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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: trout80 on May 21, 2008, 07:28:59 AM
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Unfortunately poachers are at it again! >:( I was talking to a guy who said he saw 2 diff. people killing way to many fish.One person killed 20 the other kept killing 4 leaving and coming back 4 times1 >:( I told him it was important to call it in when ever he sees it.He told me he did.
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Unfortunately poachers are at it again! >:( I was talking to a guy who said he saw 2 diff. people killing way to many fish.One person killed 20 the other kept killing 4 leaving and coming back 4 times1 >:( I told him it was important to call it in when ever he sees it.He told me he did.
Man... and I actually take the time to revive the fish after playing them out. Guess that effort is all wasted...
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Unfortunatly that happens alot on the put and take lakes. I have reported similar
happenings on Mill Lake and I never have seen a CO come dow. I guess they
think it is a put and take lake so why bother. I have confronted some of the
people doing this on Mill Liake and have basicly been told to F*** O**. I use
to spend alot of time at Mil as my office was only a block away and I use to go
there for lunch to go for a walk. We need to have more people phoning things
like this in when ever you see them, then maybe something will be done.
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When the lakes are stocked, the hatchery circulates the information to all of its contacts (ministry biologists, hatchery staff, conservation officers, etc) so everyone who works in these fisheries are aware of the stocking and expected increase in fishing pressure and possible poaching.
Conservation officers are always on patrol. When you phone in and report the violations, the dispatcher relays that information to conservation officers who are responsible for the area where the violation is taking place. If one of the conservation is nearby, he or she would attend that violation immediately. Unfortunately, the reality is that there are only a few conservation officers designated in each large area being enforced, so many violations cannot be attended. This should not discourage people from phoning violations in, because if the frequency of reported violation in an area is high, then more attention would be given to that area.
For example, a couple of years ago when multiple dippings of daily quota at Lafarge Lake were reported, conservation officers stood at the lake and caught the same violators doing the exact same thing several days later.
I will relay your comments to the conservation officers responsible to see what improvements could be made.
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I realize that the CO's are overloaded and that we do not have enough of them.
It is just so darn frustrating watching the same group do this day after day. It is
like the parents who take thier kids down to the lake and feed the ducks right
under the sgn that says Do Not feed the ducks. I have also pointed that out to
many in a very polite way and have been told to mind my own buisness in
no uncertain terms. I guess I am just getting old and grumpy.
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Fished out with people double and triple dipping ?
This has to be stopped
whats the point in stocking a lake to encourage inner city fishing when all you get is a bunch of non English speaking(when you try to talk to them) poachers saying no understand
OK some of you might say call the fisheries, Co's what ever but has anyone ever seen them come out following a call(and yes i have called them)
I told one guy to beat it and go home the other week as he had kept 4 and was catching them for other people
As for taking down details ! well when i am in my tube and they are on shore its tough
Plus there was a group of them at one stage so i did not want to confront them all
and i was parked over the other side of where they were fishing so did not want to leave my gear in the car while i went over to them
I rarely fish it more than once a week but each time i am there the same guys are there taking more than there fare share
and i don't fish the same days each time so i guess they are there every day
I fished there the other day and if that lake was stocked with 1000 330g fish on the 15th then someone took them all out again
I hooked only a few fish and they were small
any fish i did see caught were also small
don't get me wrong small fish are great to catch but these were not 300g
There were at least 5 guys fly fishing and most of them only got one or two fish
sorry if i ranted on but enough is enough >:(
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Also keep in mind that heavy angling pressure also results in educated fish, therefore hook-up rate is expected to decline.
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Britguy:
So the English speaking poachers are ok, but not the non-English speaking ones? I think I missed the small print in the regulations, where it states I need to be fluent in English to fish. Also, do you really know who's poaching or are you assuming everyone who doesn't speak English must be poaching? I've been to Lafarge several times and I see a lot of regulars there, but for the most part, I don't see a whole lot of violations... just a lot of angling pressure on a small pond.
