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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: J.G. on January 17, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
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I thought I'd make my first post a good one...........
What has happened to our local fisheries? Is it o.k. to walk in beneath another angler and fish? Why is it acceptable to stand in one spot of a run for the better part of the day? Does rotating through a pool not make any sense? Why do these problems seem to be more prominent on the Vedder and other local rivers. I never see behaviour like this on steelhead streams up north. The Vedder would be so much less "painful" to fish if there was some sort of etiquete. It is a beautiful river, with a great steelhead run. It's a shame that the "anglers" ruin the experience........
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It's been like that for 25 years, that I know of.
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It's been like that for 25 years, that I know of.
Too me it seems as if it is getting worse......
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I find that during Steelhead season as long as you stay away from the well known meat holes you will have a very pleasant experience ! I never have any problems, people seem to be friendly and courteous, if someone wants to stay in one place how is that a problem ? you just walk around them and find you're own piece of river, I look forward to this time of year because I know that I am always going to have a good day when I head out..
TR
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I agree with what Rick said about someone staying in one spot. Why should that matter? Its a BIG river and lots of water to fish.
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It's been that way on most rivers.
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the vedder is ok during steelhead season. There's alot of river with few anglers compared to the fall. Pretty easy to get lonely, atleast i find it lonely sometimes!
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I will also agree with ThickRick If you were to give a newby a tip about Steelheading it would be to keep moving , so if there is a guy just standing in one spot and not hooking fish one after another then he is probably new ?
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i also agree with rick no matter how many guys are on the river any day is a good day on the river. its up to us to respect each other and conduct ourselfs properly
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Interesting that JG should bring up this topic because during this years Boxing Day Derby I fished the Boulder Run and my wife Dorthy, accompanied me. I arrived early in the morning and over the next 6 or 7 hours fished all up and down that run and was quite amazed that over that period myself nor anyone else fishing caught anything, that I saw. Now because my wife was with me I knew that hiking here and there and everywhere was'nt really an option this day. No problem. I had caught steelies here before and could see lots of holding water so it was just a matter of time till one came in. Well at about 1PM. I notice three fellows working their way down towards me and when the first guy arrives I was busy chatting with my wife. This guy stops right where my fishing rod is and starts fishing at the spot I had been fishing. That was no big deal I just picked my rod up and walked 6 ft. away and started to fish. Well this fellow starts talking to me saying that anyone that stays in the same spot all day and fishes is an idiot and does'nt know a thing about steelheading. I thanked him for his proffessional advice but mentioned to him that I had fished all up and down this stretch since early morning and for him to come along and make a five minute assumption was pretty incredible. To make a long story short he continued mouthing off at me and I swear it took all I had not to punch this guys lights out, but lucky for him my wife was there. She hates violence. He finally moved on and when his buddies walked by I told one of them what had happened and told him to tell his friend to relax, its only fishing and so what if you don't win the derby. But the nerve of this guy to get in my face and label me and basically tell me I don't anything about steelheading and I've never seen the guy before that moment. Still gets me rankled thinking about. Anyway thanks for listening to my rant, I thot I'd make number 500 interesting and therapeutic as well, getting it off my chest. ;D :D >:( :D ;D
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JG...What you see on our local rivers down here is totally the norm even though it is vastly different from the rivers up north, the Thompson, all other fly fishing rivers in the world, and even rivers as close to the lower mainland as the Coquihala R. when fly fishing for summer runs (when its open).
The Vedder was the birthplace of the "river mechanic" when steelheading. Long ago people got used to parking themselves on the Fraser when bar fishing with their tool kit-like tackle box and this practice found its way to the Vedder as mentioned many, many years ago. Today it's accepted and people try not to make a fuss about it. As long as you go the river expecting it to be this way it's no bid deal.
Bigger problems arise when people leave systems like the Vedder to try other systems, especially the one labelled classified waters like the Dean, the T, and other northern rivers. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the regs even have an etiquette section in them to help people understand the appropriate way to fish these waters. I guess fishermen who regularly fish classified waters expect others to know the proper etiquette because if you cork someone and pick up a fish in front of them you better start running if you don't want to hear an earful.
The bottom line is just quickly learn what is the acceptable way of fishing the river you're going to and don't sweat the little stuff.
