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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on January 15, 2009, 07:08:34 PM
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Had this sent to me today.
Help your community w river monitoring and educated kids around the world by helping Kids In The Nest keep their River Cam: (every little bit helps)
Kids In The Nest Educational Society has set up the River Cam on the Chilliwack/Vedder River(s) and it is a ROARRING SUCCESS! But there is a problem, it is TOO successful. It is getting millions of hits which has really increased their broad band costs, not to mention they have been paying separate Internet costs for an extra camera and computer. Much of it is paid out of pocket, by a couple living on pension, not to mention they put in endless hours work, on this site! IF YOU CAN AT ALL PLEASE MAKE A DONATION either in person or on their site (
it will close down w/o our help).
They have applied for a grant that will keep the River Cam going; but even if they are approved, it will take six months to come through. Meanwhile they need to raise at least $2,000.00 to keep it going while they wait for word on the grant. Kids in the nest is a registered non-profit society and can give tax receipts. Payments can be made to Pay pal or by mail. On line donations can be made at this Web Site URL:
http://kidsinthenest.com/Donations.aspx
What would it take to help: 100 people, local societies, businesses, or organizations to faithfully give $20.00 a month for six months; (or a total of $120.00 1x)
Or for 100 people to give a 1x donation of $20.00 or so, please do so if you can every little bit helps!
WHY should YOU help - because it is a monitoring system for our river and an education for this and future generations and has potential to help pay for work on the river, put computers in our classrooms, educate people so they properly treat, maintain and preserve our natural resources and more! But they have to first get around the initial and maintenance costs while they apply for grants or funding that will help them to continue. These are volunteers who have gone to a great deal of work and expense to help and educate communities around the world, including ours let's help them make it happen.
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its a good Idea with the derby coming up. Perhaps a donation is in order.
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its a good Idea with the derby coming up. Perhaps a donation is in order.
I was thinking the same thing when I read their request for some funding help.
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how about how much gas it saves some people! besides if your not doing anything wrong what are you worried about?
I enjoy watching the camera from my home in new west.
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Paranoid.................
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Nop. I just don't think its right to zoom in on fisherman. I also don't think its lawful to put up pictures or videos of people without their consent. I may be wrong though.
If you dont like it dont fish where the camera is. How hard is that? Its a HUGE river. Do you use ATM's? Do you walk into stores? Your always on camera so who cares.........If you look at it the quality is not even that great. Unless you really know the person you could never tell who someone is.
Its NOT an invasion of privacy because you are on PUBLIC land. If your going to say something atleast know what your talking about... ::)
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I too enjoy watching the camera from home and see nothing wrong with what they do.
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If you dont like it dont fish where the camera is. How hard is that? Its a HUGE river.
With all due respect, some people don't know where the camera is located.
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If there is a concern regarding how the camera is being used, then email info@kidsinthenest.com.
The camera can certainly have practical purposes such as aiding anglers on river condition. Not so sure about the entertaining purpose. watching the camera zooming in and out, going in all directions like a surveillance camera does not interest me that much. Although perfectly legal, as someone who operates both still and video cameras quite regularly, I've learned to be aware and respect others' privacy. Best of luck to the site owner. It is definitely not cheap to operate a site that receives a large traffic volume.
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So, where is this camera, out of curiosity ???
Doja
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I don't like the idea of not knowing there is a camera zooming in on me. You could be scratching your butt or something and the next thing you know your on youtube. With people making fun of something you thought or would only do out of the public eye. They should have some signs up saying its a videoed area. I'm not admitting to scratching my butt it's just an example. :)
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Hey I think I just saw big foot, or was it a dog, it may have even been a bear, no wait I think it is a fishermen. The quality is not good enough to see who it is, I wish it was that way we could see what bait he/she is using LOL ;D
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could have been bentrods, with his shirt off. ;D ;)
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this camera is viewed by people all over the world, it was not put there to give away someones spot. It was put there to show children from africa the changes in our seasons. After seeing the "fisherpersons" eagles, and other wildlife it was a hit. I dont think you should slag someone who spends thier free time educating children in africa.
I will do my part to see this camera stays.
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Die Hard: Who is this friend that the comment was supposedly made to? I was there on the day of installation when this issue of privacy came up and do not remember the discussion being exactly as you describe it? This site operator is VERY aware of and respectful to people's privacy and would never put inappropriate material on U-Tube. Remember it is a site for Kids! Are you repeating gossip or 2nd or 3rd hand information here? People have actually asked to be zoomed in on. Some love it and even waive to the folks back home, and ask be on U tube etc. It is only on one small part of the river, which is easily avoidable if you are not happy with it. There are a lot of benefits to the camera. It was very beneficial in our recent flood and slide situation as we can see what is happening down there. It is pretty hard to tell who the people are anyhow. This is the best way to educate kids around the world; they are excited to see our river, our fish, our country, the mountains, snow, the kayakers etc. This is seen in over 100 countries and they have lots of fishing questions. It is actually promoting our area. It also has the ability to raise funds for humanitarian type purposes. All the benefits and enjoyment people are getting FAR outweighs any negatives. The only downfall is the kids are disappointed that more fishermen are not holding up their fish to show them on the Camera. The kids in South Africa do not see Steelhead, Salmon or Sturgeon. A U-Tube video of that would be great. They also love to see the Eagles. This camera is a total success, educating kids of all ages around the world and we wholeheartedly support it. So those of you who do not mind being on camera waive to the camera and HOLD UP YOUR FISH SO THE KIDS CAN SEE IT!!