Also, who cares if someone is catching fish for a friend? If they stay within in their limits... let them have fun. Sheeesh, it's Lafarge... we're not steelheading... it's a 2 dollar fish in a lake meant for kids, why get so uptight?
Anyhow, all I see in your post is blame (non-English people for that matter) and multiple reasons why you can't help change the situation (language... too many of them... too far... etc). Also, the one time you said something (and not even for a violation), you told him to "beat it"? WTH... maybe the change needs to start with you?
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What time of day are you guys going? I've fished Lafarge many times a full week after a fresh stocking and have never had problems landing my limit within an hour. I go early morning though, on the lake no later than 5:45. The fishing is hot in the morning, and I definitely notice a slow down by 8:30ish which is when I usually take off.
I'll probably go again this weekend, and I highly doubt that it's all fished out already since it's only been a week since the last stocking.
And Britguy: I too agree that your comment about the people along the shore line all being non english speakers was uncalled for...
Just a question: Do you actually keep an eye on the guys from shore while you're in your tube? I can never do that since I'm always concentrated on the fishing and I hardly notice the guys on the shore unless a commotion is made when they hook into a fish, but that itself doesn't happen that much from what I can see. From experience, casting from shore just doesn't produce as much as being on the lake itself so I'm not sure you can blame the people from the shore for fishing out the lake since that would take a really long time.
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And Britguy: I too agree that your comment about the people along the shore line all being non english speakers was uncalled for...
Just a question: Do you actually keep an eye on the guys from shore while you're in your tube? I can never do that since I'm always concentrated on the fishing and I hardly notice the guys on the shore unless a commotion is made when they hook into a fish, but that itself doesn't happen that much from what I can see. From experience, casting from shore just doesn't produce as much as being on the lake itself so I'm not sure you can blame the people from the shore for fishing out the lake since that would take a really long time.
I dont see anything really wrong with britguy's comment because its true. theres nothing false about it. its not like he said non-english fisherman, he said non-english "poachers".
it's not very hard to notice people fishing with 2 rods, or double and triple dipping from a tube.
I usually just cast a fly from shore so I can watch these poachers and confront them. besides, fly fishing from shore is way better than going in a tube anyday on that lake.
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Fished out with people double and triple dipping ?
This has to be stopped
whats the point in stocking a lake to encourage inner city fishing when all you get is a bunch of non English speaking(when you try to talk to them) poachers saying no understand
OK some of you might say call the fisheries, Co's what ever but has anyone ever seen them come out following a call(and yes i have called them)
Its poacher but english speaking people also do poach
so yeah when you make comments think first since you are old enough
but yeah the poaching should be stopped
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Why not go fish a real lake in the mountains, and not some little fish pond in the city. That's what the whole experience of fly fishing is about "Solitude". That lake should be made into a under 12 lake for kids to fish not grown men who abuse it.
That's my two cents
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I'd agree with steeleagle's two cents there, Fly fishing is about going to a place you wouldn't usually go and get AWAY from the city and your job etc. and just relax and breath some fresh air. who cares if poachers are basically stealing ffsbc's fish which they raised and put so much time into making the fishery happen, they dont seem to care about people wasting there time by stealing fish that shiould be being aught by kids andpeople who should be learning how to fish/ flyfish
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Why not go fish a real lake in the mountains, and not some little fish pond in the city. That's what the whole experience of fly fishing is about "Solitude". That lake should be made into a under 12 lake for kids to fish not grown men who abuse it.
That's my two cents
WHAT!!! LAFARGE LAKE ISNT REAL??!?!?! What is it? Plastic???
I think you guys should stop saying these stupid remarks on saying what real fishing is. Oh, its in coquitlam, its not a real lake. Steeleagle, define a "REAL" lake for me. Fishing is fishing. No matter who, what, where, when, and why, fishing is fishing.
It's funny, because I bet you have just about 0 knowledge of the lake whatsoever. I fish the lake just about every day, because I live less then a minutes walk away. I slip on my waders, grab the fly rod, and hit the lake. I find it relaxing, enjoying, and there is just as much solitude as an alpine lake on most days. There are fish, and nice fish too. By nice fish, I dont mean big fat ugly broods, but the blackwaters they put it make it even more enjoyable.
