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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on May 13, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
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Now with the Liberal Government in power for another 4 years all that drive a vehicle or heat our homes by natural gas will be stuck with the carbon tax.
Could someone please tell me why this will definitely help control greenhouse gas emissions. Is it supposed to make us drive less because it makes gas more expensive?
Please excuse me if I have missed an easy explanation.
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just palin stupid. >:( tax-tax-tax.......we even are taxed on our tax.
Its all about his "GREEN" projects..........like inshore oil drilling , killing our rivers, and putting powerlines in our parks............
kinda funny he's promoting such projects that are the largest producers of carbon emissions.
why would people vote for a convicted drunk ?????
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well, they make you feel guilty, then get at your money;
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meaningless project I guess ??? this is polite way of "show me the money"
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From how i understand it. It is supposed to make people "emit more evil CARBONS CO2" pay more to live their day to day lives but because of supposed income tax credits people who dont pollute more dont pay more at the end of the year.
But those brainless beuracrats dont even bother to admit that ever cent you increase the price of useing fossil fuels ALL of your expenses increase not just what you pay at the pump. Everything from food to mail to companys having to cut jobs to decrease labour cost in the face of rising costs of energy.
They think they are noble but all they are doing are throwing BUZZ words around like carbon and coming off as eco concious people when they are just as brainless as they were yesterday.
Thats all im going to say because topics like this always turn into huge political debats.
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It's call a "stealth tax" and it's been going on in the UK for years. If I remember correctly, we had about 68 stealth taxes 3 years ago.
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Now with the Liberal Government in power for another 4 years all that drive a vehicle or heat our homes by natural gas will be stuck with the carbon tax.
Could someone please tell me why this will definitely help control greenhouse gas emissions. Is it supposed to make us drive less because it makes gas more expensive?
Please excuse me if I have missed an easy explanation.
Yes, it is supposed to make you drive less due to the cost. They want to make other options more cost attractive, like purchasing a more fuel efficient vehicle, or taking transit, or carpooling, etc.
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We does a pack of smokes cost $6 for what ever it is...because there is a huge cost to our society from associated issues like lung cancer, emphasema, loss of productivity, etc, etc...I guess taxing the s**t outta a pack of smokes is a dumb idea too?!? exact same principle.
When I pick up my kids from school I see these people picking up a single kid in the honking big SUVs...usually the bigger the vehicle, the smaller the mum picking up her kids! There's one mum that can barely see over the dash of her Suburban! Anyhow, if these carbon taxes perswade one less person to buy another gas guzzling vehicle they can justify owning then I think its a good thing...sorry if it makes filling your boat up a little more expensive.
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I am not a fan of the carbon tax increase. It wont change how I use my vehicles or heat my house. I use my car when my wife doesn't need it (I have a F150), and keep the heat down low (even though my wife doesn't like it).
I live in the Fraser Valley where transit is a joke- yet I pay HUGE taxes to Translink. And getting closer to my work would mean getting further from my wifes work- and vice versa. HECK soon the Albion Ferry (free) is going to close and I am going to have the privilege of paying a TOLL to drive the most direct route to work= how does that make sense?
Has anyone looked into a hybrid or whatnot? It's FAR more expensive than the gas guzzlers. And guess what! I don't have the money to spend more on the front end to try and avoid yet another tax.
Give me a real incentive to change- and I will. TAX BAH HUMBUG!
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I am not a fan of the carbon tax increase. It wont change how I use my vehicles or heat my house. I use my car when my wife doesn't need it (I have a F150), and keep the heat down low (even though my wife doesn't like it).
I live in the Fraser Valley where transit is a joke- yet I pay HUGE taxes to Translink. And getting closer to my work would mean getting further from my wifes work- and vice versa. HECK soon the Albion Ferry (free) is going to close and I am going to have the privilege of paying a TOLL to drive the most direct route to work= how does that make sense?
Has anyone looked into a hybrid or whatnot? It's FAR more expensive than the gas guzzlers. And guess what! I don't have the money to spend more on the front end to try and avoid yet another tax.
Give me a real incentive to change- and I will. TAX BAH HUMBUG!
What incentive to change do you propose?
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Thats nothing, wait until you start seeing the effects of privatizing our Hydro...wow, sure am glad the Liberals got in for another 4 years, just good sound fiscal management...oh wait, no I meant thanks for selling us out to American corporations!!!
Thanks to all who voted in the Liberals again, do you mind if I send you my cost of living increases....ok, ok, how about just my energy increases...
Oh well, I guess its either have my dollars high jacked by buisiness or unions...decisions, decisions...
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What incentive to change do you propose?
I propose the money spent on building the transit system from the airport to downtown, that probably will be used by less than one percent of the people on this forum who are all paying for it, be better spent on the Port Mann bridge that at least 50% of this forum would probably use. I also propose funds be spent on the development of vehicles that do not rely on gas to run. Also these vehicles be priced so many more can afford and use the superior technology.
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I don't understand why everyday people that drive have to pay but gas and oil companies are exempt from paying the tax
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This was the reason I could no longer consider voting Liberal . It is rubbish , it was only done because it was the political flavour of the moment . It won't change people's driving habits , because most have NO alternative to what they do now. Only the greater Vancouver area has adequate transit, what are the rest supposed to do, quit their jobs so they won't have to drive anymore?
Besides our alleged experts don't even know what carbon even does does , does it cause global warming ? Or global cooling ? They don't talk about global warming much anymore , instead the term has now become " Climate Change" because they don't know what's going on anymore and this way they cover all their bases just in case the "climate Change " turns to cooling instead.
