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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: nosey on August 14, 2007, 07:38:50 AM
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An acquaintance of mine told me he caught and released 4 sockeye at the end of St. Elmo rd the other day in less than 2 hrs., I was watching the scale bar the other day from across the river with binoculars and could see sockeye being landed steadily, I'm just disgusted where does it all end? We are supposed to be sports anglers and there are people out there just torturing these sockeye and releasing them knowing that a high percentage of them will die from the extra stress they have been exposed to while the dfo just stand back and does nothing. I know it's wrong and nobody seems to have kahoonas to close the river, I hope some solutions will come to light soon.
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Actually the DFO didn't just stand there and do nothing.
They weren't there.
You were there and saw it.
You just stood there and did nothing.
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The regulation on salmon fishery is just a nonsense and it actually promote flossing or other unethical fishery by the nature of how it works.
C&R of any salmon has to be banned on the Fraser.
"Successful landing of any first 2 salmon and leaving the river" can be more realistic, to protect salmon and also to promote selective method of fishing.
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WAH WAH WAH! Disgusted? Do something about it instead of WHINING IT ON AN INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM! Really objective, really...
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Nosey, respectfully, why don't you edit your public post NOT to include the exact location if you are concerned.
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You know, you could have at least tried to stop them...I agree, the DFO wasn't around but YOU were there.
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You know, you could have at least tried to stop them...I agree, the DFO wasn't around but YOU were there.
what could he have done besides telling them to stop? as if they would really listen ::)....he doesnt have the powers of any co, dfo or peace officer....
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He could drive over there (why not? Fish are being tortured, save them at all cost) and say, "Hey you beeks, stop poaching sockeye salmon. You guys are flossing fish that are not biting. Flossing is snagging. Snaggers are poachers! Stop poaching or get off the river!"
We don't have a problem saying that to fella forum members, so please don't hold back at the river.
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Ask around Rodney, I have been doing stuff and I have been trying to keep away from these internet flossing debates recently unfortunately it seems like sticking my head in the sand by not mentioning it on a public forum. As for physically doing something to the offenders, I'm almost 60 years old does it seem logical to wade in the water with 40 or 50 guys bottom bouncing and tell them to quit hooking sockeye, just remember the reputation the Scale bar has for violence and if you actually read my post you would have realised that I was on the other side of the river watching with binoculars. You Rodney, in the name of nutrality sit on your thumb and say nothing on your forum even though I have been told you have strong opinions on the matter, you don't have the jam to state them online and then you mock me for saying I was discusted what would you suggest I do. I have done everything possible to keep my comments as inoffensive as possible to other fishermen but let me tell you I am offended by your wah wah wah comment.
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Sorry Rodney didn't read your last post in time before I posted mine.
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Yes I have strong opinion on the issue, but I'm still looking for a set of testicles to state them online.
Offended by my comment? I thought most are already offended by this flossing capital of the world wide web. ???
if you actually read my post you would have realised that I was on the other side of the river watching with binoculars.
I did say drive over there right?
Sit on my thumb... Better stop that soon, it's getting rather sore this summer.
Rodney Hsu, enjoying sitting idly and doing nothing while raping of the Fraser River salmon stocks continues.
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He could drive over there (why not? Fish are being tortured, save them at all cost) and say, "Hey you beeks, stop poaching sockeye salmon. You guys are flossing fish that are not biting. Flossing is snagging. Snaggers are poachers! Stop poaching or get off the river!"
We don't have a problem saying that to fella forum members, so please don't hold back at the river.
;D There are not many guys who have guts to preach on an alley of outlaws ;D ;D
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No my smelly socks, but lots of heroes who seem to have the virtual guts to do so on the world wide web.
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Get a grip on this before it gets out of hand, BTW my name is Dale Larsen I live in Laidlaw and I do believe we are on the same side, if you will refrain from insulting me I will pay you the same respect, however if you actually believe one person can make a difference by going up to a row of bottom bouncers and yelling at them calling them snaggers more power to you. I have been writing letters to the editor of my local paper, letters to the DFO and one letter to Barry Penner, actually I've been doing what I can. I would gladly stand with you on the Kieth Wilson Road bridge and call out the snaggers because police response time to save our sorry lives would be short but to call them out on the scale bar would take at least twenty minutes and it's a really long swim over to Silver Cr. across the river once we got turfed in.