Personally, I think an age restriction on any body of water is just ludacris, because it doesnt let people enjoy new experiences.
No matter what you say, poaching could go on at any lake, river, ocean, or stream, and we will not even realize it. I have been in some very prestine wilderness in the middle of nowhere and seen poaching going on. It can happen anywhere.
CC
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I don't think they fly poach as much as power-bait poach. Here in Surrey at Green Timbers you have six-pack Willy the unofficial guardian. Who hones in with drunken verbal abuse on anyone with an accent as he slowly cleans out the fish from the lake. I guess if calling a CO isn't good enough go somewhere else less frustrating or get yours before someone else does. I fished Lafarge gravel pit way back and things haven't changed there since they started stocking it. There was always someone there for the long hall catching those tiny bland fish. I guess they should have a catch and release period so that others can get to catch some before they all get taken. Your looking at meat fishers not anglers so don't be surprised. I really don't see anything wrong with taking your limit. Thats why they stock the lake.
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ok guys my comments were on what i seen and heard (if i offended anyone i apologize)
The reason i mentioned non English speaking was simply thats what i was up against when i asked the same two guys i seen the week prior how many fish they had ( i watched them bag four each)
When i get a reply of no English no English what else can i say
And the guy i told to beat it could not understand me untill i gave a go away guesture with my hands
And yes there was a violation (he had 4 fish) once you have your limit no more fishing
Maybe its me that is not speaking English (i do have an accent)
We have an age restriction lake near by(Como) we dont need two close by
And fly fishing is fly fishing no matter where you are
Once again i am not trying to offend anyone just commenting on a problem
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Well Cody it's a man mad lake for starters, which would not make this a natural or real lake, so that pretty much solves that one right there. That's mot to say all man made lakes are not good, just most. Your right, the only knowledge I have on this lake is what I've read and heard, so if that doesn't count as knowledge guess I'm guilty. I'm sorry but when there's towers around and you can hear the city bus going by, ohh there's goes the firetruck, this is what makes it not even close to any alpine lake, when you scurry to your truck from the lake shore because theres a bear 20 feet from you and she looks angry you know that your a little more in the woods then just lafarge. As for the age restriction it's probably a good idea, I think surrey lake has one or is it green timbers? That's what these lakes should be used for, but if your going to catch those sad looking trout then and EAT them 2, I say Have At HER!! There's two many people going to the hard to get to lakes now anyways so I recommend doing what your doing so there's more lunkers for me to catch and release in those indescribable alpine lakes that I visit on a regular basis.
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Well Cody it's a man mad lake for starters, which would not make this a natural or real lake, so that pretty much solves that one right there. That's mot to say all man made lakes are not good, just most. Your right, the only knowledge I have on this lake is what I've read and heard, so if that doesn't count as knowledge guess I'm guilty. I'm sorry but when there's towers around and you can hear the city bus going by, ohh there's goes the firetruck, this is what makes it not even close to any alpine lake, when you scurry to your truck from the lake shore because theres a bear 20 feet from you and she looks angry you know that your a little more in the woods then just lafarge. As for the age restriction it's probably a good idea, I think surrey lake has one or is it green timbers? That's what these lakes should be used for, but if your going to catch those sad looking trout then and EAT them 2, I say Have At HER!! There's two many people going to the hard to get to lakes now anyways so I recommend doing what your doing so there's more lunkers for me to catch and release in those indescribable alpine lakes that I visit on a regular basis.
I have seen 3 bears this year right across the road from lafarge.
I live in one of those towers and there is little to no noise heard. Besides, you rarely here the firetrucks anyways because it's Coquitlam and they rarely get calls. The only things you hear are the fish jumping, and the ospreys and bald eagles making noise.
I do not believe there should be an age restriction on any lake as I think it is unfair and discrimentory. I think it is neat when I get up in the morning, go fish, and see the familys fishing there.
No matter which way you put it, man made or not, it is still a real lake. I think its pretty hard to have a fake lake ;)
Oh, and like Britguy said, "fly fishing is fly fishing, not matter where you are"
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I don't have a problem with an age restriction. People over 65 are not as mobile as they once were in their youth.
