Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: FISHIN MAGICIAN on February 04, 2007, 10:31:48 PM
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Is it just me...or has anyone else noticed the following....
1. The propensity of forum members to photo document their fishing trip (not that there is anything wrong with that) and then go and post EXACTLY where they were fishing...so much for everyone else that wants to fish that spot now and again while passing through and changing spots....
2. The fishing reports page is now filled with people on threads commenting on photos saying "Nice fish", "Way to go" etc etc etc.
Now, I suspect my observations are going to irk more than just a few forum members if not the moderators into deleting my post because it's of a "critical" nature...but I'd much like to see Gadsden's journals more often.
Gadsden's report lament the experience and genuine appreciation of the resource---and a learning experience everytime he goes out fishing---with a reflection on the trip and the joys of having gone.
I don't know about you..but I'd love to see more people challenging themselves to be a better angler, reporting the techniques they used, and where they may have fished away from the usual spots...as opposed to a few forum members over running the fishing reports page with the standard fare "There are fish there, and I found 'em...but I blew it...or look at me whining because I caught a wild"
Overall, it'd be nice to see people reporting constructive information than just posting a photodocumentary of fishing some meathole that a few dozen anglers ply everyday.
Just a few thoughts, but some of these reports would be like "I caught a whackload of springs off the wall at Bamfield during the last week of August"and then posting the meat shots of dead springs on the deck..... like...DUH...obviously!!!!
Rather, a better idea would be... "We were fishing the wall at Bamfield and were having a tough time catching fish---noticing that the odd fish was hooked, but of the 100 boats, we did exceptionally well because we....................................................... and .......................................... while we fished at __________________________- depth because we noticed _________________ . Then we told ________________________ and _____________ boats to try what we were doing and they started slamming 'em too. It was a day to remember because we learned these new things and we'll apply it again to next year.....
I'm not saying you guys shouldn't post pics and have fun, that's fine, but posting for the sake of posting is turning some of the website into pablum....
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No.... its just you.
;D ;D
Shane
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i think it's just you. i'm new here but i like seeing the photos of people who actually caught fish. i don't blame people for not wanting to post how they caught them or where they caught them.
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i just like seeing the pics
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You would be surprised how many people on this site don't like reading long winded reports, I like it when it is to the point , a couple of nice pics and some nice responses.. good nuff !! but to each his own
TR
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I know where you're comin from magician..... even if most folks here don't.
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if you don't like this forum... You can gggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeet ouuut!! ;D
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I know what you mean and I am sure their are others thinking the same thing but everybody likes something different you can't please everybody :) I like pic's ;D
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I agree with you Magician 100% Another thing that I would like to see change is the quality of the fish pics being posted. What's wrong with killing your hatchery fish after the pic has been taken? Dead fish pics, espicially with blood, do not look good.
What I do like is the amount of people posting reports on water conditions. This is much more helpful than telling everyone exactly which rock you were standing on when you caught your fish.
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I agree with you FM, I find that some of the conversations between, um how did you put it Nuggy, some of the "younger members" would be suited better for a couple of buddies over the telephone or in the hall at school.
And I find nothing more irritating than to be off the web site for a couple of days, read a 2 or 3 page report and get nothing more out of the 3 pages than a pic of a dead fish...our VP of marketing said it in a meeting today...CONTENT IS KING. I think we all need to tak a little more responsibility in terms of the quality of our posts etc. But hey, thats just my opinion ;)
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WOW! I just noticed that the rock that the steelie is sleeping on is ROUND!! neat :o
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I totally agree as well. I like to read a bit of a story as well as seeing some pics. Makes it so much more enjoyable to read. Just seeing a guy posing with a fish and one sentence to go along with it doesnt do much for me. I can see pics of fish anywhere on the internet. Seeing the pics of the fish as well as soe scenic pics is also nice. Put that together with a well thought out story is killer IMO. Their is always a story so why not share it. Dont need to add location to the story if you dont want to just give us something so we are at the edge of our seat or make us feel as if we were there.
Good post
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Completley agree here, I don't ever bother to post reports these days unless I have time to write something of substance, which these days isn't all that often. I have to admit that these days I've been pretty jaded by the quality of posts around here latley. It seems that most of the content is either firendly banter between members or its somebody getting into an argument with Fishfreak, subsequently getting the thread locked. What ever happened to journal style reports, tutorials or even well thought out disscussion.
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Like I said content is king...glad to see there are more than just a few people here that agree.
And Derp, we are all intitled to our own opinions, your remark is only meant to antogonize. You know, the type of responses you post here will flavour how other community members treat you...feel free to be antagonistic, but don't expect to get much help when you have a question etc. I did my time here getting all fired up when someone was trying to bait me, I think most of us are beyond that now so, thank you for your "contribution" to the community.
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If you don't like it don't read it...Pretty much simple as that..
Don't think you should be flamed or deleted...just wonder why we all should have to really give a damn about what you or your friends think are correct??? Why is it that I read that so much class distinction on your canadian websites????