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Try taking pictures of their faces and report them. I'd stop it if I were them :)
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What they are doing is not illegal they would have no problem with getting their picture taken they are proud to be snaggers the only way I can think of to curtail it is go in at night and anchor about 600 ft' of 1 inch rope parallel to the shore about 100 ft out of wading range. About a 400 lb. rock as the upstream anchor with 200 pounders every 50 ft or so along the rope should beat even the strongest fireline. This is just humour of course.
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Damn I did not know confronting a group of snaggers on the river and call it what it is can be so hazardous! :o
Perhaps this is needed.
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I guess due to the safety concern, an ambitious individual feels it is much more effective to tell snaggers it is what it is on the world wide web to minimize the chances of going for a swim! In return, snaggers have no problem singling out ethical fanatics and make sure their fishing ways are not disrupted. :o
I will continue to sit idly like apparently I have in the last few years. In fact, this is rather entertaining to see grown men displaying their low mental age in public by being buddy buddy to each other the rest of the year, and kick each other in the groin or stab each other in the back in July and August. Like I said in another post, some psych grad student should really do up a thesis paper on this phenomenon.
For those who missed it...
AN INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM IS NOT WHERE CHANGES IN REGULATIONS ARE MADE!!! QUIT WASTING MY BLOODY TIME BY POSTING REPETITIVE USELESS ARGUMENTS THAT I HAVE TO READ, PROCESS, EDIT, AND DELETE.
I DID NOT START A WEBSITE FOR ME OR OTHERS TO VOICE MY STAND.
Please enjoy your stay. :-*
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Nosey, do you want to make a difference and actually do something about it?
If you are as concerned about the sockeye as you say you are, why not go to DFO and get them to make Springs on the Fraser non-retention? That would take the majority of the BB's (or Snaggers as you like to call them) off the river since they are all meat fishermen anyways. You being a person fishing for "Sport" would not have any objection to this would you? You could still Bar fish on the Fraser and have the satisfaction of releasing a nice chinook or two since you do realize that chinook populations are declining as well.
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Flat out honestly, I'm not big into c&ring springs either, when I catch a spring I go home and when I fill out my card I quit going fishing. BTW Rodney don't hold back, let us know how you realy feel. :)
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Nosey --- changers are coming and the snaggers will be upset.
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Yep, get the changes done through proper channels, instead of wasting time bickering in here. That advice goes to both sides.
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And although I know an internet discussion forum is not a place where changes in regulations are made it is a place where opinions are formed and even in some cases changed, there are a lot of new fishermen out there ( by new I mean since 1996) that don't even realise that angling is about getting fish to bite and a surprising amount of them that still believe that flossed fish actually do bite. They also do not realise how fragile the sockeye are ore how high a mortality rate they have when caught and released. When they come to a site like this they do realise that there are ethical questions regarding their methods of fishing, they can actually become better informed by reading this garbage, they are sure not going to learn this stuff standing on the scale bar flossing in a line of other bottom bouncers. I apologize if you think I'm a coward for not going over to the scale bar and calling everyone a bunch of snaggers, but there have been 2 stabbings there and numerous fist fights and that was just amounst themselves I do not believe it would be a prudent thing to do. People are also not going to learn the ethical considerations of snagging by reading the regulations or speaking to the owners of the sporting goods shops that make their living selling them bouncing betties. Internet forums reach the biggest amount of new fishers of any method and although laws cannot be changed here attitudes can be. And obviously without people being informed fully as to the ethical considerations their attitudes will not be changed and without changing attitudes and opinions the laws will not be changed. I'm not totally innocent here, I used to bottom bounce for springs and I quit, came over to the light so to speak mainly because of a friend of mine who's a guide in Chilliwack made me give my head a rattle, I figured if he's passing up $500.00 days cause he won't bb then maybe I should have a better look at the issue. Actually the only place new fishermen can get full opinions of both sides of the story is on the internet and I do realise that hard core flossers will not be swayed but there are lots of people that may change their minds by becoming fully informed on all the issues. So Rodney I do understand your frustration with whats going on but I don't agree with you completely on the use of internet forums as I think they can make a difference in the forming of peoples opinions and the education of new fishermen on ethical issues and I'm still pretty sure that you were out of line with the WAH WAH WAH thing as I was by suggesting you were testicularly challenged.
