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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: devon42 on October 19, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
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i currently have a baitcaster rod right now but I'm looking for an upgrade. and i see alot of people using a center pin reel. and i wanna know if its worth spending the money for a good center pin rod and reel combo.. or stick with the baitcaster. i also wanna know if it is harder to cast with a center pin? if i did end up buying one id probably buy the steelheader. and some kind of rod don't know yet.
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Sounds like you have some $$$ to spend. ;D I dont own a centepin, But I have fought a few fish on them and they bring a good fight to the table. I find that the baitcaster is more versitile, as It will give you a more percise cast and distance. A little of both worlds would be nice.
How did you find learning how to cast a baircaster? well its no different, just takes time and practice.
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Do a quick search, there are many threads all ready comapring the two types of reels. Its personal preferce really. A centerpin casts and drifts so much nicer in my opinion and it is a blast to play fish with one. That being said a levelwind is probably easier to cast in crowded areas and you have a quicker retrieve. Both have their high points and drawbacks but since i starting using a centerpin on the vedder, I have yet to go back to my baitcaster, it is just sitting idle. If you do purchase a setup but are on a budget, I would suggest buying the nicest reel you can afford. You'll enjoy a nicer reel with a cheap rod a lot more than a cheap reel with an expensive rod. An Islander like you suggested is a great reel, that is what i have now and love it. I used to have it paired with a trophy xl pin rod and was quite happy with the combo, but the sage I have now takes the cake :D
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thanks for the imput guys ill have to put in some thought as it is a big investment
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I have mostly used a level wind, but just about 3 months ago I got a centerpin, and I don't regret it. Much better line control and its a blast playing fish. :D
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i currently have a baitcaster rod right now but I'm looking for an upgrade. and i see alot of people using a center pin reel. and i wanna know if its worth spending the money for a good center pin rod and reel combo.. or stick with the baitcaster. i also wanna know if it is harder to cast with a center pin? if i did end up buying one id probably buy the steelheader. and some kind of rod don't know yet.
A centre pin is not an upgrade from a baitcaster lol. And you need way more river to land the fish; plus in my view fishing is not to about "playing" a fish - it's to catch and land it as quickly as possible so it has a better chance in surviving if released (I'd argue that is more ethical as well). But those "pinheads" have to be justify somehow on how much money they spent lol...
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A centre pin is not an upgrade from a baitcaster lol. And you need way more river to land the fish; plus in my view fishing is not to about "playing" a fish - it's to catch and land it as quickly as possible so it has a better chance in surviving if released (I'd argue that is more ethical as well). But those "pinheads" have to be justify somehow on how much money they spent lol...
Your opinions on Pins are out to lunch..
You don't need way more river to land fish, With a pin you get a more natural drift over a baitcaster, Fish are landed just as fast as they would with a baitcaster, if you know how to use a pin you would know this. If fishing wasnt for the fight of the fish what would it be for ?
I would also have to say that a Pin is a upgrade from a baitcaster, baitcasters have gears and drag to help you out with the fish, UPGRADE to a pin and try your skill at fighting a fish one on one with no help
Have you ever fished a pin for any length of time ? judging by your comments you don't really know what your talking about
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im with Aquaholic on this one. I can hammer down on fish with my pin, if you have seen me bring in fish you would know this is possible. The only time i might take it a bit easier is when a big spring is making me feel a bit undergunned with my rod and i dont wanna risk busting my rod :'(
I love fishing a pin and would never pick up a level wind unless im fishing the big river(fraser) for sockeye, could i BB with a pin, Yes i could but would i Hell No ::)
Use a pin DennisK and i bet once you learn to use it you will love it and the level wind will start gathering dust ;D My 3 level setups havent seen water since the last sockeye opening, sorry one saw water one day on the Squamish cause my younger brother was down and we went fishing.
Dont get me wrong there is one time i wish i had a levelwind while fishing and thats only when i want to swing blades without a float on, this is doable on a pin but alot more effective with a LW cause you can slowly reel in while it swings where it just doesnt seem to work as well with the pin. :-\
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I haven't noticed needing more river to land a fish
For me,
Pros:
*Better fight
*Potentially cheaper in the long run, people are using 50 year old silex's as opposed to getting a new baitcaster every 5 or ten?
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Neg:
*Heavier over baitcasters on average
*you can cast lighter weights/lures easier and further
*Retrieve ratio- slower retrieve after every cast reduces the amount of time your lure/bait is in the water.
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I would say that i really enjoy the simplicity of a pin but that has no functional bearing on the issue. I use pin, levelwind, spin, and fly.