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They get a lot of calls at that Fire department, I know this because I've been dating the fire chiefs daughter for 2 years.
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And yes there was a violation (he had 4 fish) once you have your limit no more fishing
Actually, it is my understanding that even though you may have caught and retained your limit of trout in that lake, you may continue to fish catch and release.
Although, not all people follow that and end up keeping more than 4, or misshandle those that they "throw" back...
I don't fish Lafarge that often, but when i do i often see people violating the rules, not being respectful and keeping fish that i would consider too small to keep, like a 6" trout (yes i know there is no size restriction in that lake, its just my opinion that it isn't right).
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They get a lot of calls at that Fire department, I know this because I've been dating the fire chiefs daughter for 2 years.
6000 calls a year in coquitlam probably 2000 of them from that station
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When to Lafarge this morning and once again no bites .There were 4 float tubers on the lake and didn't see any of them catch anything . I was there at 6:15 and tried everything in the tackle box . Ussualy after a stoking there would be lots of raisers ,not today . My question is where have all the fish gone ? On the bright side a beautiful otter surfaced within 5 feet from me .
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Why not go fish a real lake in the mountains, and not some little fish pond in the city. That's what the whole experience of fly fishing is about "Solitude". That lake should be made into a under 12 lake for kids to fish not grown men who abuse it.
That's my two cents
The problem I see with that comment is that not everyone can just "go fish a real lake in the mountains." Many people cannot get time off work or get away from their families or other things. So to say it should be turned into a 12 and under lake just because of stories you've heard without any real knowledge is wrong. This lake is the only place many people can get to on any kind of a regular basis. The nice alpine lakes are a long way for some people and thats why they turn to lakes like these. And like someone else has mentioned there is already a lake with an age restriction in Coquitlam (Como Lake) so to put 2 age restriction lakes in the same town would just be too much.
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Here are some clarifications and commentaries before other participants wade into the discussion, which often heats up as expected when the racial/cultural factor is included.
Daily quota
The daily quota of trout in Region 2 Lakes, unless otherwise stated, is four. The four fish you keep can be of any size, regardless of wild or hatchery fish, and only one maybe over 50cm long. Unlike the steelhead fishery, once you have caught your limit of four fish, you can continue fishing as long as all fish are released. What Britguy was referring to is that people continue to keep fish for other people after keeping four fish for him or herself. Even though he or she maybe catching other anglers' quotas, or giving fish to unlicensed by-standers, this is considered as poaching.
Age restriction/put and take lakes
Lower Mainland lakes are primarily not productive so there are no viable resident trout population in most of them. If they do, most of the fish are small. Fishing pressure is directly correlated to population. The closer a system is to an urbanized area, the more heavily it is fished. Urbanized area also has the largest non-fishing populations. The objectives of put and take lakes are to increase angling participation, create viable fishing opportunities for those who are unable to travel due to budget constraint. Not all anglers are fortunate enough to spend several hundred dollars per weekend on travel and accommodation to remote lakes for better trout fishing, not to mention the initial purchase a boat and its accessories. Depending on the skill level, anglers find different enjoyment when it comes to fishing. Some only finds enjoyment when solitude is achieved, while others are satified enough to connect with small rainbow trout as long as success rate is high. Many anglers progress as their angling experience increases, moving from put and take lakes to trophy lakes. Some choose to fish at put and take lakes for the rest of their lives, but that would be their choices, not for you to judge whether they should be doing so or not.
Age restriction may not necessarily prevent poaching, as it is often observed at Como Lake too. Those who oppose of age restriction do not want their angling opportunities taken away, which is understandable because the location of many put and take lakes makes them fantastic get-aways after work on weekdays. What might be more sounding changes are perhaps a reduction of daily quota, or granting of trout retention exclusively to anglers under the age of 16.