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I tottaly agree with rodney big controbution we all make on saving the damn sockeye through crying on this site. As for the virtual "BIG GUNS" yes please go tell people that they are snagging and should stop now HAH! come on now people either do something about it or sit on the fence and hate on each other when we are the least of the sox problems right now. None of this is ever going to stop in my opinion the people that can actually stop this just dont seem to care enough salmon just magicly come back every year in big numbers right ???
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Wow, this kind of blows me away.... I agree that I am sick of all the snagger and flossing threads as well but this is a first for me...I would REALLY like to see some guys take action into their own hands and am glad someone finally said go over and do something about it!!! I've tried to in the past and have been deleted for saying it. Nosey, I completely understand your position...Its not a game for you and the possibility of your getting hurt is real.... I would like to see a few "clean ups" set up where we have all the same guys show up but go "Clean up" a few individuals or groups of snaggers in a way that will make our position known and the consequences as well...That is the only way things will change, The DFO doesn't give a flying F*** about us sport fishman...we are not even on their radar so don't assume they will do anything other then look the other way...I think it's time to stand up and be counted...I'm sure I can already hear the sound of all footsteps heading for the door but for once, reach down boys and grab those jewels and lets go play some "Softball"
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I guess someone didn't get the sarcasm in my previous posts.
Your assumptions demonstrate how ineffective your effort has been. Pick up a rod and go fishing.
What makes your ethics, a lawful citizen, better than the ethics of another lawful citizen? You're telling me that you can persuade someone who thinks his or her way is right to be your pressumably right way?
When they come to a site like this they do realise that there are ethical questions regarding their methods of fishing, they can actually become better informed by reading this garbage, they are sure not going to learn this stuff standing on the scale bar flossing in a line of other bottom bouncers.
So, those who frequently visit this website are also the ones frequently visiting scale bar eh? Thanks for the confirmation that this is the flossing capital of the world wide web.
People are also not going to learn the ethical considerations of snagging by reading the regulations
Of course not! Because it's not the regulations!
or speaking to the owners of the sporting goods shops that make their living selling them bouncing betties.
My gosh, shop owners only care about money but not the natural resource that their business relies on? :o Did you read that, shop owners? ;)
Internet forums reach the biggest amount of new fishers of any method
Numeric evidence to back up that claim please.
So Rodney I do understand your frustration with whats going on but I don't agree with you completely on the use of internet forums as I think they can make a difference in the forming of peoples opinions and the education of new fishermen on ethical issues
Oh wait! I do believe there is an established website that is dedicated to this cause! It does a rather effective job too!
Educating new fishermen on ethical issues... I've seen the approach, kind of alternative compared to mainstream education.
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I would like to see a few "clean ups" set up where we have all the same guys show up but go "Clean up" a few individuals or groups of snaggers in a way that will make our position known and the consequences as well...
Ok Paul, when you guys get there, and someone asks, "Who's your leader???"
Don't say, "Rodney!"
And no, the FWR banner cannot be borrowed!
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Oh! By the way! Over 35,000 sockeye salmon were harvested last weekend. :D
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/SockeyeKeptCatch.html
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Rodney you need to have a break from all of this ;D Im sure you cant wait till pinks start entering the lower fraser in good numbers :)
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Whoa! I guess this was the straw that broke the camel's back! :o So, the real question here is King Lear, here to stay? Or do we go back to the comfortable and familiar and tomorrow, this thread is deleted and everyone acts like nothing's happened?