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wow. i understand about etiquette and the practice of rotation, but thats usually done on smaller systems with few prime runs. but the vedder? :(
suppose you've hooked onto a few, but was not lucky enough to land one or you start getting hits after hours of searching. do you step aside because someone decided that you had enough time on that run? i think etiquette goes both ways.
besides, people move because they can't catch fish....not because of etiquette.
want to show etiquette? don't fart when someone's fishing downwind from you.
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I find that during Steelhead season as long as you stay away from the well known meat holes you will have a very pleasant experience ! I never have any problems, people seem to be friendly and courteous, if someone wants to stay in one place how is that a problem ? you just walk around them and find you're own piece of river, I look forward to this time of year because I know that I am always going to have a good day when I head out..
TR
I agree that most people are friendly, everyone is happy to be spending the day on the river. But it is these same happy people that seem to think that walking in beneath an angler who is already fishing is o.k. Being an "anchor" is not as big of a problem. Although it is not proper etiquette. These people are easily passed. But then, aren't you "corking" the "anchor"?
Maybe I expect too much from other's..........?
Is it too much to ask that all anglers learn how to fish properly. Everyone starts on the Vedder. Then progresses to higher caliber fisheries. Shouldn't everyone learn proper etiquette first, before graduating to other fisheries.
Two years ago I was fishing a Skeena River tributary for steelhead. I was over 50km from the nearest paved road, well into the "middle of nowhere". I was working my way through a run and another two anglers walked out of the bush. They proceeded to fish the tailout of the run, which was the best water on the run. No courtesy call to me....nothing. They fished for a while as I was working my way through the run. After they decided there were no fish to have, they moved on. The funny thing was, one of these guys is a "regular" on the Vedder. I recognized him immediately, it made me laugh that the only time I was corked all season up there was by a Vedder regular.
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JG...What you see on our local rivers down here is totally the norm even though it is vastly different from the rivers up north, the Thompson, all other fly fishing rivers in the world, and even rivers as close to the lower mainland as the Coquihala R. when fly fishing for summer runs (when its open).
The Vedder was the birthplace of the "river mechanic" when steelheading. Long ago people got used to parking themselves on the Fraser when bar fishing with their tool kit-like tackle box and this practice found its way to the Vedder as mentioned many, many years ago. Today it's accepted and people try not to make a fuss about it. As long as you go the river expecting it to be this way it's no bid deal.
Bigger problems arise when people leave systems like the Vedder to try other systems, especially the one labelled classified waters like the Dean, the T, and other northern rivers. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the regs even have an etiquette section in them to help people understand the appropriate way to fish these waters. I guess fishermen who regularly fish classified waters expect others to know the proper etiquette because if you cork someone and pick up a fish in front of them you better start running if you don't want to hear an earful.
The bottom line is just quickly learn what is the acceptable way of fishing the river you're going to and don't sweat the little stuff.
Well said..........
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heres is my scoop, i never ever stay in one spot , i will always walk through a run about 20 feet per cast, until fishable water ends, Picketing is a HUGE problem as noticed today at lower PEACH, these are not true "STEELHEADERS", as a true steelheader you have every right to keep travelling down a run and bypass these anchors, most of them are very courteous and will let you through w/o a yip, but to see all them anchored in for the day is dissapointing and ruins your experience, meat holing in the lower river is a problem and prevents you from covering water. Lickman was an awesome fishery all the way down to bergman 4 years ago until the HOLERS started in, now i avoid that direct area because it prevents you from working the water. I find newer fisherman, for the most part, are the anchors. This doesnt mean younger fisherman either. Steelheading should never ever become a MEAT fishery and its going that way for certain sectors of our community, taking a steelhead home is fine but come on, cover and seek is what "Steelheaders" do
I agree.............
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I fish the Vedder for a bit more than one year now... I am a newbie to this river but nobody had to learn me any etiquette (nor that I have to keep moving). IMO it is just common sense, say hello, never fish a run downstream someone...
I hate when someone arrives and starts to fish downstream than me. It happens on the Vedder, but it also happens on other rivers. Of course if you are the only guy to fish a river, it won't happen... But as soon as there are a few guys, you see this behavior. And if this does not happen up north... Well I think I should take the first plane, I would really like to fish in these conditions.
