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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: liketofish on August 08, 2007, 04:52:05 PM
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This question should be asked with the mods. Are there any more sockeye updates? The last update suggests that the next update should be Aug 6.
Also, are there more trout stocking updates or there are no more stocking? The last posted are in June.
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For sockeye, look it up at this link. Remember, it's YOUR responsibility to know the regs. Never rely on anybody else.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_results&lang=en&ID=recreational&Year=2007
As to trout stocks, I don't know.
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You guys are right about finding info yourself, but this site does provides these threads or links which people can get used to relying on. ;)
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15192.0
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Maybe Fraser River sockeye updates should become a service provided for subscribers. ;D
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I resent your insinuation that subscribers are flossers ! ;D ;D
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Probably the majority.... ;D ;D
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I resent your insinuation that subscribers are flossers ! ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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So Chris is a closet flosser ;D He's probably a die hard in the wool Canuck fan too ! ;D ;D That Make Belief hat is just a facade
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Here is a small piece from the notice that came out today. I still don't know why they are so worried about the by catch from rec-fishermen when they allow netting at the same time.
Recreational fisheries for Fraser River sockeye in South Coast marine waters
and tidal portion of the Fraser are non-retention and there is no fishing for
sockeye in non-tidal waters of the Fraser River.
In the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River, the best information available to
the Department is that although there is a no fishing for sockeye restriction
in place, that there is considerable interaction with sockeye salmon in the
recreational fishery in these areas, particularly above the Aggasiz/Rosedale
Bridge.
The Department is meeting with the Sport Fish Advisory Committee for the Upper
Fraser Valley on Monday August 13th to discuss options to reduce interaction
with sockeye.
Anglers fishing for chinook salmon are again asked to take every measure
possible to ensure that their fishing activities are not impacting sockeye
salmon.
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This is one of the reasons why their license sales are going down, because DFO is not interested to give their majority 'customers' (yes, we sporties) a break. They will bend over their backs to accomodate FN who does not pay DFO a cent and who take a large chunk of the fish. Yet for those of us who buy licenses, pay taxes and only take 2% of the fish, we always get the rotten end of the deal in fishing opportunities. Not a successful business model anywhere in the real world. They may as well declare a closure to sport fishing on the Fraser for sporties, so people can just buy off their fish from FN and save some tiime and gas bills. Just don't complain when their license sales take a huge plunge. :D
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Give me a break Chris the catch rates were minimal and almost non existant on Sockeye until this last week, Ask Duncan(dfo observer) who was on many bars( scale mostly) and he could tell you that sox during that closure were not even around and barely touched, barely. This is due ONLY too way lower than projected returns, and HOW can ANYONE from the sports fishing community continue to tell any others from the sports community to worry about a FEW sockeye being caught and released when native nets are killing the same drastically low returns, Better pick your arguemnet a lot better than that Chris as it now holds NO WATER at all
Ok if it was that bad I will delete it. ;D ;D Actually I donot want to get into this debate anymore as points have been made.
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well instead of admitting the mistakes, here lets get off our butts and force DFO to smarten up.
Its quit obvious whats happened with all the yelling screaming, wild exaggerations going on, and the special interest groups complaining etc etc.
That's what DFO's listening too instead of the real facts.
concerned about the interaction between sports fisherman and the sockeye what a joke, what about the 40+ nets confiscated now thats interaction.
We'll just see how good of a job they do at the meeting on monday. Typical bureaucratic bungling, BS and double talk. Even the natives can net the rest of us should be able to catch sockeye as well.
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From Gary point park in Steveston today I could see there were lots of boats out netting the lower fraser. They were every 100 yards or so on both side, with fairly short nets and small boats. I assume it was a native sockeye opening.
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From Gary point park in Steveston today I could see there were lots of boats out netting the lower fraser. They were every 100 yards or so on both side, with fairly short nets and small boats. I assume it was a native sockeye opening.
That's the 24 hour sockeye opening given to the Musqueam and Tsawwassen First Nations until tomorrow noon.