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Die hard, I am amazed at how negative, and unmoving you are on this. The river and nature is everyone's to enjoy and this is a public area after all - there is no ownership here! I was there when the camera was installed and believe the comment that was made was that no one would be deliberately caught on camera, or zoomed in on, when on their own private property without their permission. I live right by the camera and simply asked them not to zoom in on me; and they have respected that! But many have agreed, or requested actually, to be filmed and others were in a public place.
The purpose was to film nature, Eagles, animals, the river rafters etc. It was not there to film people or the fishermen, per se, but the kids from various places around the world started asking about the fish and fishing here out of interest. (Schools use this Kids In The Nest site as it is VERY educational). And some fishermen and residents were more than happy, even excited, to go on camera for these kids!
Have you been to the Kids In The Nest Website and seen all the information there from experts?? Maybe you should check it out before commenting so negatively? It is, indeed, a VERY Educational site and quite amazing; featuring David Szuiki, Dr. Jane Goodall, and many more highly educated EXPERTS in various fields of environmental issues affecting our planet!
I am not part of the Kids In The Nest Society, but I did start the e-mail, which Chris Gadsen posted, stating we should help them! They would never ask for help themselves but fact is it is EXPENSIVE and these people operating the cameras, and putting out a lot of the funding, do live on pension and have made educating the current and next generation how to appreciate, respect, and protect/maintain our natural resources their "retirement project".
I am convinced that these people have really been more than generous with their time, talents and resources and MONEY; and we all have a responsibility to the coming generations to appreciate and protect our natural resources. We should all help with that, not criticize those taking the time and energy to do it!
Besides, if I, or anyone else, really wanted to we could actually go to the river and film whatever and post it on U-Tube - and some people do! But these people are careful what they post on U-Tube and what/who they zoom in on. And it is, after all, only one very small section of a very large river system and if you are at the spot the camera is quite visible so look at the surroundings and if you see similar surrounds, or the camera, when fishing and if so simply pick another spot - do not be so "selfish" with the river and the natural resources - there are more than enough other spots you can go to fish! Surely we can share this one small bit of the river with kids world wide - they deserve it and the people who put out time, money and energy to do this deserve our support! If you do not want to support it fine - but do not harass or criticize those of us who see it as a very worthwhile project.
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riverbetty, don't be too bothered by one person's vocal opposition. It's just another day on the internet discussion forums, you can't please them all.
I recommend that you all agree on disagreeing and sway the discussion back to the original topic, which was to help the camera. Two items that should be discussed further: How the camera can be saved financially and what improvements can be made on the operation of the camera.
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Right Rodney. Let's not get distracted. I have nothing to do with the Society itself or operation of the Camera so that is something you would have to e-mail KITNES on. My understanding is they are paying about $300.00 a month out of pocket for the operation of the river cam alone and currently there is no funding for that. They have applied for a grant but it can take up to six months to come in. So guess, in the meantime, they need to raise about $1,800.00 for expenses.
I think they could do pay per click ads IF they had about $6,000.00 to start up; but I am not sure how it works. I do believe money raised from the pay per click ads that could go back into that community for projects that could keep things flowing properly on the river (if you will pardon the pun). That would benefit the fishermen; and the community at large. As you well know this is slide and flood area and things need to be done on the river that there just seems to be no funding for.
OR KITNES corporate sponsors also seem to do humanitarian projects like helping the kids in Africa, so maybe if they had pay per click ads the money would go to something like wells in an area that has no water at all. Ask them as this is my understanding, but 2nd hand information. I just think anything we can do to help the river, or others who need it more than we do and educate the current and next generation on proper maintenance and preservation of natural resources is more than worthwhile. Thank You for posting this and getting the word out there.
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I think Die hard is just being practical in his views. Asking for donations is never easy but do not be surprised if the amounts are small and in between. After Christmas a lot of folks don't have much extra cash to donate, and with this recession we are in they may be worried just how long they can hold on to their job. With the amount of homeless people in the Chilliwack area, and the recent flooding that has occurred from my perspective there are plenty of problems to take care of in our own backyard.
However, with that being said, if you can get provincial funding grants, to cover your costs more power to you. After all the province seems to be able to find cash to cover the cost overruns of the 2010 Winter Olympics.