What I would really like to know is why you always want to criticize so much instead of writing about your own experiences in your own way and trying to change someones perception that way??? ( insert your own name here if the shoe fits, and yup I'm guilty of it too...but then I fly fish AND gear fish so I'm a halfbreed and obviously have no class at all )...
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Although I do enjoy Chris' journals, keep in mind that he an experienced jornalist... And when some others on other forums try to do it, the story just does not grab me like his does... If it's not written well, I'd rather see the shortened version. Some people's writing style is not geared well to telling a story.
As far as photos are concerned, It really makes no difference to me whether the fish is dead or not, but when a shot of a fish is taken, make sure it looks good...
For example that shot of Pat AV's girfriend's first steely, the sun shining through the fins made the shot magical. And if it's dead, clean it up and make it look nice, you've got the time... It's dead.
As for what rock, I don't think that's necessary we all know there are fish in the river.
As far as the general area, if the angler wants to share that, that's okay. Where I don't think it's okay, is where someone else showed them the spot. Then under no circumstances should the location be shared, it's not theirs to share, and they should feel privileged someone let them in on it.
And as far as the technique, I think it's better to leave it alone unless asked, it would get boring reading the same thing over and over if that were a rule... People pretty much fish the same way most of the time. An exception is if fishing has become very tough, and someone cracked the code, and wants to share.
And it's nice to support someone who has caught a nice looking fish, we're sharing in that person's experience, one that most likely was very special for them.
For those who have the grammatical skills, embellishment should be encouraged :)
Cheers,
Nicole
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I have a love/hate relationship with fishing forums. Right now, I'm hating them. Giving fishing reports is great. It's very helpful to others who might not be able to fish as much as some. Posting pictures on the net of exact spots should not be done. I have had relative peace and quiet at one of the spots I frequent. The odd other angler, but virtually no pressure compared to other "zoo's". On friday someone posts a fishing report with pictures of this spot. Guess what happened? The place turned into a zoo. I don't fish weekends, but from what I heard the area looked like "low water at Lickman". I show up this morning around 9:00 a.m. to see 8 anglers working this run. The crowds didn't disperse untill noonish. I simply went to another spot, but was rather dissapointed that I now have to cross another spot off my list.
Fishing reports are great, giving away the location sucks!
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People should realize that just because X number of fish were caught from XYZ run this afternoon does not mean they will be there tomorrow. Move around, get some exercise, discover new runs.
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You shouldn't feel bad. JG. if 8 people working at that run that hard and didn't get anything. That just said that spot has no fish that day, and you can save time and try other spots.
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I totally agree with JG on this one same thing has happened to me a couple of times
Yes fishing reports are great but don't give away the location too much, make people work to find those super secret spots haha
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If people can tell from the pic. It's not much of a secret wouldn't you think so?
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There are no true "secret" spots left in the lower mainland. Just spots that aren't fished as much as others. And finding those spots takes time and energy. "Internet anglers" can be very frustrating..........
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I have a love/hate relationship with fishing forums. Right now, I'm hating them. Giving fishing reports is great. It's very helpful to others who might not be able to fish as much as some. Posting pictures on the net of exact spots should not be done. I have had relative peace and quiet at one of the spots I frequent. The odd other angler, but virtually no pressure compared to other "zoo's". On friday someone posts a fishing report with pictures of this spot. Guess what happened? The place turned into a zoo. I don't fish weekends, but from what I heard the area looked like "low water at Lickman". I show up this morning around 9:00 a.m. to see 8 anglers working this run. The crowds didn't disperse untill noonish. I simply went to another spot, but was rather dissapointed that I now have to cross another spot off my list.
Fishing reports are great, giving away the location sucks!
I know that spot...I fly for trout there in the summer...(and up and down some)...and love it...I also noticed the pic. and the parking lot went from empty to full....I just kick myself for not trying that sooner...Sunday, we hit close to it early...It was us and a couple guys down lower....one got into one, let it go and they left....wasn't too bad surprisingly...still quite decent up higher too...
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The Vedder is no secret. Thousands of anglers fish that river every year. If your fishing some rivers that only see a fifth of the pressure the Vedder gets I can see some concern. If someone posts a pic of a spot its really their choice and you cannot really get mad unless you were the one to locate this spot and show that person. I used to get mad at someone posting pics of my local flows but about a year ago I came to the realization that these rivers are urban rivers that are hatchery enhanced. They are stocked with fish for people to fish for and take. Who am I to say that they cant post pictures of this river(s) Its their choice and I DONT own the river. Thats the biggest factor. Who here owns the river? Well nobody does so who is anybody to tell what people should do?
Do what you want I wont be mad. Unless I showed you that spot ;)
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Like I said content is king...glad to see there are more than just a few people here that agree.