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This is where the hypocricy of DFO lies. Conservation is the top mandate of DFO. The only justification to shut us sporties down is when the stock is threatened. As Cammer said, how then in the world they can open up the fishery to FN using potent drift nets on those fish they consider threatened. Do they have to harrass us sporties as if we are just prawns and don't count for anything ??? >:(
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Conservation first, F/N food and ceremonial second.
In the case of Sockeye, commercial after this then if any left sportys.
You had "all" better just get over the F/N thing, the new treaty's are giving F/N priority after food and ceremonial.
You are just waiting your time and energy.
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Conservation first, F/N food and ceremonial second.
In the case of Sockeye, commercial after this then if any left sportys.
I had actually thought it was stated as FN FS&C then rec then commies no? I seem to recall the poor guys that make a living being at the bottom of the pile.
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Not for Sockeye.
In no time there will be no Commercial group as we know it, as there licenses are being bought out and used in treaty negotiations.
It will evolve to a F/N commercial fishery in the long term.
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From what I remember seeing, there are quite a few commie licences that have been owned by natives for years... A fairly decent percentage actually.
Does anyone know more about this? I saw it on the CBC news a few years back.
Cheers,
Nicole
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B.C. sockeye dwindling
By Scott Simpson
Vancouver Sun
Friday, August 10, 2007
If you're planning to put some fresh, wild British Columbia sockeye on the barbecue this summer, you'd better act quickly.
Lower Mainland seafood retailers said on Friday that their supply of the prized salmon is dwindling as north coast fisheries wind down - and the decline of this year's Fraser River sockeye run is so acute that it cannot withstand a commercial harvest.
On Friday, the Pacific Salmon Commission said the Fraser sockeye migration continues to be far lower than expected - 1.2 million summer-migrating sockeye versus a preseason projection of 3.3 million - and recommends the Fraser remain closed to commercial fishing.
The B.C. Salmon Marketing Council plans a major push later this month to promote other salmon species, notably pink and chum salmon which are apparently not experiencing the same population decline as their higher-grade cousins.
Scientists with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans are attributing this year's Fraser sockeye crash, which has shut down the commercial fishery and curtailed recreational angling and aboriginal food fishing, to poor ocean survival.
Seafood shops around the region would usually be offering fresh Fraser sockeye by now, but they've been relying on supplies coming from commercial fisheries on the Skeena and Nass river systems.
As those fisheries draw to a close, some shops plan to switch to other species, while others will shift to frozen fish.
"The other options are pinks and chums but I don't sell those species," said Malcolm McMillan, who operates Inlet Seafoods at Port Moody's Newport Village.
McMillan was one of the first B.C. retailers to stop selling farmed salmon on the premise that it is not an environmentally sustainable product.
But he said a salmon's pedigree is not the only determinant.
"Pinks and chums are just not good enough for me. They are lower end stuff. Although they are wild, I'd rather get into a frozen sockeye or spring than sell a fresh pink."
He also sells fresh chinook - but the supply of those fish is also in decline.
The standard market price for for fresh sockeye is $10 a pound and without an infusion of Fraser fish, that's where the price will stay.
"I think it's been a tough year for local fishermen, but on the retail end I think the only thing that's been affected is the price point - and it hasn't dropped this year," said Dave Moorehead of Longliner Seafoods at Granville Island.
Kosta Zogaris, operator of Lonsdale Quay's Salmon Shop, is still clinging to hope that the sockeye runs are simply migrating much later than usual, but says he'll switch to fresh chum and pink if that's what the fishermen are bringing in.
"I think it's a good opportunity for people to start appreciating other fish," Zogaris said. "Pinks are awesome on the barbecue and they are undervalued."
Salmon Marketing Council general manager Grant Snell notes that some of B.C.'s top dining establishments, including award-winning C Restaurant, list pink salmon on the menu.
"I don't want the minimize the impact when something like this happens," Snell said. "It's devastating to the people in the industry that were relying on it, the fishermen, the processors and retailers who may specialize in the sockeye. But the good news to the consumer is that they will still be able to go to the store and get a wild salmon."
First nations up and down the Fraser drainage, meanwhile, are struggling through the worst year on record for their food fishery.
"It's the first year in history when the aboriginal food fishery is in danger of being shut down," said Ernie Crey, senior advisor to the Sto:lo Tribal Council.