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Right. We are not asking for the big $$$ here. ::) Just enough to keep it up and running until the grant comes through; as you say we are in a recession...even more reason $300.00 put on one couple for the next six months is just not doable! But if 100 people could donate just $20.00 it would be covered! Honestly, most of us spend that much on less worthwhile things; even in a recession. That is less than the cost of dinner out for two; lunch money for a couple of days, your coffee or beer money for the week or whatever. Not a really big sacrifice for such a good cause.
Have you seen this site? It is really a very educational tool for people of all ages to learn how to properly manage our natural resources and appreciate all the beautiful things we have in nature - the fish included.
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The purpose was to film nature, Eagles, animals, the river rafters etc. It was not there to film people or the fishermen, per se, but the kids from various places around the world started asking about the fish and fishing here out of interest.
>:( Had it follow me everywhere the other day. Want to know about fishing? Maybe suggest a site more oriented towards fishing?
Out of curiosity how does this camera help the slide situations, river, properly manage our resources, or the fish?
Hey ghost fish,when did you become the canada most wanted ;D
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If you dont like it dont fish where the camera is. How hard is that? Its a HUGE river. Do you use ATM's? Do you walk into stores? Your always on camera so who cares.........If you look at it the quality is not even that great. Unless you really know the person you could never tell who someone is.
Video from ATM's, stores etc... are not usually broadcast to the public unless it is used to try and catch a criminal. So I think that it is kinda irrelevant to the issue. Just my thought.
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If you dont like it dont fish where the camera is. How hard is that? Its a HUGE river. Do you use ATM's? Do you walk into stores? Your always on camera so who cares.........If you look at it the quality is not even that great. Unless you really know the person you could never tell who someone is.
Video from ATM's, stores etc... are not usually broadcast to the public unless it is used to try and catch a criminal. So I think that it is kinda irrelevant to the issue. Just my thought.
Sorry but your wrong
Their are many TV shows that show people on camera who didnt know they were on camera. Ever watch the News? On the news its not always to try and catch a criminal either. Than their are reality shows that show people on camera all the time. Check out shows on Spike TV. They do shows with people on public cameras. Worlds Most Amazing Videos, Disorderly Conduct just to name a couple.
I dont want to hijack this thread so I wont say anymore on the above comments.
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I had a long conversation with the woman who runs this camera and I suggest anyone that has a problem with it gets in touch with her, I am a little shocked with a couple of the comments on this thread.... but I guess it is to be expected. As Jetboat said this camera was originally set up to show children in Africa what four seasons look like !! some of these children have never seen mountains, rivers, fishermen , fishing rods etc.... for them to see snow, eagles fish and even once in a while a fish being caught is amazing !!! instead of getting angry and complaining about your privacy why not speak with the operator and find someway of showing them you wish not to be filmed , for example if you are fishing whithin site of the camera and you do not want to be filmed give her a thumbs down.... if you don't mind and want to provide someone a little entertainment give her a thumbs up !!
Of course like usual there will always be pros and cons, I think in this case the pros definately out weigh the cons !!
we are talking about a very smalll section of a very large river ...
go to www.kidsinthenest.com and let them know what you think, if you like the website and think like myself that they are providing a great service then sign up!!
like I said before this is a great website the lady who runs it is fantastic !!!! I only wish I had heard about it sooner
cheers TH
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The camera is not located in a very popular stretch of the river where there are allot of anglers . Unless it can zoom in on the people way up river a 1/4 mile fishing below the clay banks ??? . Personally , I haven't seen any one fishing that stretch of river and I have been there quite often . I can't understand what the fuss is all about . Peace ;D
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The camera is not located in a very popular stretch of the river where there are allot of anglers . Unless it can zoom in on the people way up river a 1/4 mile fishing below the clay banks ??? . Personally , I haven't seen any one fishing that stretch of river and I have been there quite often . I can't understand what the fuss is all about . Peace ;D
Sorry I had to weigh in on this as well... long time lurker first time poster. I totally agree with these sentitments... who fishes in that spot right there truthfully? Move away if you don't like it... I for one absolutely love the idea and support it totally.
By the way... kind of neat to see the mention of this site right on the www.kidsinthenest.com main page...maybe bring some new blood to these boards.
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In case some of missed the topic a the very top of the board, this year's Trophy Hunter Steelhead Derby will be donating its proceeds to support Kids on the Nest so the cam's future would not be jeopardized. :) Make sure you come out and participate at this fun event on February 15th. More information at:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=19548.0
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Great idea for the kids!!
Anyone going to contribute?
As for the invasion of privacy, if it's on the public land there should be no problem!
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The point is it's ilegal!
On a private property you have to write somewhere that pictures are taken; now on a public property
everybody of us should agree on this; And we don't.Just like with the cameras on roads that were shut down.
Probably somebody with his picture taken will sue sooner or later.
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The point is it's ilegal!
On a private property you have to write somewhere that pictures are taken; now on a public property
everybody of us should agree on this; And we don't.Just like with the cameras on roads that were shut down.
Probably somebody with his picture taken will sue sooner or later.
LOL
The camera is legal. I asked a lawyer.