Significance of poaching at put and take lakes
Poaching at either a put and take lake, at a wild steelhead stream, or a trophy interior lake all fall into one category. Regulations are being broken and should be reported. Some see poaching at put and take lakes as a victimless crime, because they are simply stocked fish and no endangered species are being threatened. What people should be aware of that each fish illegally taken out equates to your license money being stolen. The Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC operates five trout hatcheries across this province. Money used to raise these trout come from your license money, therefore poachers are indirectly stealing from you. As mentioned in an earlier post, violations that are regularly reported will generate attention from enforcement. Poachers may temporarily gain, but in the long run they are caught if actions continue.
Non-English speaking anglers
Like some of the previous posts on fishing forums, Britguy's reference of non-English speaking poachers unintentionally generalizes all anglers in ethnic minorities as poachers. It may not have been intended, but that is usually how it is interpreted. As an individual coming from an Asian background, it does not offend me for two reasons. I've seen the same innocent remark too many times when monitoring the forum and Britguy's comment does hold some truth. I think some may have interpreted the non-English speaking poacher remark as an unwillingness to share Canada's natural resource with other ethnic groups, which I don't think (or at least hope not) it was meant that way.
Since I am still quite connected with my Asian background, I can relate to Britguy's frustration. The social stigma of poaching mostly does not exist in the Asian community. It simply isn't identified as a crime. How this comes about can be traced back to how the government operates in most Asian countries, which is a whole other in-depth discussion.
Without moderating anyone's post, I wish to see people focusing on the problem instead of creating a racial boundary based on how they interpreted one remark.
Ideas, solutions, changes for the better
The problem is identified here and you have the opportunities to create solutions because it is not going away. The Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC is not only creating angling opportunities and increasing angling participation, but it is constantly working on developing a positive future in this community. New ideas are always wanted so all options are put on the table. The benefit of an internet discussion forum is that brainstorming can easily be done since everyone has an opinion. Unfortunately, at this point the negativity outweighs this benefit. Individuals can contribute by being critical and constructive. When opinions turn from critical to negative, the discussion sidetracks and eventually loses its momentum, as we are seeing here. Good ideas suggested on the discussion forum are also lost in the archive most of the time. This can easily be reversed since I have the contacts to get the wheels turning.
There are several young participants who regularly fishes Lafarge Lake in this discussion. This is your fishery to improve if you wish to, so start putting forward ideas on what you would like to see. Perhaps more signages in different languages are needed. Perhaps pamphlets for new anglers can be distributed via the shop where Cody works. Perhaps in addition to reporting the violation, people can post it in this thread so over time there is a number that we can refer to. Perhaps everyone should be carrying a small notebook so violations are written down and compared with others so regular violators are identified.
This is your lake to enjoy. Make a difference.
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They get a lot of calls at that Fire department, I know this because I've been dating the fire chiefs daughter for 2 years.
My mom does all the recruitments for the city of coquitlam firefighters, as well as my dad is a firefighter.
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Well I guess my girls dad is your dads boss then... :P
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my dad works for vancouver
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I think these urban Ponds/Lakes are great.
I remember in my youth 14-22 before I got my first car I used to pack my pack sack with lunch and gear on the weekends take my rod and hop on the bus and go to Deer lake in Burnaby, trout in Vancouver, and Lafarge. (plus the brunette, serpentine and Nicomekl rivers)
I used to get my maps out and transit map out and plan how I would get to a certain lake, it was like an 'adventure' every weekend and something to look forward to. Of course back then before skytrain and improved transit it used to take 90-120 minutes depending on bus connections to get to lafarge from Surrey, but I did not care i just wanted to fish. :) Hell I even bussed it to Debouville slough once and then walked to where it hit the Pitt and fished there. man that was a long day but I enjoyed it.
I did go to Brownsville on my bike a fair bit even after school but going to try these Urban ponds on the weekends was great. It sure beat playing video games.
Back then Lafarge was still the 'sticks' and not much past Coquitlam centre and no development at the time but it was recently made and I used to have a great time. Many people can not afford cars either.