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I know the carbon tax is suposed to make you drive less, but what about the people up north where they've got only 2 or 3 frost free months this carbon tax covers heating oil too, are they supposed to live in colder houses because of the tax, or just live less comfortably?
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If the money generated by the carbon tax went into r&d of alternative energy sources I'd feel a little better about it.
It gives me little faith in our current gov't....it is an insult to all of our intelligence when they try to pawn it off as a program to curb greenhouse gas emissions when all it is is a cash grab. Bunch of snakes.
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Well I told 2 friends and they told 2 friends and so on and so on, and we still didn't change government last week, so I guess we'll just have to watch while Gordon welcomes the world for the Olympics, something about that image make me a tad ill. I don't understand the people of BC willing to give our province away for short term gains but I guess that is democracy and we just have to hope there is enough of BC left for our grandchildren after the next four years. The carbon tax is just another example of the Liberals giving the impression that they are doing something while getting nothing done.
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Just a tad melodramatic. Our grandchildren will have as much BC left as they can handle. Have a look at a map -- BC is a really big place. It would take several lifetimes to fish and explore all the great places in BC.
Well I told 2 friends and they told 2 friends and so on and so on, and we still didn't change government last week, so I guess we'll just have to watch while Gordon welcomes the world for the Olympics, something about that image make me a tad ill. I don't understand the people of BC willing to give our province away for short term gains but I guess that is democracy and we just have to hope there is enough of BC left for our grandchildren after the next four years. The carbon tax is just another example of the Liberals giving the impression that they are doing something while getting nothing done.
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It really is frustrating to the rest of BC, (anywhere outside the Valley) Wouldn't want to start seeing my heating bill in Prince George,
or the commuting cost of Cache Creek to Kamloops during the next jump in tax . Yes, this may be the start of the answer to stop our behaviors (is it really necessary to drive a 1-ton dodge dually?) that has caused some climate change, but truly, will everyone be hit equally? Will businesses pay just like consumers, will corporations pay the extra, or once again will it be just the average Joe blow taxpayer left with the bill, while the Multi nationals dodge into some shelter, and laugh. Think this wont happen, how many on this board managed to make it in to the 2nd tier billing for Hydro, as a result of the "green initiative" to make those who use more, pay more? Well after a little investigating and a few emails to Hydro, did you know its only the homeowners who pay more, business are not included in the 2nd tier billing, so if you run a large fabrication shop, with multitudes of welders, and other equipment, you are not included under this "green initiative", the reason from Hydro?? Its more efficient for them to deliver a large amount of electricity to high volume users , than to the average homeowner, so on one hand you have them telling you"its about conservation, and getting you to use less...and out of the other side of the mouth, its not about usage, but rather the efficiency of delivery.
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I have yet to figure out what good this tax will do to curb emissions, maybe this column gives the answer. :-\
Campbell's carbon tax may go way of dodo
U.S. likely to go for cap-and-trade, just as NDP proposed
By Michael Smyth, The ProvinceMay 21
Province provincial affairs columnist
The front page of last Sunday's New York Times contained a story sure to annoy anyone who thinks Gordon Campbell's carbon tax is a bold stroke of environmental genius.
The article looked at President Barack Obama's policy approach to global warming and how his administration plans to curb the emission of greenhouse gases that cause it. (Here's a hint: It's not with a carbon tax.) Obama favours the "cap-and-trade" model, where the government places a ceiling on emissions and allows polluting industries to buy and sell permits to meet it.
"Cap-and-trade has been embraced by President Obama, Democratic leaders in Congress, mainstream environmental groups and a growing number of business interests, including energy-consuming industries like autos, steel and aluminum," the Times reported.
And while cap-and-trade rules the White House, the Obama administration has effectively ruled out a carbon tax for the U. S., the article said.
Why? Politics, mainly. When then- president Bill Clinton proposed a national energy tax back in the 1990s, the idea went down in flames and the Democrats lost control of Congress. Cap-and-trade, by contrast, is more politically salable. It has a proven U.S. track record, too, helping stop the environmental scourge of acid rain.
So where does all this leave little old British Columbia and Campbell's precious carbon tax? Out in the cold. The carbon tax is now effectively dead, south of the border. And if cap-and-trade becomes a reality in the U.S., Canada will surely follow suit, snuffing out any more carbon-tax brainstorms here as well.
In other words, British Columbia will be going it alone with a carbon tax, while the rest of North America takes a different path in the fight against global warming.
Is it any wonder Campbell now says he might strangle his own carbon-tax baby in the cradle? In one of the great under-reported stories of the B.C. election, Campbell revealed the carbon tax will be reviewed in 2012 and might be frozen in place at 7.24 cents per litre of gas and not rise any further.
"A lot of environmentalists want it to keep going up," Campbell told me on the campaign trail. "I think you have to find a balance. It could go up or you could leave it as it is." But wait: Isn't the whole point of a carbon tax to keep jacking it up every year until people stop burning those evil fossil fuels? Even Campbell's own climate-change adviser, economist Mark Jaccard, says the tax must rise to 24 cents a litre and higher over a decade and beyond to be effective.
But Campbell told me that may not be necessary, if cap-and-trade does the same job anyway. (Read more of the premier's comments at my blog, address listed below.) The irony here is that this is exactly what NDP Leader Carole James was arguing when she promised to scrap the carbon tax in favour of cap-and-trade. She was vilified for doing it while Campbell was hailed as some kind of visionary.
My prediction: As cap-and-trade becomes the standard for North America, Campbell's carbon tax will be frozen and forgotten, though it will have served its political purpose of softening his hard-edged image.
msmyth@theprovince.com