For what it's worth Rod, (and not to throw words back into your teeth) this is your vision for this site:
Fishing with Rod is an online angling magazine based in British Columbia, Canada. We cater anglers of all ages, races and skill levels. It was launched in May, 2001 and has been one of the more popular fishing websites in BC. Our objectives are to keep you updated with the latest information on fishing condition, current fishing-related issues and fishing-related events. We devote half of our effort on fishing and the other half on conservation. Become part of our community by joining our discussion forum now!
I see the words conservation, and current fishing related issues and events in there. And, all these threads about this topic is a conservation related issue. If there weren't concerns about fish stocks, the sheer vehemence with which these threads rage (and you subsequently have to moderate) wouldn't be such an issue.
Nosey: there's very little you could have done and for anyone to suggest otherwise may want to take their own words to heart and go down there and see if they can stop the snagging. Being outnumbered three to one is bad enough but fifty to one? And since we have no legal grounds to do anything about it, best we can do is call the DFO or CO's. While I don't mind a good mix-up, it's been a few years and I'm getting older, slower and a little fatter. But, I guess that's where experience and training comes in. ;)
Anyways, keep up the drama. It's made for a rather interesting day. ;D ;D ;D
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Let's just close the Fraser from all fishing to give the socs a break. I don't know if a c&r sockeye will die because I have not seen a dead soc floating down river as of the last |I fished in July. But I think with the socs being caught left & right, perhaps DFO should just shut down the river to all fishing. I think besides the bbers, bfers can also hook them and have the poor fish drag along a big lead during the fight. I| also think it is possible that those big cannon balls casted by bfers can easily land on the thicker socs now and bonk the fish accidentally. So, why not petition DFO to close down the river to all sporties, and let DFO decides if they have the stomach to tell FN to stop too. I think you can do much more for the fish by cutting off the ropes of those illegal nets which takes much more fish (since bfers mostly have boats), and you will be safer because it is not 50 against 1. Perhaps no one is around to see it. ;D
Ya, close the darn river and cut those nets. Then there will be peace on the river. For me, time to explore bass fishing. ;D
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Bad idea steelhawk, that would screw us all for pinks... It's happened before... I believe in 2001... Water was thick with fish and you couldn't target salmon.
Can we not just behave responsibly?
A very fun fishery is coming up, and those fish bite. It's the best way to get new anglers into salmon, they are very aggressive.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Rodney please get off the soap box. You’re digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole with these pontifications.
So sorry that you didn’t get your way and your tantrum had no effect..
In guess you didn’t know Canada is a democracy and the majority is what make the decisions whether we like them or not.
Its very simple if you want to stop the discussion follow the forums advice from before and stop bring up the subject, trying to ram these elitist fishing ideas down the average goys throat. . Bottom bouncing is not illegal, a majority of people want to fish that way. Go after the real cause in fish stock the NETS and stop picking on the average fisherman who wants to go out a get a couple of salmon for his freezer, enjoy the fresh air and get some excercise
All your tantrum does is confirm the attitude that as far as your concerned there are no other opinions but yours. Sorry but that’s not the way it works and yelling and screaming stamping your feet and rail against anyone who dares to disagree with your almighty opinion is going to have the complete opposite effect and lower all credibility.
cheers
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Here's a good solution......... Go to the scale bar or wherever and hand out a no fishing ticket good till sept.
this would mean that if they really dont like the way your fishing they could stop you from fishing for the remainder of that particular run, or season.
no fines just a stay away from the fraser ticket, I think you'll see more people give it up.
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I agree that nosey should not confront those people!! I also agree with nicole BRING ON THE PINKS!
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I agree that nosey should not confront those people!! I also agree with nicole BRING ON THE PINKS!
Don`t count on a spectacular Pink salmon run just yet. I`ve been out twice this week fly fishing pinks with my friend and mentor. He`s been doing this since about 1981 and he says this is one of the worst returns for pinks he can remember. It`s possible the runs could be later than normal but we will have to wait and see. I`ll here more from him in a few days as he`s fishing pinks this whole week he has off on his holidays.