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Here we go again ;D ;D
Devon, if you've got the money, spend it! ;)
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Your opinions on Pins are out to lunch..
You don't need way more river to land fish, With a pin you get a more natural drift over a baitcaster, Fish are landed just as fast as they would with a baitcaster, if you know how to use a pin you would know this. If fishing wasnt for the fight of the fish what would it be for ?
I would also have to say that a Pin is a upgrade from a baitcaster, baitcasters have gears and drag to help you out with the fish, UPGRADE to a pin and try your skill at fighting a fish one on one with no help
Have you ever fished a pin for any length of time ? judging by your comments you don't really know what your talking about
I fish with pinheads a lot of the time (it's gotten pretty trendy). And for about 10 years I've been watching them. In fact I owned a pin outfit for a season too. They (the majority) need way more water to land the fish and often play the fish to half death. It's more "fun" that way I suppose, but really I'm not picking a fight. You go to the river and next time watch closely how much longer the average pinhead takes to land a fish - and also fish survivability increases with the quickness of landing the fish without "playing it". But I'm willing to sacrifice some of my "fun" to get in a salmon asap, and you can't say that about pins.
Simple test. Hook into a 10 pound fish with a pin (don't even bother with a 25lbr - you know what happens lol). You simply must move around and down river to play it out so you can land it. With a proper drag and a baitcaster/spin reel you don't move from my spot, and don't interrupt my fellow fisherman/woman and increase fish survivability. But like I said, when people spend a ton of cash on something they have a tendency to try to justify it.
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I would say go for it..................you won't regret it. Just remember not to put too much line on your reel the first time you use it until you've got the mechanics of casting it down first. The steelheader spins reel fast cause of the bearings and it takes a bit of getting use to. Good luck!
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I fish with pinheads a lot of the time (it's gotten pretty trendy). And for about 10 years I've been watching them. In fact I owned a pin outfit for a season too. They (the majority) need way more water to land the fish and often play the fish to half death. It's more "fun" that way I suppose, but really I'm not picking a fight. You go to the river and next time watch closely how much longer the average pinhead takes to land a fish - and also fish survivability increases with the quickness of landing the fish without "playing it". But I'm willing to sacrifice some of my "fun" to get in a salmon asap, and you can't say that about pins.
Simple test. Hook into a 10 pound fish with a pin (don't even bother with a 25lbr - you know what happens lol). You simply must move around and down river to play it out so you can land it. With a proper drag and a baitcaster/spin reel you don't move from my spot, and don't interrupt my fellow fisherman/woman and increase fish survivability. But like I said, when people spend a ton of cash on something they have a tendency to try to justify it.
Man reading your posts makes me laugh.... I have been thinking about "your theory" that it takes longer to land a fish and I cannot fathom where you get your info and thoughts from, if you truly believe this statement then you are completely out to lunch !! there is absolutely no way that you need more room to land a fish with a centerpin. I will say this though, your uneducated ,out to lunch posts sure do raise alot of hackles !!
cheers
TH
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I fish with pinheads a lot of the time (it's gotten pretty trendy). And for about 10 years I've been watching them. In fact I owned a pin outfit for a season too. They (the majority) need way more water to land the fish and often play the fish to half death. It's more "fun" that way I suppose, but really I'm not picking a fight. You go to the river and next time watch closely how much longer the average pinhead takes to land a fish - and also fish survivability increases with the quickness of landing the fish without "playing it". But I'm willing to sacrifice some of my "fun" to get in a salmon asap, and you can't say that about pins.
Simple test. Hook into a 10 pound fish with a pin (don't even bother with a 25lbr - you know what happens lol). You simply must move around and down river to play it out so you can land it. With a proper drag and a baitcaster/spin reel you don't move from my spot, and don't interrupt my fellow fisherman/woman and increase fish survivability. But like I said, when people spend a ton of cash on something they have a tendency to try to justify it.
Here we go again Dennisk!!!! You were a one hell of a shi*** pin head i ever seen and heard,cause you never learn it right in the first place. Is ok,you have your right to say what ever you want,but please keep it to yourself.
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Centerpinning is simply a style of fishing that can be a lot of fun. The fact that you have manual control of the line is what most people like most. Kinda like how driving sports cars with a manual transmission and clutch keeps you in touch with the road.
Learning to cast is the epitome of frustration. Having somebody who fishes cp show you and coach you makes the learning a lot faster.
Yeah, drifting with the cp is great, but I've never had problems drifting with my levelwind either.
I'm fishing with an older Islander Steelheader with a Trophy IM8 cp rod. When I outgrow the rod I'll probably go Sage 3113.