And Derp, we are all intitled to our own opinions, your remark is only meant to antogonize. You know, the type of responses you post here will flavour how other community members treat you...feel free to be antagonistic, but don't expect to get much help when you have a question etc. I did my time here getting all fired up when someone was trying to bait me, I think most of us are beyond that now so, thank you for your "contribution" to the community.
umm, i was totally joking. Dont take it to heart ::)
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This is a very interesting topic. Being new to this site and new to fishing forums all together this topic helps me. I wanted to post
my last trip with my wife and son. I didn't however because we didn't catch. I just wanted to share the experience to say how
much of a good time we had. I can see now that posting would have been a waste of time for you guys. As far as a good format for a post I have no idea, if there is a right and wrong way hopefully I'll see a pattern in the reports.
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This is a very interesting topic. Being new to this site and new to fishing forums all together this topic helps me. I wanted to post
my last trip with my wife and son. I didn't however because we didn't catch. I just wanted to share the experience to say how
much of a good time we had. I can see now that posting would have been a waste of time for you guys. As far as a good format for a post I have no idea, if there is a right and wrong way hopefully I'll see a pattern in the reports.
I do enjoy reading reports even if the fishing was not on. If the story included is interesting the fish or lack of fish can sometimes be insignificant.
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I totally agree with JG on this one same thing has happened to me a couple of times
Yes fishing reports are great but don't give away the location too much, make people work to find those super secret spots haha
If you want to keep the spots under wraps, don't talk about them... Word on the phone spreads just as badly, and people like to talk... Soon people see your truck, and it's all over...
Cheers,
Nicole
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Definitely a lot of great responses here, and glad to see all the view points and see that some people agree with me.
I'll endeavour to post a few reports now and again when I get out on the flows and on the chuck, and if they are useful to you, I'm glad, and I'll post them in good spirits. However, I think the point about "to each their own" was a valid one and I'll take that with me.
Until next time---
"Tight Lines and Straight Shooting"- Ted Peck
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Derp, you just don't get it. Maybe its an age thing, I don't know... a lot of the banter that goes on here is like giving your buddy a wedgy, the purpetrator thinks its funny as hell, the victim usually gets pissed off, and a majority of the onlookers think, what a couple of wankers...either way, that kind of behaviour is getting played out on this site (kinda like when one guy signed on thru his brothers account and was being a toss off).
Hey don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good laugh as much as a good report...your comment though offers neither, its absolutely pointless and I think its that type of nonsense that people like myself, biff, FM, etc, etc are talking about.
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Amen to that..
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I totally agree with JG on this one same thing has happened to me a couple of times
Yes fishing reports are great but don't give away the location too much, make people work to find those super secret spots haha
If you want to keep the spots under wraps, don't talk about them... Word on the phone spreads just as badly, and people like to talk... Soon people see your truck, and it's all over...
Cheers,
Nicole
I love the fact that I'm driving a different truck now....no stickers to label myself.......nobody recognizes it yet..... ;)
I learned a long time ago to only "talk" to a select few, fishermen love to gossip...... ::)......that's why we have fishing forums ;D
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I love the fact that I'm driving a different truck now....no stickers to label myself.......nobody recognizes it yet..... ;)
I learned a long time ago to only "talk" to a select few, fishermen love to gossip...... ::)......that's why we have fishing forums ;D
You've got that right, some of them seem like they aspire to be in days of our lives...
heh!
Nicole
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The trouble I see with taking a picture of a fish you caught is that it prevents the fish from getting any larger after that point. ;)
About the original post: I'd hate to see it get to where we grade fishing reports on the basis of intellectual content or insist that they have at least one epiphany per outing. On the other hand, a photo of someone's freezer full of salmon steaks isn't all that stimulating either. I thought Rodney's reports from Denmark are about as good a standard as we are likely to find in that, even though some days there were no fish to photograph, the reader gets a feel for what that day's fishing was like.
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I agree that a good report doesnt necisarily include a reported catch or a picture, there are lots of great info to share like water conditions, crowding problems, conservation concerns like garbage and poaching...I think anyone who currently participates on this board has the ability to make great post for one reason or another. it just seems like some peolpe are sitting around board out of there minds and they end up using FWR and an (inappropriate) outlet for their boardom.
Take a look at ifish.net, its primarily a fishing board for washington and oregon...the average post is very good in terms of providing insight to river conditions, bait/terminal tackle, etc. I would guess the average user is older than the average one on FWR and there doesnt seem to be the nonsensicle stuff that goes on here yet there is still a great comradery.
I read it primarily to learn more about different types of tactics (like jig fishing steelhead) but I have been involved with a few great threads on rod building etc.
When the internet can provide soooooooooooooo much garbage, I would hope we wouild all do our part to ensure the dialogue here is meaningful in one way or another!
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I love the fact that I'm driving a different truck now....no stickers to label myself.......nobody recognizes it yet..... ;)
I learned a long time ago to only "talk" to a select few, fishermen love to gossip...... ::)......that's why we have fishing forums ;D
You've got that right, some of them seem like they aspire to be in days of our lives.
heh!
Nicole
Days of Our Lives.......That would be the perfect heading for a new section ..........