Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: eddy on April 13, 2007, 08:00:18 AM
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Anyone seen any DFO predictions for this coming season? This is where keeping a log would come in handy. But, I didn't. ::)
So, what do you guys think? ???
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Yup I dont have the link handy but I do remember one thing. 16-20million pinks are predicted :)
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hopefully a few of those has my name on them :)
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The early spring chinook run has been good so far from what I have heard.. a sign of things to come? Hope so... I also hope we aren't fishing from the trees, or my front porch till August lol!
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Does the DFO do any forecasting for the Indian River?
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Good to hear that the pink run is expected to be 20 million. Let the fun begin !
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I'll make another note to go with the above post. Everytime that I make such a suggestion on reduction in recreational fishing opportunities, it basically jeopardizes this website and my business as many individuals in the industry read the website and forum. It's almost crazy to be asking people to fish less, which may lead to less businesses for retailers, guides and lodges, resulting in possible losses of potential or existing advertisers on the website. Knowing the risks, it has to be said if we still wish to have fishing opportunities in ten years, twenty years or a few decades from now.
Well Rodney, the river is closed to them anyways so no risk in asking people not to fish for them but I definitely understand your point. My "source" for how the run is doing this year comes from how many are being netted by the 1st nations. A natve friend of mine was saying the other day how much fresh spring he's been eating lately... sad.
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Better fund management from DFO (infact all government agency). Revive some now closed hatchery programs. Re-think if leaving wild fish along to rebuild on it's on is the right thing (without drastic increase in numbers those 5, 10 sets of brood fish might just dissapear, by then what's there to protect? Besides, if natural selection is critical, why not setout fertilized eggs into man made redds in river beds?)
Rec fishery would feel more willing to fishless or even not harvest certain salmon runs if FN openings and their cathes are better regulated and the catch is really what they claim it's for. I wouldn't feel I should be saving those salmons if I'm seeing $1.50/lb for sockeyes while I'm not even allowed to keep 1.
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Rod, I think the majority of these runs are hatchery supplemented.
So, to say we the sports anglers will cause the demise of these runs is a real stretch.
Also, as noted the Sports Anglers catch few in comparison to others.
DFO has not yet declared these fish an endangered stock, they are a stock of concern.
There is a big difference.
One always has the choice of fishing for these or not.
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I thought this over reely hard in the past hour (also regarding ur fishbc post) I'm not trying to sound like a dick rod...but I think you should spend a little more time fishing for springs on the fraser before you actually go ahead and promote your closing of the river to recreational sport fishers! If you saw the amounts of springs taken by the FA's at this time of year, you would be amazed! now I get it that you have facts! and you know that most of us recs have the common sense to know that we take roughly 1 out of every 100 springs caught out there in the spring! They're popping their drift nets in and going for a drift taking everything with them, including COQUEHALLA RIVER STEELHEAD! which I know are in the river right now!
Its not an easy task to catch a spring early on! I've been lucky compared to some early on! one weekend I got 4 at the beginning of may! I lost 1 released 2 and bonked 1! and I know that there is tons of fish hung up in nets right now as we speak!
So before you start this closing of the recreationals, you should think about the other people using the river! and the common sense that a net will do way more damage right now, than people plunking their single hook and line out there for a day!
I could go way more in depth right now, and don't reely care if I get slammed!
Mike <")))))))><
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Rod, you missed one of the big points, most of these runs are enhanced..
Also, DFO has stated there will be no changes for this year.
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Good points there rod...I'll tell you what...if I get out there...I'll release a couple more than usual early on for ya ;D proper ethics....and yes I am slowly getting to know what to say now that I am getting involved...every post is more experience...one day here I'll have the balls to be like who cares what people say!
Mike <")))))))><
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I'm callin quite a bit of catch and regrease regulations in the future
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Edit: Nevermind, who cares anyway. :-*
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Comparing current escapement to early 2000, 1990 and 1980 is not a good comparison. Back in 1980, that's when the highest number of hatcheries were in operation, the number of brook stock increased dramatically. However, in 1990 the ocean survival rate dropped and the salmon escapement numbers dropped, this is further impacted by closure of numerous hatcheries and that further decreased return rate. Over the years the number kept on dropping due to continuouse bad ocean survival rate and the limited funding available to SEP that reduced the salmon production rate further.
At current return rate we are still slightly better than pre-1980's numbers (before hatcheries).
By limiting all sectors' catch rate this may temparary slow down salmon stock declining rate, but will send a false signal to government that the fishery is recovering and hence, no additional funding is required.
If comparing adult spawner number from BC to that of Washington State (similar salmon migration route), where Washington has an ongoing stable hatchery funding the number has been increasing steadily (dispite of DFO claimed poor ocean survival rate). The reduction of funding for hatcheries in BC is the major contribution to overall decline.
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Rodney
Has a valid point, at some point in time, some segment has to take the high road.
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Rod, I think the majority of these runs are hatchery supplemented.
So, to say we the sports anglers will cause the demise of these runs is a real stretch.
Also, as noted the Sports Anglers catch few in comparison to others.
DFO has not yet declared these fish an endangered stock, they are a stock of concern.
There is a big difference.
One always has the choice of fishing for these or not.
pretty well my thoughts
I have no problem targeting a particular run for a non- fishery providing all parties sport, native, commercial participate .
as most of those fisheries are supplemented one way or another by hatcheries ,i think it will not be long before government bows out and leases/sells the rights to private concerns .
whats a solution for the good of the 1/ stock 2 / sport ?
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You are right about the hatcherys.
If bill C-45 passes, you can be guaranteed they will bocome user pay!!
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Good points there rod...I'll tell you what...if I get out there...I'll release a couple more than usual early on for ya ;D proper ethics....and yes I am slowly getting to know what to say now that I am getting involved...every post is more experience...one day here I'll have the balls to be like who cares what people say!
Mike <")))))))><
personally Mike , I admire someone who says what he is thinking. dressing it up or down makes no difference. say what you mean and mean what you say. that way you won't be accused of being a fence sitting politician. get involved. you don't have to be liked, just respected.
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This is not good, not alot of springs returning to the Thompson, i might have to actuallly work for them this year! ;D :D 8)
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As always, Rodney, an excellent response to my very simple question.
Fear not, there are enough fish for everyone. If closure is necessary for any species, I'm all for it. None of us are starving, so it's not as though we need the chinook or sockeye to survive. Having 20 million pinks to play with is more than any of us need to enjoy this sport. And remember, it is a sport and not a game of survival.
Enjoy! :) :) :) :)
Thanks again, Rod.
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You are right about the hatcherys.
If bill C-45 passes, you can be guaranteed they will bocome user pay!!
It's hard to believe we are not already paying with the cost of a license. Or is that banquet money.
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Natives have been constantly drift netting for the past week!
Hope this slows down now that the freshet is upon us!
Mike <"))))))))><
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Rodney, your data shows a drastic decline in chinook stock for upper and mid Fraser. Concern for these stocks is justified and it might not be too far in the future that we are looking at closures once again. It has been suggested that these stocks have been enhanced which is incorrect. These chinook are all from wild stock with the exception of a small number that are released from Spius hatchery.
I just wounder how many chinook it takes to satisfy some of the anglers? Ten chinook averaging 20 lbs = 200 lbs. How many anglers will be consuming that amount of fish? Oh, I forgot that most anglers have large extended families that they have to feed. How many freezer burnt fish are thrown out each year?
Apparently Chris has put a large dent in the chinook population and should be band from the river. Blackberry picking has been great from all reports.