BTW, it`s not like we are not running into Pinks...just not what would be considered *normal* amounts showing up.
Cheers
Nuggy
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Rodney please get off the soap box. You’re digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole with these pontifications.
What? Ran out of pop corn? (http://www.flybc.ca/forum/style_emoticons/flybc/rotflmao.gif)
Yes, majority makes the decision, which are not made ON THE INTERNET. Where am I telling those who have a different view to shut it? I'm suggesting that those who have a strong view should push for their thought through proper channel where decisions are made. I see two very unorganized bodies that actually think they are making a difference in a tiny school yard.
I am not pro or anti flossing. I read your and everyone else's posts and all have some very valid points. You people have one common goal, yet you let yourself split apart with one tiny difference instead of sitting down together on a table to figure out what needs to be accomplished. It's a tragedy that one does not know whether to laugh or cry about. Why isn't there a group formed to accommodate barfishers so there is a representation on the SFAC (there isn't one at this point)? Why isn't there a group formed for those who are interested in sockeye fishing so they can pinpoint the problem in their group, work with DFO and fix it (oh wait! they exist already, join them)? Instead people are willing to use the media to sway people's opinion or make changes without the other group's knowledge, then come on the discussion forum to tease the opposition as if there has been a victory. Democracy? (http://www.flybc.ca/forum/style_emoticons/flybc/rotflmao.gif)
News flash people. There are just under 10,000 people visiting this website (let's not be confused now, the website, not the forum) each day. A small percentage of those visitors come in the discussion forum to read or participate. The same people revisit the forum each day, it averages around 1 new participant every two or three days. Most of us are only here for one reason (raise your hand please), to read the fishing reports, find out where the fish are biting, good store deals, learn how to catch more fish, share fishing stories, photos and videos with those who you have become friends with. A small number of people are the same participants who get involved in this repetitive discussion, which generates no interest from the rest of us (I'm interested? No, I have to read it. You come up to me and talk about flossing in real life, I nod and nod until you stop talking). Yes, a few people read it and pick it up with great interest, but if you think that you are changing how this fishery is operated by discussion forum participation.... (http://www.flybc.ca/forum/style_emoticons/flybc/rotflmao.gif)
The advice still stands for both groups (since 2003 actually, I'm just stating it more strongly now). Quit whining on the forum, form the organizations needed, get the regulations fixed or whatever changes that accommodate you.
Tantrum... (http://www.flybc.ca/forum/style_emoticons/flybc/rotflmao.gif)
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Nosey, respectfully, why don't you edit your public post NOT to include the exact location if you are concerned.
Nosey, respectfully, why don't you edit your public post NOT to include the exact location if you are concerned.
It's strange to say the least - on one hand you say you are concerned about the socks and on the other hand you advertise the location of where to get them.
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It's not just those two bars, right now on every sockeye bar up here there are people out ignoring the fisheries request to make every effort to avoid catching sockeye that they possibly can which btw was repeated again in their sockeye update yesterday,at this time of year it doesn't matter, the scale bar is crowded and announcing that on the internet is no news to anyone and the end of St. Elmo is also being fished to capacity. I'm sorry Rodney doesn't believe his forum has any impact on the way people view the fishery and if he'd look at the numbers he'd probably realize that more people read this thread today than any fishing report published in the last month. I thought it was a serious current conservation related problem I was addressing in my first post and he responded to me with sarcasm and ridicule, if he just thinks people are here to read the fishing reports why even have a general discussion section. If the DFO are still making the request that people should make every effort to avoid sockeye and people are still ignoring it, it should be mentioned somewhere where fishermen are reading it and more fishermen read this forum than any other place I can think of.
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whoops I checked the numbers well 545 reads in 9 hours is pretty close to the fishing reports also if you'll read my first post you'll notice that I wasn't the one that mentioned snaggers, bottom bouncers, or flossers, that was all brought in later by someone who was definitely RANTING. Fly at it I won't be posting on this thread again.
