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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hook-NM on June 05, 2008, 08:05:32 PM
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The email below might be of interst for recreational boaters:
Mandatory use of Personal Floatation Devices ("PFDs") on small recreational vessels
The need for the Canadian Government to pass a regulation for the mandatory use of Personal Floatation Devices ("PFDs") on small recreational vessels under six metres in length is far overdue.
Each year in Canada, people drown in rivers, lakes and ocean waters. Statistics show that 89% of persons who died were not wearing PFDs. In 31% of the cases, PFDs were not even present on the vessels involved. The mandatory use of PFDs could have prevented a large number of these predictable, preventable deaths.
Current Government regulations require only the presence of PFDs in the vessel. These regulations do not consider the difficulties in locating and donning on a PFD during an emergency, an event that becomes even more complicated when one is already in the water.
Most drowning occurs within ten metres of safety. People do not consider themselves to be at risk due to their perceived swimming ability, boating experience, availability of PFDs in the vessel, and their familiarization with the area.
The ongoing promotion of safety messages is not enough. We must change the behavioral patterns of the recreational boaters through much needed regulation such as was the case with seat belts in automobiles and helmets for bicycle riders.
Current research and opinion polls indicate that the public would support such mandatory wear legislation with an immediate 84-93% compliance rate.
CPS needs to take the lead in working to increase awareness of the significance and impact of boating related drowning in Canada by asking its members to support and advocate the required wearing of PFDs by all members at all times when operating a vessel six metres or less in length.
PROPOSAL:
To determine the level of support for the wearing of PFDs at all times when operating a vessel six metres or less in length and to help guide the legislators, please assist CPS National by completing the brief PFD Wear survey directly online at http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/?p=WEB227UXU7V5YX.
This topic can also be discussed on the new CPS Forum under Governmental Issues.
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Canadian Power & Sail Squadrons / Les Escadrilles canadiennes de plaisance
(CPS-ECP)
26 Golden Gate Court
Scarborough, Ontario M1P 3A5
416-293-2438 / 1-888-277-2628
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It would be nice if they gave you the results so far, after you did the survey.
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I would support under 16 having to wear PFDs... but adults?? Nope. There are too many variables involved. And last time I checked, an individual is the primary person resonsible for his/her safety
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I hate wearing them but will soon be wearing on at all times. This is what I want to get
(http://image.basspro.com/images/images2/Lago/1206508_i-531782.jpg)
Very lightweight and not constrictive. Good for the big boat and the 10 footer. They are not cheap though. Over $200
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PFD's are sort of like house insurance, or any other type of insurance for that matter.
You don't need it until you need it!!
I have good ol' lifejackets in my boat any time I go out, but they're cumbersome, better suited for sitting on rather than strapping them on, but none-the-less, I still wear mine every time I go out. Flat water or not, it doesn't matter. I also strap on my seat belt in the car every time I start the ignition.
Last Xmas my wife bought me one of the Mustang PFD , but it wasn't the type that automatically inflates when coming into contact with water, so I took it back. I am really worried that if I, a fly caster, stand up and cast and loose my balance, hit my head, knocked out, I won't be able to pull the cord to inflate the PFD. I feel safer wearing the old fashioned type. The store didn't have the model I was looking at, so I'm still stuck with the soft cushion type. I wear the thing, but would really like to have the automatic inflatable type.
My butt doesn't hurt though!! ::)
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2 things of note here-
1-Power Squadron has far too much time on it's hands.
2- People are wussies.
That is all.
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SS,
Wussies?
No, just husbands / fathers who don't want to leave widows / children wondering why I didn't strap on the life jacket when everybody knows that is the safe and sensible thing to do.
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SS,
Wussies?
No, just husbands / fathers who don't want to leave widows / children wondering why I didn't strap on the life jacket when everybody knows that is the safe and sensible thing to do.
I agree
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That will interfere with fishing big time...
I wear one when I'm running the jet, but once the anchor is down, it comes off.
That will not change.
