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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sterling C on April 27, 2009, 10:43:32 PM
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Recently my parents asked me what I would like for a graduation present and I have decided to ask for a center pin.
I'm looking for a little advise on which one to ask for. Budget isn't really that much of an issue here (since I'm not picking up the tab ;D) but it does have to be left handed so that should limit the number of options. I wouldn't mind hearing so pros and cons of the various options out there. Comments like Islander = Good are not helpful.
Thanks.
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Talisman in Left hand, 4"
Kingfisher bearing or bushing 4 3/8, 5"
King pins series 1,2,3- 5"
All avaiable at Berry's bait and tackle
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Sterling. You could just do what I do and reel right handed with a centrepin and left with everything else. It takes like a day of fishing to get used to reeling right handed, and by that point you still wont be able to cast it. LOL. Plus if you reel right handed you will never be limited on the model you can buy. All old school reels are right hand retrieve.
You've seen what I fish. The Islander can be a brute to fish all day but it's damn smooth and a beautiful looking reel. I do like the looks of the Kingfishers and I know they are very well made and probably a bit lighter than the Islander. The ideal combo for what you fish would be a 3113 Sage and a 4 3/8" Kingfisher IMO.
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I have two Islanders and I'm a lefty on the retrieve. I just switch the way I put the line on. Works just fine for me!
Hotrod
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I have a bunch of center pins but my most recent purchases are a Kingfisher and an Islander. Both are beautiful reels but I think my kingfisher starts up a little easier. That certainly makes casting ligther weights a bit easier. Either way they are both great reels/choices.
Biff, drop me an email an we can chat somemore.
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If you get one from John directly, you can even have him etch/engrave? something in for you since its a grad present. Are you thinking bearing or bushing?
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i think if u are able to get them, go with either the kingfisher or the kingpin. I've owned 2 bearing reels, and 2 bushing reels. and in my honest opinion the bushing reels ran smoother, and quieter than either of the bearing reels i had.
the kingpin is a bearing, but it has been getting outstanding reviews, so i think it would be worth a look at. Where the talisman and kingfisher reels have been around for so long, and continue to be dependable.
(i want a macdonald, but chances of me getting one are slim!)
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Although most will disagree, if i were you I'd get a nice level wind setup instead. Everyone and there dog has a centerpin plus I prefer my levelwind over my centerpin anyday and can make 3 times as many casts.
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I love Kingfisher bushing 4 3/8"
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DionJL, just wondering what you mean by "the islander can be a brute to fish all day.." I have fished an islander for the last two years or so, I love it. Chose it for its great feel and smoothness, looks, and the fact that it is one of a few centerpins that are built locally. I have felt most of the others, and I might consider a Kingpin one day, but if I want to fish for Steeles/coho more than 6lbs, and springs up to 60lbs (maybe one day...) I always fish the Islander. I am also wondering if anyone has installed the higher quality bearings into their Islander CP, and if they noticed much of a difference?
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I've been told that there are bearings that you can get for the islander CP that make it as smooth as the most expensive CP's. This is possible at a fraction of the cost of the upgrade from islander. The person who was telling me this mentioned Apex bearings.
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I've done a little looking around and the Milner Kingfisher is starting to look like a good option.
Would somebody be able to compare the performance of a Kingfisher to a Talisman or is it more of a nostalga thing that separates them.
Also, would you recommend the bushing model or the bearing model? What about the optional line guides and check lever knob?
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Although most will disagree, if i were you I'd get a nice level wind setup instead. Everyone and there dog has a centerpin plus I prefer my levelwind over my centerpin anyday and can make 3 times as many casts.
I already own a high end levelwind. Trust me, I won't be hanging it up once I get a pin, however, I feel that each reel has its advantages in certain situations so its good to be flexible.
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I am also wondering if anyone has installed the higher quality bearings into their Islander CP, and if they noticed much of a difference?
You'd be paying close to $100 for upgraded bearings(supposed to be just better quality) from Islander and you would barely notice any difference, also it's not advised that you swap them out yourself as you would void any warranty if it still applied. The reel is fine the way it is, no need to do anything to it.
If you go through BC Bearings, a set of ABEC 7 or ABEC9 bearings will probably set you back around $25-35. Don't know about Islander's warranty being voided though so you might want to check on that. Just bring the original bearings down to them in the morning, they'll spec and measure them, contact their warehouse and you'll get them in the afternoon. I've done this with other reels and it makes a world of difference. But from what I understand is that the only real difference with the ABEC grading numeric system is the higher the number, the higher the tolerances. Oh, and make sure to ask for either Japanese or German manufactured bearings as they are supposed to have better quality control than the US or India made ones. Just what I've heard.