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Here we go again Dennisk!!!! You were a one hell of a shi*** pin head i ever seen and heard,cause you never learn it right in the first place. Is ok,you have your right to say what ever you want,but please keep it to yourself.
lol. Ok, I'll be nice and quiet.
But only after you watch the pinners take their time playing the fish a lot longer then they need too because they are using gear to "enhance" the fisherman's experience versus the fish. Don't you care about putting the least amount of stress on the fish? You only have to watch how long it takes a reel without a drag to bring in a salmon versus a reel with drag. Just open your eyes and see what "most" pinheads are doing. I'll make a video for you of the pinheads on the vedder as they run down river with their 8 pound coho, pehaps you need some proof lol.
But chill out, it's all for "fun", right?
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You don't have to break the bank to buy a centerpin, they are pretty simple reels and don't have alot of moving parts so even cheap ones will perform well.
Centerpins and level winds both have their advantages and disadvantages. What I like about centerpins is their basic designs, they isn't alot than can go mechanically wrong with them. Unlike level winds where there is an internal drag system on a centerpin you use your fingers on the spool as a drag, when you get good at this you will be able to bring in fish faster than a level wind setup simply because you can keep the maximum amount of pressure on the fish at all times..
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lol. Ok, I'll be nice and quiet.
But only after you watch the pinners take their time playing the fish a lot longer then they need too because they are using gear to "enhance" the fisherman's experience versus the fish. Don't you care about putting the least amount of stress on the fish? You only have to watch how long it takes a reel without a drag to bring in a salmon versus a reel with drag. Just open your eyes and see what "most" pinheads are doing. I'll make a video for you of the pinheads on the vedder as they run down river with their 8 pound coho, pehaps you need some proof lol.
But chill out, it's all for "fun", right?
It really depends on the person. Some pinners take longer to land a fish as do some who use levelwinds. Personally, I can land a fish just as quickly on a pin as I can on a levelwind, and even if there is a slight difference, it's probably negligible. Lets get real here, if we were so concerned about putting less stress on fish as to use that argument as the only basis for not purchasing a pin, we'd all own "big bertha" rods and reels fitted with braided line so that we could haul them in as quickly as possible.
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interesting thread especially to someone who picked a sage 3113 mb and a a hardy suberba from pawnshops over a few years span plus an avon royal supreme. all were pretty good deals. i have not used them yet except to test the sage and silex. i found it a liittle hard to cast and thought that the next time, or for real, i might try the avon as it spins so smooth.
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If you buy a 4.25" CP, it can pick up as fast as most LW. Use you palm as a drag you can stop a frieght train and instance adjust the drag, any body think using CP take longer to land fish really should not make any comment cause you really have no clue.
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Don't you care about putting the least amount of stress on the fish?
But chill out, it's all for "fun", right?
If you really cared about the ethics of molesting small animals for amusement, you wouldn't be fishing and 'releasing' your fish. You'd just kill what you needed to eat, and stopped fishing after that.
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simply put, i recently purchased a centerpin, and i like it. :)
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From the line ratings/actions I've seen for most pin-rods I can see how dennisK would come to his conclusions.Most are faiirly light and soft action and perhaps not enough backbone.But this would put the blame on rod choice not reel choice.
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Wow, I got a 8 pound coho this morning on my PIN and I stood in one spot and that fish was in my hand and bonked in less than 1 minute, I should have recorded that so YOU could have proof that your wrong !!
I usually fish 8-10 pound leader and i can get a 20-30 pound white spring in less than 5 minutes standing in one spot. Only time i walk down with a fish is if im steelheading and the fish takes a crazy long run i will move to keep up with it and stay as close as possible to the fish as i can for better controll. That being said if you know how to angle the rod to make a fish turn its a whole lots easier.
Most people i observe out there with pins, hold there rod straight up and down waiting for the fish to come back will make it take longer to land then it should take, but learning the technique on knowing how and when to make a fish turn by angling the rod either the left or right side of your body or even the rod tip in the water either down or up stream depending on the area being fished will allow the fish to come to hand that much faster.
Get a pin and learn it and learn it well... doesnt matter if you have firends that have pins maybe they dont kow exactly what there doing and thats why your getting the wrong impression.
Just cause your using a pin doesnt mean you cant put the binders on the fish and turn that thing around and get it in fast !!
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lol. Ok, I'll be nice and quiet.
But only after you watch the pinners take their time playing the fish a lot longer then they need too because they are using gear to "enhance" the fisherman's experience versus the fish. Don't you care about putting the least amount of stress on the fish? You only have to watch how long it takes a reel without a drag to bring in a salmon versus a reel with drag. Just open your eyes and see what "most" pinheads are doing. I'll make a video for you of the pinheads on the vedder as they run down river with their 8 pound coho, pehaps you need some proof lol.
