Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: brood dude on October 24, 2007, 04:31:44 PM
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it is soooooooooooo nice to finally see some justice being done on the rivers!! ;D
today was awesome! i saw a c/o talking with these two guys on the river.next time i look he is carting them off the river and up to the parking lot! curiosity got the best of me so after a couple of cast's i walked up myself. ???
the c/o was writing a ticket for something when this other guy walked right up to the c/o and says "i got this where these guys were fishing" and then handed the c/o a plastic bag with a very dead, wild summer run! >:(
needless to say the c/o got a little annoyed with the one guy and started to tear into him about how he already asked him if he had caught anything?
that guy is soooo f@#^%ed!!!!! i don't usually like to take pleasure in others misfourtune but this jackass totally had it coming! :-[
it really made my day.in fact i can't remember being skunked and feeling this god about it!
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Good to hear the losers got roasted but very sad to hear about the dead wild summer run :'(
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Where was this. Just curious and great to hear I had that Happen on a local flow msome guy tried to cut the adipose fin of a wild coho but the coho was released unharmed and the guy is a little low on money :P unbeliveable what people will do for one lousy fish. Is it really worth the fines or worse jail time
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this happend on the cap.
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Yep, I'm of the opinion that all gear should be confiscated, and the vehicle should be confiscated as well.
Pictures of said offenders should be published in BC Outdoors monthly.
Ideally all these items should be resold to other anglers at HCTF fundraisers...
That would be awesome!
Nicole
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your evil (nicole) and i like it ;D thats a great idea about haivng their mugs in bc outdoors. fundraising is also another good call.
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I was checking out Tamahi a couple weeks back when this guy hooks a wild coho. He beaches it and i tell him its a nice wild coho, he then tells me that its not and its a jack spring. I tell him I think its a coho and point to the tail and check for white gums. He continues to bonk it. I ask him to gut it to see if its a red or a white jack then. Sure enough its red meat and the guy says hmmmm, first time i have landed a jack that has eggs. I was pondering just waiting around till and officer came about since i didnt have a cell. Thought it was funny.
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i have found that if there is a guy who is suspect ??? i offer to help them land their fish. as soon as i get my hands on it ,i take the hook out of its back or tail and then the fish goes straight back into the river. of course if the fish is legal to retain i ask them if they want to keep it.
it has worked well a few arguments but a least this way i know that the bastards aren't leaving with fish that are not legal.
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GF and Nicole,
I totally agree with you both. I remember a newspaper article about a man in Skagit Co. Washington who lost his boat, truck and was jailed over an illegal Chinook salmon. I'm pretty sure that eliminated 99.9% of the poaching on the local rivers. I am personally aware of several instances where people loose their rods and gear on the spot as well as getting fined. I so wish that this kind of enforcement took place world wide.
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Yes that would be nice for sure.
Nice to hear someone finally got busted. But it sure hurts to hear of all the wild fish being bonked this year.
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bad thing happend to me today, zach and I where fishing a favorite hole when we noticed a guy with a chum on and we were not alarmed until he pulled it ashore and than bonked it!! wich is illegal in that river, we yelled and left to phone the authoritys but they never came. :'(
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My friends saw a guy poach a salmon at a river. They had called the DFO but nothing happened. I'm kind of dissapointed with that but you catch all the poachers.
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just make sure you keep calling in all the bad guys you see.that way the c/o's can say look! we need more people to be out on the river!
if at all possable get photos and plate numbers because it gives the c/o's something to go on!
;D
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The one good thing that I have seen down one my local flow is because it's a little more depleaded river is if theres a guy trying to retain an illegal fish they will walk right over and push the fish back in personally and chase the guy out and at one point a guy held hime there until a officer came it's great to see but on flows like the vedder you don't always get the backup.
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i'll be the indian! ;D
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While fishing the Stave River on the afternoon of October 24th, a male person (I absolutely refuse to refer to him as a man, and especially as an angler) across from me was snagging chums.
By his methods and actions, I knew that he was snagging fish, and didn't realize the full extent of his actions at first, as I tend to put on my "blinders" and look away from the ugliness that salmon season brings to the banks of our rivers during this season. But after I had repositioned, and was facing in his general direction, I witnessed his "dirty deeds" in action!