I know some people look down on these urban lakes but when you love fishing you are just happy to be out doing it. I had a great time at these lakes and met many nice people. But if some 'elitist' does not think they are worthy of fishing, that is fine by me as less pressure on them etc
As for age restriction, even though it does not effect me at the moment as I am on disability and have the disability license so I am allowed to fish them I do not think anymore are needed. As I said not everyone can afford cars to go to the Valley or towards Squamish etc Plus nowadays compared to the early 80's transit is better and getting to these urban lakes are easier.
Hopefully within a year I can get back to work but I will still be bussing it and will still be able to enjoy these local urban lakes.
Now that I am bussing it again it is great there are lakes like Lafarge, Como, Trout, sloughs in Ladner etc i can get to via transit and I am sure others feel the same. I just wish there were a couple more Urban ponds/lakes around. ;)
Not to mention for people that have cars or live close to them it is great to go out for a couple hours after work or on the weekend if you do not want to travel, especially with rising gas prices.
Fishing is fishing.
As for poaching it happens everywhere some places more than others. I remember 7 or 8 years ago ice fishing at Walloper lake some guy was poaching and keeping even 6" fish and he must of caught 30 +, a couple of us phoned in the info and vehicle description but I never heard back so i dunno if anything was done. (Yes there were 'millions of 8"-10" trout in there but still does not make it right)
The thing is there are limits for a reason and poaching is poaching whether it is the Fraser river or in an Urban put and take lake like Lafarge lake.
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for some English speakers: All non-English speakers looks like a same guy... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just a last comment on the original statement of Non-English speaking poachers. The main reason I find it offensive, is that the crux of the statement seemed to be blaming Non-English speaking poachers for no fish in Lafarge. I mean if you had a couple of bad experiences, I can understand you wanting to vent your frustration on THOSE particular experiences, but discrimination perpetuates when you start to generalize groups of people based on the actions of a few. I won't argue the fact that there are Non-English speaking poachers and that they impact our waters (so there's an element of truth), but I find the statement ("whats the point in stocking a lake to encourage inner city fishing when all you get is a bunch of non English speaking(when you try to talk to them) poachers saying no understand") grossly offensive and it only perpetuates discrimination. Anyhow, it's water under the bridge and I'll give Britguy the benefit of the doubt and accept his apology.
Rod, I still need some clarification on the fish limits / poaching issue. Is catching fish for your friend, who has a license but doesn't have his limit (while you have yours) considered poaching? I find this difficult to understand, because I thought it was just normal. When my friends and I fish out in the salt, we don't even consider individual limits. We always consider boat limits based on the number of people and licenses in the boat. For fresh water, I just find this confusing, since what constitutes it as your fish (your fishing rod? landing it? does it apply to a group of friends on the shore?). I can understand the etiquette part and it might aggravate people, but with a put and take lake, I never thought anyone would even care. Also, I'm not talking about bonking the fish and having over 4 dead fish with you... I'm talking about having a live trout in the net and giving it to your friend (who doesn't have 4 and has a valid license) to do with as he wants... bonk or release.
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Rod, I still need some clarification on the fish limits / poaching issue. Is catching fish for your friend, who has a license but doesn't have his limit (while you have yours) considered poaching? I find this difficult to understand, because I thought it was just normal. When my friends and I fish out in the salt, we don't even consider individual limits. We always consider boat limits based on the number of people and licenses in the boat. For fresh water, I just find this confusing, since what constitutes it as your fish (your fishing rod? landing it? does it apply to a group of friends on the shore?). I can understand the etiquette part and it might aggravate people, but with a put and take lake, I never thought anyone would even care. Also, I'm not talking about bonking the fish and having over 4 dead fish with you... I'm talking about having a live trout in the net and giving it to your friend (who doesn't have 4 and has a valid license) to do with as he wants... bonk or release.
Once you have killed your limit, you cannot kill another fish for an angler nearby. If you have killed your limit, hooked another fish, hand the rod to another angler who then proceeds to land the fish, that fish will be part of that angler's kill. That being said, it's not something that I practice as I do not take charity fish ;D and believe those who fish with me should hook their own fish, otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of fishing in the first place.
