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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: DionJL on February 18, 2007, 11:30:22 AM

Title: What is a short leader?
Post by: DionJL on February 18, 2007, 11:30:22 AM
I always hear comments about people flossing, snagging, sweaping, etc. and the main comment is they are using too long of a leader. Now what is TOO long? If your short floating is 20" reasonable? How about 25" or 30" even? What about if your bottom bouncing (not the flossing style) for steelhead? Should the length be any different? I realise water clarity plays a part but if you say on average or typically what is ideal length?  I personally tend to use what I consider "short" leaders for my floatfishing. By short i mean in the range of 12-16" and sometimes even less. I find this way there is less leader to be waving around in the current. I want my bait near the bottom and the best way to keep it there is keeping it close to the weight. How does everyone else rig?
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: steelieman on February 18, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
I normally fish 16"-20" leader.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Fish Assassin on February 18, 2007, 11:51:19 AM
I prefer 18-20". Whatever happened to IH8XC ? ;)
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Rodney on February 18, 2007, 11:56:11 AM
If you are not fishing like me, you ARE flossing... ;) ;D

Sadly, there are people who think like that. :-\

I prefer 18-20". Whatever happened to IH8XC ? ;)

He decided to like cross country mountain biking. ;D
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: DionJL on February 18, 2007, 12:08:43 PM
I prefer 18-20". Whatever happened to IH8XC ? ;)

Actually i decided to change to a name that was a little more related to me. I quit biking all together and the name never had anything to do with fishing so.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: CAPTAIN BONK on February 18, 2007, 12:28:42 PM
WHAT DOES THE JL STAND FOR THEN ?
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: DionJL on February 18, 2007, 12:46:21 PM
James Lauriente my middle and surname.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: CAPTAIN BONK on February 18, 2007, 01:48:48 PM
FRENCHY ?
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: DionJL on February 18, 2007, 02:13:47 PM
italian.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Mike D. on February 18, 2007, 02:49:08 PM
I like to use 12-18 inch leaders....if I have something on the hook that has little or no buoyency, e.g. 6" rubber worm....I than use around an 8" leader.....seems to work.....too long in my mind is anything over 25 inches....no need to go any longer....but there is quite a few people who insist on using 30-40 inch leaders.....one day they'll realize how productive a short leader can be....

Mike <"))))))><
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: allwaysfishin on February 18, 2007, 04:23:18 PM
i use between 10 to 16 inch except for blades where i use a good 20 to 24 inch leader. the blades tend to pull the rig deeper so i space them away from the weights more than other presentations. This length of leader seems to allow the blade more action and flutter as it's not affected as much by the weights.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: keithr on February 18, 2007, 05:53:24 PM
If you are fly fishing is it still a leader, or is that a tippet?   If I'm fishing a sinking line I usually use a leader between four and six feet long.  It starts out about 6 feet and gets shorter as I change flies.  If I'm fishing a floating line, the leader is the length = to the depth I think the fish may be feeding at, but usually that is at least four feet long.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: cohoslayer1 on February 18, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
i like to use 24 to 40 inch leader with a one once bouncing Betty and i swing it in the runs. It gets the bait right in there face and they hammer it.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Coho Cody on February 18, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
a lot of "fly fisherman" use really long leaders (tippet) and it basically swings behind the actual fly line and flosses the fish. its the same drift fishing flossing technique, just modified into the fly fishing version. :P
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: younggun on February 18, 2007, 10:05:22 PM
i use between 16-30" i like it on the longer side, i also fish alot of rivers that are usually clear with a little flow(capilano,seymour,chehalis, thompson during the summer)
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Derp on February 18, 2007, 10:31:07 PM
Speaking of leaders, tippets and tapered leaders, I have a question. If I'm fishing with a tapered leader and I change a couple of flies and the tippet significantly shortens (by a foot or two) is it best to just change the whole damn thing? or can i attach a tippet to the end of the shortened tapered leader? I'm just wondering because I've been fly fishing latley and I'm going through tapered leaders pretty fast (because I just change them). Is there an alternative to tapered leaders without attaching too many lines? say just a leader and a tippet to the fly line? that would save money.

Help me out here, thanks  :)
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Mike D. on February 19, 2007, 02:34:52 PM
Speaking of leaders, tippets and tapered leaders, I have a question. If I'm fishing with a tapered leader and I change a couple of flies and the tippet significantly shortens (by a foot or two) is it best to just change the whole damn thing? or can i attach a tippet to the end of the shortened tapered leader? I'm just wondering because I've been fly fishing latley and I'm going through tapered leaders pretty fast (because I just change them). Is there an alternative to tapered leaders without attaching too many lines? say just a leader and a tippet to the fly line? that would save money.

Help me out here, thanks  :)

Ok, I dunno if this is what FF was getting at...but this is how I do it, and it seems to work reely well....I use a tapered leader which I make myself...its not too hard and a lot of people do this....now lets say your fishing the Vedder for Steelhead...3 foot tapered leader....make about 2 feet of it 15lb test and the other foot around 10-12 pound...NAIL KNOT...the two pieces of line together...sorry don't have a link on how to tie one.....than once you get so far down your leader just cut the knot and re-tie on another piece of 10/12lb line....works like a damn....so no matter what your technically still in the zone...

Mike <")))))))><
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Fish Assassin on February 19, 2007, 02:56:07 PM
What you are describing is essentially the same as Fishfreak is saying.
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Derp on February 19, 2007, 03:19:30 PM
Sounds good! thanks guys

Just gotta get a nail knot tool, those really help! lol  :D
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Kelso on February 19, 2007, 03:54:25 PM
http://www.animatedknots.com/nailknot/index.php (http://www.animatedknots.com/nailknot/index.php)
Title: Re: What is a short leader?
Post by: Derp on February 19, 2007, 04:36:33 PM
Wow, thats a good site!