He pulled the female salmon backwards onto the gravel banks, holding them with his boots as he pulled and shook the hooks from their back with a pair of pliers, picked them up and squeezed and shook the eggs from the female chum into a square bucket and then chucked the fish back into the river!
I pulled out my camera and began to shoot a sequence of photos showing his violations as I watched in disgust. I became so upset with his actions, that I could no longer bite my tongue! I reeled in my line and waded across to where he stood and told him that what he was doing was completely illegal and a disgusting abuse of these fish! His response to me was for me to "mind my own business, and that it was totally legal as he hadn't ever heard that it wasn't allowed" (there are laws that regulate the possession of roe).
I told him that I had recorded his actions with my camera and that I would be forwarding a full report and the photos to the conservation officers that regulate and enforce the angling laws for the river. He just laughed sarcastically, and said "good for you", and went back to his "snagging". I kept my cool and as I walked back to my vehicle, I called the DFO report line on my cel phone and told my story to an agent at the "report desk" and was told that they would send someone over right away to check-out the situation.
I received a phone call seconds later, from an officer that just happened to be on the Mission side of the Stave River. She told me that they were on the way over to check for any violations and to speak with the angler. After retelling my story to her, she said that the person would most likely receive a substantial fine (a few of hundred dollars) for possession of illegally obtained roe and for molestation of these fish.
They also asked if I would be prepared to appear in court and testify, and provide my photos for a court case if it came to that. I told them that "I wouldn't have it any other way, and would be more than happy to help send a strong message to this guy and his friends!"
She also said that they are stepping up enforcement, and are trying to take active measures to catch fine and arrest those who are breaking the laws and are obviously abusing the fish in our rivers.
I guess reporting violations that we see is having some positive results these days after all!
Regards,
The anonymous angler (coming to a river near you soon).
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They have also been seen on the Allouette now ;D . Herd of one fellow getting a $300 fine and his sage and calcutta taken till he paid the fine at their office. He got fined for molestation of fish. He was cutting the gills out of the dead fish. This was of course after he bonked a chum which by the way you can not retain on the Allouette.
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I would suggest calling in everything you see, to make sure the service know they need to hire more staff...
The only way they know is if you call.
:)
Nicole
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Are you kidding me? He got his rod back after he paid the fine. If I poach a deer or stab someone, do you think I get my gun or knife back after I do the time? I say that who ever is in charge needs to grow some B@!!$. Otherwise, we'll be complaining about snaggers forever.
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Here's a follow-up to my above posting. The information was sent to me by email and also posted on a couple other discussion forums. It should motivate all to make the necessary calls next time you witness a violation.
This morning, I spoke with the conservation officer (CO) that attended the incident, and “yes” they did catch him with “dirty hands”. I watched from the side-lines to make sure that he didn’t attempt to leave before they arrived (or if he did, to record his license plate). I was also concerned for the female CO’s safety and wanted to make certain that they didn’t require my “assistance” if he caused them any trouble.
Not only was he caught with the illegally obtained roe in his square bucket, but he had also killed a male chum and had it in his possession, without a salmon tag.
BUSTED!!!!
Here what he was ultimately charged with:
Angling and retaining salmon without a tag. On record and notice for molesting with intent to injure fish (roe stripping) and the roe and male chum were ceased. Along with a lecture on ethical angling and the laws that he was breaking, he also received a substantial fine (big dollars) for his crimes.
During my conversation with the CO, she told me that they have stepped-up their presence on many of the “popular” rivers, such as the Stave River, and are observing and recording violations from afar. They still walk the beats, but at times, observing from afar can be far more effective as the anglers that are committing the violations have absolutely no idea that they are being watched and recorded.
This along with the cel phones and digital cameras that many anglers carry these days, makes prosecuting the violators a much easier and more successful process! The CO’s in this case really deserve a “pat on their backs” as well!
So violators be warned: We will no longer tolerate your illegal and unethical actions and many of us are willing to step forward, record and report your actions…
See you on the river soon…
The Anonymous Angler
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Hello Everyone,
Are we legally allowed to fish for salmon (legally, barbless single hooks) without a salmon tag if we plan to catch and release?
Thanks,
Joe
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that is awesome rod!
i always call in and dont say anything to the guy(s).most of them , if not all of them know that they are breaking the rules.i say throw them under the bus!!! >:(
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They have also been seen on the Allouette now ;D . Herd of one fellow getting a $300 fine and his sage and calcutta taken till he paid the fine at their office. He got fined for molestation of fish. He was cutting the gills out of the dead fish. This was of course after he bonked a chum which by the way you can not retain on the Allouette.