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Once you have killed your limit, you cannot kill another fish for an angler nearby. If you have killed your limit, hooked another fish, hand the rod to another angler who then proceeds to land the fish, that fish will be part of that angler's kill. That being said, it's not something that I practice as I do not take charity fish ;D and believe those who fish with me should hook their own fish, otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of fishing in the first place.
Id have to agree with that. If you pass on the rod before you land it, no problem. However, I am with Rodney and there's no charity fishing when i go. Its just the luck of the draw if my fishing buddy doesn't catch anything. Whats fishing without being skunked once and a while. That being said it is a different story when it is my 2 1/2 year old daughter's fishing with me. Then i pass on the rod ;) (although i treat her quota as my quota.. ie. 4 trout between the two of us)
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Ok i see that i should have worded my comment better
once again i apologies
My comments were not to point out any race for the poaching\rule violations
Sure there are English speaking violaters but i get a reply from them (it might be f$%& off now and then) but at least then i know i got my point across and they know the rules
Then i can call the DFO
my frustration was the fact that i could not explain the rules to these guys as they did not understand me (like i said maybe its me not speaking English)
Sure if i called the dfo they might come down and charge them
thats not my intent if they are unaware of the rules
If they are ignoring the rules then sure i hope they get fined
Signs would be a great help
In England some of the lakes have signs in 6 or more languages to help get the rules across to all
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my frustration was the fact that i could not explain the rules to these guys as they did not understand me (like i said maybe its me not speaking English)
they understand you, they are just playing the "I don't understand" card,
I have the same problem here on White Rock pier with undersize and females crabs.
I no longer walk the pier because it boils my blood to see what is happening.
Oh, and its the same newly Canadians doing it here.
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As far as REAL lakes and REAL fishing goes... Real fishers use a size 20 something dry fly with a 6X tippet and fish for rising trout in the mountain streams in the rockies... ::) ::) ::) ::) Just kidding... throwing a little gasoline on the fire ;D
Actually I liked fishing lafarge, nice and close (not anymore) and stocked regularly... Good for a quick trip when you need a little distraction. Used to be pretty wild out there about 20 years ago and you could get some pretty big trout (brood stocks I guess?). I also remember they used to stock the coquitlam river with little catchables.. All of that was a great way to spend my summer mornings, riding out on my bmx (haha) with 2 friends and catching trout or squawfish. My biggest concern those days was keeping my rod tip out of the bike spokes... Things have sure changed eh? :P
J5
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Yes, I'm sure they understand you and know well about rules.
Britguy, fine is the best sign！
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/newsrel/2008/pr14_e.htm
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my frustration was the fact that i could not explain the rules to these guys as they did not understand me (like i said maybe its me not speaking English)
they understand you, they are just playing the "I don't understand" card,
I agree. Most know more English than what they are leading on.
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And yes there was a violation (he had 4 fish) once you have your limit no more fishing
Unless I missed something in the regulations, I always thought you could continue to catch and release even after you catch your limit as I do that all the time on my float tube. Of course you can't trade up or anything like that, but telling someone to beat it just because (s)he caught his/her limit is wrong.
I'm not defending the guy from the shore and I have no affiliation with him, and I'm actually glad you did something about it if you were absolutely sure he/she was poaching, but telling him to beat it wasn't the best solution based on you thinking that it was a violation to continue fishing after catching your limit.
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And yes there was a violation (he had 4 fish) once you have your limit no more fishing
Unless I missed something in the regulations, I always thought you could continue to catch and release even after you catch your limit as I do that all the time on my float tube. Of course you can't trade up or anything like that, but telling someone to beat it just because (s)he caught his/her limit is wrong.
I'm not defending the guy from the shore and I have no affiliation with him, and I'm actually glad you did something about it if you were absolutely sure he/she was poaching, but telling him to beat it wasn't the best solution based on you thinking that it was a violation to continue fishing after catching your limit.
I think the problems was he/she was still killing fish, and using other peoples limits.
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Why not go fish a real lake in the mountains, and not some little fish pond in the city. That's what the whole experience of fly fishing is about "Solitude". That lake should be made into a under 12 lake for kids to fish not grown men who abuse it.
