. Also, I was always speeding when I got pulled over - radar/laser is rarely faulty.
The way I look at it, it's just payback for ALL those times that I had been speeding, and not getting caught. It's just the cost for driving fast.
P.S. it helps to get warnings, rather than tickets if you drive a regular family car. When I was younger and had my Corvette, I NEVER just got a warning. :)
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yes i can explain that to you Doja.... the space to sign is there for people to do exactly that... if they refuse the officer simply rights served in that space or leaves it blank...
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I can understand your frustration. 2 km over speed? Humans do not have the senses enough to make that fine judgement unless you are constantly looking at your speedometer while driving, which is dangerous.
I remember once getting a ticket while driving through Hope city center on the way back from fishing, among a long line of cars and my sporty RX7 was stuck some where in the middle. When I just got on Route 1, an officer pulled up and gave me a ticket for speeding while driving through Hope. I was pretty sure I wasn't speeding and how was it he picked me out of the long line of slow moving cars driving through Hope city center? He had no scope of my speed. When I asked him where he scoped me, he said he was driving through the town on the opposite lane. How could he prove to the court that he could get an accurate reading this way and considering I was stuck among a few cars, it was incredible that he could pick me up as speeding and not others. It seemed to me a ticket given out based on the look of my flashy sporty car and perhaps he was looking for filling quota.
Anyway, the court day was in Hope, and I was a computer consultant. I don't need a computer to calculate the cost & benefit of disputing the ticket on its appointed weekday in Hope. The distance made it 'hopeless' and economically pointless to fight it. So I paid it. Should have checked into the possibility of requesting the court case to be relocated to Coquitlam or Vancouver instead. Can you make such a request?