He said the impact is "really profound" on small aboriginal communities that rely each summer on Fraser sockeye as an inexpensive source of food.
However, conservationist Craig Orr of Watershed Watch said the problem is so acute this year that even an aboriginal food fishery is unwise.
"The continued low returns of summer sockeye remain extremely alarming. Any fishing will only exacerbate conservation concerns," Orr said.ssimpson@png.canwest.com
© Vancouver Sun
So they still have openings, I guess the Sockeye aren't in danger of extintion, or is this there "last supper" :-\
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From what I remember seeing, there are quite a few commie licences that have been owned by natives for years... A fairly decent percentage actually.
Does anyone know more about this? I saw it on the CBC news a few years back.
Cheers,
Nicole
It is about 25% of the fleet.
It will change to 100% as the treaty's are resolved and the old commercial fishermen get out due to age and $.
That is not necessarily bad, but it could be.
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It will be real sad if FN eventually replaces the old commies. The commies took lots of fish but basically they work with DFO and honour closures. The other group may have some members complying, but we all know many don't and can defy DFO during closures. That is scary to think the future commies will defy DFO and DFO can't do anything about that. You really think the Fraser fish can stand endless raping of the fish by drift nets days and nights legally and illegally?
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Nuggy, are you saying that flossers have no right to say anything about the real danger to the Fraser fish stock - those illegally placed massive killing nets? DFO has not indicated clearly the selective method is only for bar-fishing nor have they declared bottom bouncing illegal. I have not hooked into a soc so my damage to sockeye is zero. Are you sure your heavy lead didn't knock out a few socs? No? Really? How can you be so sure? ;D Ok, enough silly talk, back to the big picture.
Don't let your bias overrides the concern of most conscientious fishermen, many of whom are bbers. Focus on the big pictures, unless your small mind cannot see anything big except those who disagree with you. The real threat are those darn nets all over the river, and if those nets are officially for profit as legitimzed by commercial fishing power, then good luck to our fish species. So, stop the bickering and focus on the real culpit.
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I'm right!
No. I'm right!
I'm ethical!
No. I am!
I conserve!
I conserve more!
My brain is bigger!
No way!
My dead fish is more meaningful!
A dead fish is a dead fish!
Shorten that leader!
No it's legal!
Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.....
Psst, news flash...
AN INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM IS NOT WHERE CHANGES IN REGULATIONS ARE MADE!!! QUIT WASTING MY BLOODY TIME BY POSTING REPETITIVE USELESS ARGUMENTS THAT I HAVE TO READ, PROCESS, EDIT, AND DELETE.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT!
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Well said Rod.....
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Well said Rod. These battles between the cannon balls and the bouncing betties are leading nowhere except disrespect and bad blood to fisherman brotherhood. It is a waste of time of me for sure. I am only responding as a man should when some one fires the first shot at you out of the blue. Never knows why we cannot all fish in peace. If it is possible, some one can write Rod a program to automatically delete any posts with words such as 'flossers' or even any reference of 'snagging' on 'Fraser', that will save you all the troubles. ;D ;D Because w/o these derogatory terms, no one needs to fire back in self defense. ;D
Now back to the serious subject of FN eventually taking over the commercial sector, is there really going to be a reality? Does that mean fish prices will be substantially reduced? Well you can only mark up so much in the supermarket if FN are selling them fish cheap, like $5 per fish to the big chain. ;D ;D ;D
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Now back to the serious subject of FN eventually taking over the commercial sector, is there really going to be a reality? Does that mean fish prices will be substantially reduced? Well you can only mark up so much in the supermarket if FN are selling them fish cheap, like $5 per fish to the big chain. ;D ;D ;D
Right... Jim pattison did not get as rich as he is by giving things away... If you believe store prices will go down if the fish are from FNs, I have a great bridge to sell ya, it's a bit of a fixer upper, but good price ;D
(http://www.srh.noaa.gov/maf/Dust_Devil/Issues/SpringSpecial_2004/toyah/image020_med.jpg)
Cheers,
Nicole
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Wow, Nicole. Where is that bridge? The Minnesota one? Makes you wonder when our bridges on the Vedder or the Chelhalis will go like that. ;D