I called that in a week ago, along with the wild coho i found in the bushes still half alive (hook mark in the mouth).
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I can't say for sure if you are allowed to fish (C&R) in BC for salmon w/o a salmon card. Personally, I don't think it's that ethical however. Even though you don't plan to kill a fish, you are still using a resource you are not paying for. Everyone else is paying for "salmon enhancement". Also, many of these C&R fish end up dead soon after they are released, no matter how well they were handled. Many fish look fine when they swim off, however the stress incurred is too much for many fish and they end up TU. Also, if you happen to accidentally kill a fish before you can release it, and a C/O is watching, you are covered by a salmon card.
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I can't say for sure if you are allowed to fish (C&R) in BC for salmon w/o a salmon card.
You don't need a tag if you don't plan on retaining the salmon.
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Yup they have stepped up. Saw a co watching with binoculars at the stave today.
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Yup they have stepped up. Saw a co watching with binoculars at the stave today.
Nice. Great to hear it. ;)
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Yeah, right on - If licence fees went up to guarantee increased enforcement on our rivers, I would gladly pay it.
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hey joe if you are going to use the resource why not buck up the 16 bucks for a tag???not an unreasonable price i'd say.
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Re: c/o 1 poachers 0 is quite mis leading, the reality is poachers have a lot more than '0'......But it is nice to win the very very odd one.
I wish they would come to Como lake and ticket all the adults fishing there, I can fish it because I am disabled (Sawmill accident) but I never see a fishery officer there....... ??? Yet I get people telling me it is under 16 over 65 and I reply "If you read the regs you would not say that to me'. ;)
I fish there because it has easy access for me, I love fishing and it gets me out of the house and I apologize if I dragged this off topic a bit but I have always bought a license, now it is only a buck but I have always followed the rules my whole life and have reported things many times over the last 40 years and never heard back on anything and it just really annoys me so many people cant follow the regs or even read them.
I have seen morons using bar rigs with two hooks at lafarge but fisheries does not seem to interested.
We need to hire a lot more federal and provincial fishery officers.
Well that is my 2 cents for tonight. ;)
ps. I have to learn how to use the spell check ha ha
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i wish more people on here would learn how to use the spell check...
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i wish more people on here would learn how to use the spell check...
I wish more people on here would use capital letters when needed.
How does it go?
"Those without sin may cast the first stone"
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We were at the Stave River today. I knew that there would be a lot of bouncers, but i did not no it would be as bad it was. People were casting a huge chunk and ripping back through the river, snagging a chum in the back, gill, fin, or whereever, every cast. They would even beach the fish, kick it around, then release it. >:(
Luckily, a DFO came along and threatened to fine a snagger 100$, and take away his rod and car, this was great to see, this was the first time i have seen justice done on the river, once the officer came, many of the other bouncers left.
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good to see u posted this zach, it was incredibly crouded and full of snaggers, it was realy funny when the dfo guy came and like ten people left.
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It was hilarious when the DFO guy forgot to ask about the salmon tag, and I said out loud I wonder if he had a salmon tag and after he went all over him about having no tag hahahahaha.
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good to see u posted this zach, it was incredibly crouded and full of snaggers, it was realy funny when the dfo guy came and like ten people left.
That's where the giant net and tackling the runners would be alot of fun... Taunt them while they wait in holding for their fine and confiscation of gear...
Still doesn't come close to the level of harassment of those poor fish.
:D
Nicole
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ya, i am just amazed how ppl fish at the stave. It cant rly be that fun, just snagging fish and bringnig them in by the tail, its plain dumb. >:(
Short floating is the way to go ;D
Zach
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Just parking a RCMP car in the parking lot will deter alot of the snaggers.
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Just parking a RCMP car in the parking lot will deter alot of the snaggers.
Lol, I bet that works well.
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Plywood cutouts of officers with binoculars might do wonders as well ;D :D
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I just think that there should be DFO patrolling busy rivers and different fisheries because i see so many illegal fishermen and nothing could be done. I also think the response time of DFO should be alot quicker!!!! Like an illegal angler who fishes a hole for an hour or two, who gets report and no one shows up. Its really dissapointing!!!! :-[