Cheers,
Nicole
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BB i use one of those when im wading faster water or pontooning. You won't even notice having it on. The "wussy" argument sounds like one a high school kid might make in front of his friends. You'd rather appear tough and look like the cool guy than show a little bit of personal responsibility. Grow up.
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That will interfere with fishing big time...
I wear one when I'm running the jet, but once the anchor is down, it comes off.
That will not change.
Cheers,
Nicole
You betcha!
You'd rather appear tough and look like the cool guy than show a little bit of personal responsibility. Grow up.
If I fall in and drown it's my responsibility-I don't expect anyone anyone like Power Squadron (whom I used to respect a lot more before I realised what a bunch of old whingers they are) , the Govt or internet know-it-alls to interfere. ::)
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The problem here is that if you take a dunk, the people risking their lives and spending money saving your hiney, don't know you from Tom or Fred. They assume you'd prefer to be rescued, and do their job. It makes things a lot cheaper and easier if you're floating then sinking.
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SS rather than stoop to your level and call you names, I'm just going to say that I would happily interfere with your falling in and drowning, even if it pissed you off that I, or any other "wussy internet know-it-alls" did so. I don't think that wearing a pfd should be mandated, except for kids, since there are a lot of ignorant parents out there who take their children's safety (and their own) for granted. If you're an adult, fine, do whatever you want....thats up to you...but don't call people "wussies" because they put a higher value on their life than you do with your own....
So what possible argument can somebody make for not wearing a pfd that you don't even notice you have on until you need it???? Cost could be the only one I can think of, to me my life is worth a couple hundred bucks easily.
Nicole I have never had an issue with the "sos"penders getting in the way of fishing, in the least. Inflated, maybe, but then you'll have other things on your mind :)
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This argument sounds eerily similar to the ones in the US for motorcycle helmets and seatbelts. PDF's are not mandated in the US for adults, but they are for kids on vessels under 24 feet. The cost argument hardly holds water. Boats are expensive and you can buy a new USCG approved Type 3 vest for 5 bucks.
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Nicole I have never had an issue with the "sos"penders getting in the way of fishing, in the least. Inflated, maybe, but then you'll have other things on your mind :)
Heh you don't have the ahem, 'gear' I have by nature that already gets in the way, let alone when my lifejacket is on ;)
Cheers,
Nicole
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This argument sounds eerily similar to the ones in the US for motorcycle helmets and seatbelts. PDF's are not mandated in the US for adults, but they are for kids on vessels under 24 feet. The cost argument hardly holds water. Boats are expensive and you can buy a new USCG approved Type 3 vest for 5 bucks.
Reckless people will be reckless regardless of laws anyways, my cousin was in a serious motorcycle crash two years ago, drunk, not wearing his helmet. He's always been that way and it was time to pay the piper. You can make the laws but reckless people will still be reckless. To me it is better to allow people to retain control over their own well being than blanket them in rules and laws that will be broken anyways by those who don't feel like following them.
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This all sounds well and good, but seldom does one's behavior not effect many others. Many rescuers and first responders put their lives on the line every day trying to save these reckless people.
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My daughter is a lifeguard and had to rescue 3 people last week. Lucky for them that they were at the pool with guards on duty. Accidents happen when you least expect and boating generally leaves us on our own if a mishap occurs.
An acquaintance of mine who had a cabin up Indian Arm was making a solo trip there. Heading up under full throttle his steering cable failed and an abrupt turn totalled the boat on some rocks and rendered him unconscious from being thrown onto the same reef. He was lucky to awake but obviously injured from a collision of that velocity. Who would think a face plant into rocks was lucky? He had no PDF on! Had he been thrown into the water he would not be with us today. So think twice about your discomfort while under power and live to enjoy the water.
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I wear my Lifejacket at all times out in my canoe.
But as an adult, I think its my choice, and shouldn't need to be legislated/overseen.
Why stop at that size vessel? What about on a Ferry? They obviously sink too.
$.02
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I believe it's the speed a boat sink. Small craft sinks faster and easier than a liner (ferry).