But chill out, it's all for "fun", right?
My father in law uses a spin with 80 or 85 lbs braided, and mono leaders of 40lbs. He uses a Okuma V65 on full tension and he is exactly like you. Brings them in super fast. And it is faster than I could on a pin simply cause I use 10lbs leader, but thats no slower than my levelwind with 10lbs leader. Dennis do you use really heavy line? Cause that might explain alot.
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Dennis how the H**L does a pin take longer to play a fish, u even said u owned one, u obvs didn't hook a alot of fish on it. My nube buddy who just got his new setup, landed a 15ish chum in less than 3 min, on 10lb leader NOT knowing what he was doing. sometimes i wonder man. . . You get way better control and understanding of a what a fish is going to do when ur playing it on a pin, and having a sticky drag in a baitcaster just makes me affraid to use one. I'm glad to be a pin head, and glad that i dont have to use a shitty baitcaster ever again.
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recently was given a pin, love it, way more fun and hands down you can catch more fish once you've got the hang of it...only con for me would be not being able to fish spoons and spinners on it (as well..). I recommend one 100%
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certain gear for certain spots fellas... no single rod/reel setup is best for the whole river.. it depends where/what type of water you are fishing. pros and cons to everything fellas...
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Put it this way. If EVERYONE had to use centerpins out on the flow,there would be a lot more room to fish out there ;). I would also like to say that 99.99% of the 12 foot leaders and little round weights would disappear as well too. ;D
People that have negative comments on centerpin fishing ,are simply the ones who don't have the skill to use one correctly. To me, using a centerpin correctly, is an art in itself, and definitely something the new angler will appreciate, once they get used to it :).
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luv these standard vs. automatic type debates. Each has distinct advantages, one is not an upgrade over the other. LW have mechanic advantage and drag and with that absolute control is reduced and more maintainance. Pins are dead simple, can't get much simpler than a spool of line, just don't ding it so baby it when you put the rod down.
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DennisK... I fish with pinheads a lot of the time (it's gotten pretty trendy). And for about 10 years I've been watching them. In fact I owned a pin outfit for a season too. They (the majority) need way more water to land the fish and often play the fish to half death.
Sounds like a group full of amateurs ;D
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To answer that original question. Yes you should buy a pin. They are the in thing to have. If you buy one people will have more respect for you and no one will ever be able to accuse you of being a flosser.
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Do a quick search, there are many threads all ready comapring the two types of reels. Its personal preferce really. A centerpin casts and drifts so much nicer in my opinion and it is a blast to play fish with one. That being said a levelwind is probably easier to cast in crowded areas and you have a quicker retrieve. Both have their high points and drawbacks but since i starting using a centerpin on the vedder, I have yet to go back to my baitcaster, it is just sitting idle. If you do purchase a setup but are on a budget, I would suggest buying the nicest reel you can afford. You'll enjoy a nicer reel with a cheap rod a lot more than a cheap reel with an expensive rod. An Islander like you suggested is a great reel, that is what i have now and love it. I used to have it paired with a trophy xl pin rod and was quite happy with the combo, but the sage I have now takes the cake :D
in my opinion i think you should get a nicer rod and an average reel cause the rod is the one that does all the work when you hook a fish and the way it feels when casting as to how it loads up,the reel is a one to one ratio so theres no difference when a fish is hooked on a islander or a cheaper reel.
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Having a centerpin used to mean something....Using a pin now means nothing, its the cool thing to do. Half of them dont even know how to use it properly, and are still snaggers....despite what some people may assume, when you buy a centerpin it does not make you gods gift to the angling world.
Oh and BTW, go expensive on the reel, buy an islander or Kingfisher and spent less on a good for the money rod like an amundson
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To answer that original question. Yes you should buy a pin. They are the in thing to have. If you buy one people will have more respect for you and no one will ever be able to accuse you of being a flosser.
sarcasm?...no? ;D
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nice reel/average rod vs. average reel/nice rod... as much as I hate to say it, I'll have to go with average reel/nice rod. the most important thing to consider IMO is castability. I'm not saying that a fast action rod can't be used with a pin but it's a lot tougher. if you get a nice rod with an average reel, it'll get the job done, but make sure you take care of the reel so it lasts you as long as possible. if you abuse the reel, you'll obvs. have to get another one so you may as well have gotten a nice reel to begin with. I'll stick with nice reel AND nice rod ;D
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I have never used a center pin reel, though, I have seen many people lately using them. I have always been a level wind kind of guy. Is there any difference?