That's my two cents
I fish lafarge or buntzen every weekend because it is close enough to fish a couple hours then take care of other buisness.It is just as real and fun as anywhere else.Stick your age limit!!Do you fish every weekend.
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I fish Lafarge maybe twice a month ( saturday mornings ) , it"s close by to get kinks from working all week . I can have a few hours to my self before the wife gets up and finds me things to do , if this lake were to have an age restriction where would I go to unwind ? If they want to have a lake for them self go to Como and have it stocked more frequently than the others .
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When to Lafarge this morning and once again no bites .There were 4 float tubers on the lake and didn't see any of them catch anything . I was there at 6:15 and tried everything in the tackle box . Ussualy after a stoking there would be lots of raisers ,not today . My question is where have all the fish gone ? On the bright side a beautiful otter surfaced within 5 feet from me .
That's why there are no fish left, nice, maybe beautiful, but hungry Otter chowing down on every fish in there. Worse poacher in my book and it dosen't speak a word of any kind.
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When to Lafarge this morning and once again no bites .There were 4 float tubers on the lake and didn't see any of them catch anything . I was there at 6:15 and tried everything in the tackle box . Ussualy after a stoking there would be lots of raisers ,not today . My question is where have all the fish gone ? On the bright side a beautiful otter surfaced within 5 feet from me .
That's why there are no fish left, nice, maybe beautiful, but hungry Otter chowing down on every fish in there. Worse poacher in my book and it dosen't speak a word of any kind.
maybe i should introduce him to my friend mr Wingmaster 870. oh ya, inside city limits. I guess they are all getting away with it then
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When to Lafarge this morning and once again no bites .There were 4 float tubers on the lake and didn't see any of them catch anything . I was there at 6:15 and tried everything in the tackle box . Ussualy after a stoking there would be lots of raisers ,not today . My question is where have all the fish gone ? On the bright side a beautiful otter surfaced within 5 feet from me .
That's why there are no fish left, nice, maybe beautiful, but hungry Otter chowing down on every fish in there. Worse poacher in my book and it dosen't speak a word of any kind.
maybe i should introduce him to my friend mr Wingmaster 870. oh ya, inside city limits. I guess they are all getting away with it then
Maybe everyone should stop blaming their angling shortcomings on otters and other fishermen. :-X
There are PLENTY of fish in LaFarge for man and beast, before, during and after stockings.
I challenge anyone with scuba gear to go in and count em.
8)
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I have not lake fished in over a year, but went out about 3 weeks ago to Lafarge for a kick around in the belly boat. With two kids under 2, it's really hard to get away farther. I guess it will be local lakes like that , the Cap, and maybe the Stave as I can get away early and be back early. No need to bonk every fish though....I'm never too sure about the water quality there, is it decent?
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Can you volunteer as a CO?
RCMP have volunteers out in uniform all the time for Roadside Drinking/Driving stops.
I'd put in a day or two a month if I had a uniform and ticket pad.
Even if I couldn't fine/ticket/whatever, it would be good just to have more uniforms seen out and about.
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I think their union might object on grounds that you're taking jobs from their members.
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a little off topic, but there was a bear taking a dip in lafarge today. take that steeleagle ;D
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a little off topic, but there was a bear taking a dip in lafarge today. take that steeleagle ;D
Did they shoot it??? :o
I saw a linx not to long ago at a local lake :P
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there was a bear taking a dip in lafarge today
those poachers will do anything to catch fish
now they are wearing bear suits to keep others away ;D
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last time i was the i saw the same
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The otter is probably some remote-control toy that someone is using to poach fish too ;D ;D
Could you trap an otter, its not exactly shooting it...... And what did they do with the bear, isnt that kind of a treat to people around a city lake...
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a little off topic, but there was a bear taking a dip in lafarge today. take that steeleagle ;D
Did they shoot it??? :o
I saw a linx not to long ago at a local lake :P
Where did you see the linx... I thought i saw one to but i wasnt sure if it was a oddly shaped cat crossing the road of if it was a links... I had really weird ears...
I saw mine right beside sassamat...