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I believe it's the speed a boat sink. Small craft sinks faster and easier than a liner (ferry).
Hahaha.....life jackets are for people, not boats. People sink at the same rate whether they fall off a ferry or out of a canoe :)
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Yes, people sink at same rate. However, on bigger boat you have more time to 'search' for life jacket and put it on. On small boat, you don't have that luxury.
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I'm with Salmon Sam, I dont need a govt body trying to make a law on every little thing in my life.
Every time I turn around in this province, Capt Safety is flying over.
It's always a choice, But I guess we are to stupid to make a choice, it's something govts and governing bodies just cant stand,....must....regulate....all.......behavior...
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I'm with Salmon Sam, I dont need a govt body trying to make a law on every little thing in my life.
Every time I turn around in this province, Capt Safety is flying over.
It's always a choice, But I guess we are to stupid to make a choice, it's something govts and governing bodies just cant stand,....must....regulate....all.......behavior...
I'm with SS on that as well, I feel the same way, but the gov't regulates behavior to keep societal "costs" down....not to protect individuals (or our individual freedoms would be paramount).....that and all laws typically cater to the lowest common denominator.
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My life is my one life and concerns only my direct family and friends so my life is precious and to my direct family my life is precious.
$200 for a life jacket to prevent the loss of my life or any life is a small price to pay.
Nobody gets in my boat not wearing one.
Hopefully those who choose not to use them will not expect others to risk their lives to try to safe their selfish bu**s.
Macho idiots IMHO!!
Colin
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I hear if you wear a helmet while walking down the road, your chances of surviving after being struck by a car greatly increases.
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Yes, people sink at same rate. However, on bigger boat you have more time to 'search' for life jacket and put it on. On small boat, you don't have that luxury.
Actually you do, mine is about two feet from my arm... In a 12 foot boat they can't go far :)
I say if the law goes through, everyone on every sized boat should have to wear one. Fair's fair. And helmets too ;)
Cheers,
Nicole
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Larger boats are regulated by an entirely more restrictive set of safety standards. Life vests are in plain sight, life boats are readily accessible, radio and radar contact along with a route plan is always on file with the Coast Guard. If this isn't enough, then sure, mandate wearing life vests on all vessels, but be ready to have radar on your 12' skiff also.
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Yes, people sink at same rate. However, on bigger boat you have more time to 'search' for life jacket and put it on. On small boat, you don't have that luxury.
Actually you do, mine is about two feet from my arm... In a 12 foot boat they can't go far :)
Of course you do. So you think. Nice day nice weather on a lake, wind pickups up you capside, panicked boat drag down your life jacket with it, or you get muscle cramp. So lots of time eh? ;)
Minds you most people drowned is swimmer. Over confident is deadly.
Ya because larger boats' captains has to go through more training, and more safety equipment is on board. It's less likely to run into problems.
What the government should do is for those that does not follow safety recommendation if rescue is required at one point they are responsible for all cost incurred.
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If the wind picked up and I was afraid I would capsize, id be wearing it, not looking at it...
Common sense, no?
This is the source of the problem, people lack common sense.
Cheers,
Nicole
PS> This did acutally happen to me, once. It was one of the most frightening moments out on the water... The 16 foot boat came close to flipping in a 100K gust of wind... Needless to say, the PFD was on.
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Larger boats are regulated by an entirely more restrictive set of safety standards. Life vests are in plain sight, life boats are readily accessible, radio and radar contact along with a route plan is always on file with the Coast Guard. If this isn't enough, then sure, mandate wearing life vests on all vessels, but be ready to have radar on your 12' skiff also.
No problem, make the logistics of that possible, and I'll be on board 8)
Just to steer my comments back to the debate (cause that is what I love) would all of you support being forced to wear life jackets while anchored, sturgeon fishing?
This is what I'm debating, I wear PFDs while running the boat.
But it comes off once the anchor is down and fishing starts. It goes back on when I move to another spot.
Cheers,
Nicole