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Nosey, I'll spell this out for you since you don't seem to understand. How do you think that starting yet another thread about flossing on the fraser on this site will stop those who choose to ignore DFO's selective fishing request? The majority of those out there flossing away don't even read Rodney's site and those that do obviously don't care what you or your friends have to say. Do you have anything new to report that we don't already know? Do you know how much time and effort it takes to moderate a website everytime something like that is posted?
I'll ask you again, since you are so concerned with the Fraser sockeye runs, are you willing to forego your retention of springs for the rest of the year (and possibly not fill your card) so that the "unselective" methods get curtailed?
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lol... Not sure why I still bother, but what the heck, it's not midnight yet. ;D
I'm sorry Rodney doesn't believe his forum has any impact on the way people view the fishery and if he'd look at the numbers he'd probably realize that more people read this thread today than any fishing report published in the last month.
Really???
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15464.0 <-- 955 views
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15450.0 <-- 1065 views
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15476.0 <-- 772 views
So far the number of views on this thread, 548 views. Am I missing something? ???
By the way, the number of views does not represent the number of people. Being so obsessive on this topic, I probably clicked on it at least 50 times so far. That's 50 views! Do the math, oh wait...
if he just thinks people are here to read the fishing reports why even have a general discussion section.
Correction, I don't think, I know. Somehow I doubt you're getting the traffic report that I am getting, unless you have the password...
Perhaps a revisit of my previous post is needed, as usual:
Most of us are only here for one reason (raise your hand please), to read the fishing reports, find out where the fish are biting, good store deals, learn how to catch more fish, share fishing stories, photos and videos with those who you have become friends with.
Does that explain the existance of a general discussion section, or should I break it down further?
it should be mentioned somewhere where fishermen are reading it and more fishermen read this forum than any other place I can think of.
Think harder, or reread my post:
There are just under 10,000 people visiting this website (let's not be confused now, the website, not the forum) each day. A small percentage of those visitors come in the discussion forum to read or participate.
And... because of that, the information is put at a place where most readers will go to when they enter the website. Like...
The Fishy News!!! (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/index.html)
where you'll find this lovely notice (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/070622_1.html) and ongoing fishery notices from DFO.
or...
The Lower Mainland Fishing Report!!! (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishing_report/lower_mainland.html)
where you'll find...
The non-tidal section of the Fraser River continues to remain dirty and high. Barfishing is difficult but not impossible. The best fishing is still a few weeks away. For more information on the Fraser River chinook salmon fishery, please read this notice (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=99514&ID=recreational). Due to a low abundance of sockeye salmon, no sockeye salmon fishing is currently allowed on the Fraser River. For more information, please read this page (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/070622_1.html).
Convinced yet? Or am I still lying? (http://www.flybc.ca/forum/style_emoticons/flybc/rotflmao.gif)
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I forgot about you Nicole..you can have an honorary set of jewels as you got more then allot of guys I've met..
So much for the banner idea Rod...you party pooper...
I had a nice little song all ready too..
"Onward christian fisherman, marching as to war...with a cross full of snaggers, going on before" Or something like that.. ;D
Merc, what do you mean your getting a "Little" fat...hell brother, i've seen that belly.. :o...can't be making fun of my tattered old bod anymore... :'(
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In guess you didn’t know Canada is a democracy and the majority is what make the decisions whether we like them or not.
Actually, in Canada, the loudest gets heard and makes the decision. Definitely not the majority.
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Actually, in Canada, the loudest gets heard and makes the decision. Definitely not the majority.
Or the guy that locks the topic ;)
ALL OF YOU!!!!! Quitcher bellyachin' You've turned poor Rod into MORE of a raving lunatic than he already was and you're just making more and more desirable to shut the forums down for "Summer vacation" in the future.
Everyone(Rod included!) Go! Out! Buy a cheap boat (inflatable - anything) and paddle onto a lake.. Drop the anchor, and close your eyes. Don't have to fish... just pretend... I do it in a boat all the time... I call it fishing, but it's really just my little excuse to get away ;)