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Although most will disagree, if i were you I'd get a nice level wind setup instead. Everyone and there dog has a centerpin plus I prefer my levelwind over my centerpin anyday and can make 3 times as many casts.
"What Center Pin?"....I don't see anywhere in there that asks about a levelwind!
Haha, just thought I'd pass on my experience, didn't mean to get you so upset ;)
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that kingfisher is a good choice, and from my experiences a good quality bushing is better than a bearing.
good luck with ur new setup!
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"[Bushing or Bearing:
It's personal preference really and it depends on your fishing style. The way we fish here in BC with the larger floats and pencil lead, the bushing would be a good choice and won't need much start up because of the weight.
Now..if you use smaller floats(below 20gm) and tiny split shot, bearing reels are good. Easy start up with a light setup in slow flowing water creating a drag free drift.
If your style varies then a bearing reel would be your best bet because it's overall performance will match whatever float/weight setup you go with.
It's tough to really say what to go with, the best thing to do is test one out if you know someone that has the reels you are interested in.
Solid points. Bearings do offer better start up overall and will work better in very slow flows. Although, a bushing reel that is well broken in is also has a pretty low start up.
Also, bushing reels are simpler in design and easy to take apart on the flow. If you get some grit in your bearing reel and you need to take it apart to clean it (because dunking didn't work) it's easy. On some bearing reels there is a bearing cover with tiny screws that need to be removed in order to access the innards.
If you're seriously considering the Milner, and you want to be traditional, stick with the bushing design, provided you're mainly fishing rivers with decent flow. Vedder, Chehalis, Stave, etc. If you're fishing some backwater sloughs with really low flows consider the bearing model and then you may even consider upgrading the bearings yourself later. The bearing model will have better start up right out of the box compared to the bushing model.
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the newer kingfishers are not up to the quality of the older ones, ask anyone who has owned or used both... i have 2 talisman reels kingfishers and they are sweet, i owned an islander for years and sold it but it was bullet proof, i own 2 kingpins...they have had problems with the back screw and other quality issues,but do spin well.
one of the greatest reels imo is the Seldex II 4.5'' reel.
my pick would be the seldex II or an older kingfisher.
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you said that financing wasn't an issue right biffchan?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Salmon-Steelhead-Center-Pin-HANSON-FLOAT-REEL_W0QQitemZ110384041616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item110384041616&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A4|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A200
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Can anyone give me a run down on casting with a centerpin reel?
I read an article in a magazine which lead me to belive it was in some ways similar to a levelwind.
But after the reading the rest of the article i'm more confused than I was before.
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Anyone everheard of a JW Young center pin reel (Bob James Or Purist 2)
I'm pretty sure it's mde by cortland.
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Can anyone give me a run down on casting with a centerpin reel?
I read an article in a magazine which lead me to belive it was in some ways similar to a levelwind.
But after the reading the rest of the article i'm more confused than I was before.
I know what you mean. When I first started out with the centerpin I did a lot of research online into casting methods... nottingham cast, wallis casts and many more which got confusing really quickly. But I find that the go-to method (out on the west coast anyways) is to simply hold the rod and let the reel loose (allowing for your setup to drop momentarily and gain momentum) then just swing it out like a levelwind. But make sure you put the breaks on the reel before your float hits the water or you'll end up with a big birds nest. Hope this helps.
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Anyone everheard of a JW Young center pin reel (Bob James Or Purist 2)
I'm pretty sure it's mde by cortland.
lol no jw young and sons is a company from the UK. bob james is a famous angler after which the reel was made, it and the purist are both bearing reels, cortland i believe bought the rights to them or something like that but i think it may have been sold back, i havent heard much about it lately.
they are sweet reels though and spin very nicely
http://www.jwyoungs.co.uk/reels.htm
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Well there is a listing in the 09 cortland catalog for 3 reels made by JW Young.
Any idea as to how many peso's a reel such as that is worth?
Anyone everheard of a JW Young center pin reel (Bob James Or Purist 2)
I'm pretty sure it's mde by cortland.
lol no jw young and sons is a company from the UK. bob james is a famous angler after which the reel was made, it and the purist are both bearing reels, cortland i believe bought the rights to them or something like that but i think it may have been sold back, i havent heard much about it lately.
they are sweet reels though and spin very nicely
http://www.jwyoungs.co.uk/reels.htm
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Kingfisher