And after seeing people "fishing" for salmon I really consider that Vedder steelheaders have some kind of "etiquette".
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I like to pick "paths" or "routes" down the river...meaning, choose an area of the river where I can fish down through a succession of varying types of holding water. Usually I find the distance covered can vary quite a bit anywhere from 1 km and up, sometimes way up... I will come to the end of this route, and step out and hike back up to where I started. Once at the beginning, I can opt to go through again or move on.
The interesting thing is, if you follow this pattern of fishing or anything similar, you never run into any problems unless someone who is parked in a spot, takes offence. Fishing on the move, you can vary the amount of time you spend on different types of water, and stay in sequence a suitable distance behind the anglers in front of you. Everybody fishes the same water, and nobody is bumping into each other...smooth. ;)
Having said that, I have no problem with someone staying in one spot for the day. I do however, expect that if I can tolerate that way of fishing, then, in return, they should tolerate mine. What really needs to be said here is, when fishing the vedder, if your fishing "on the move", so to speak, and wanting to fish through a run with stationary anglers present, indicate your intent, politely and to the point. If you're staying put, fishing stationary, and see anglers fishing their way down to you, recognize they are fishing on the move, be patient, let them fish through, they won't be there long... ;) Then enjoy the rest of your day.
There have been days when I have fished stationary, usually it is when I have gone fishing with people that are very old or very young, or incapacitated in some way. Less suited to what can be a fairly rigorous style of fishing. In these cases anglers fished through and everything went smoothly. I would ask my fishing partners if they wanted to break for a coffee and out came the thermous. I'd then motion to those fishing on the move, to go ahead and fish through. In what usually lasts all of 5 minutes, and maybe 5-10 casts per person all of over the pool, rarely casting to the same spot twice, the anglers would work their way down and through.
It works just fine as long as anglers understand the difference in the styles of fishing, and regardless of which one they choose to employ, they recognize how things need to be done in order for the two styles to interact. As long as people begin to accept that, things will improve. Keep an eye on the anglers around you, recognize the style of fishing they are employing, and act accordingly. Don't be afraid to politely interact. Accounts of events after the fact, discribing so called heated confrontations on the river, more often than not are skewed in both directions, and do little good to solve the problem.
My 2 cents,
rib
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Just make a long story short. Fish whatever style you want. Respect others ;)
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To make a long story even shorter.......Rotational Angling is the way you fish on any river for steelhead. AS PER THE REGULATIONS. Those unfamiliar with the Freshwater Synopsis should make sure they read this little book when they purchase a license, it stops you from breaking the law.
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True dat cammer, and I agree with you JG, I wish rotational angling was the law during steelhead season.
I rarely hang around a run more than 45 minutes, even shorter on a small run. I take a small step every swing to work the entire run, then move on to the next. The key is finding a willing biter...
Its really difficult to spey fish when one guy is a statue in the best part of the run.
When you move below him youve lost about 30 feet of the run with the casting and sinking of the fly, which sucks.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Just beware.... no matter which Vedder River method you choose to fish with in the lower mainland you won't be able to take the stationary or jumping in (corking ) front of someone method to other rivers in B.C. You won't be able to tell these fishermen that's the way we do it at the Vedder. They just won't understand! The excuse will not work. Even dropping in below someone as much as a 100 yards can be too close on some rivers especially if it's a tailout and will get you the evil eye or a mouthful of discontent. Be sure you know the proper etiquette and you'll have no proplems at all. No sense risking having a bad day.
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Seems to me that the Vedder is a large enough river that if you do happen to lose 30 or 40 ft. of water because of a stationary person or object its not the end of the world. What it really comes back to is what JG stated in his title, "etiquete" or as I prefer, respect. I, myself prefer to move around a bit when steelheading because as we all know to have the best amount of success its better to find them than wait for them to find U. But if I'm with a group of friends and just hangiing or with someone not quite as mobile then I don't mind enjoying the day, the sunshine, laughter and friendship and staying in one spot. Those who don't like it or can't accept it, too bad. I'm sorry that due to your percieved notions about "etiquete" I and the people I'm with are in your way. You must have a hell of a time driving. I will certainly respect your right to fish through if you'd like but if I've been there fishing for the past 2 hours without success I wish you luck. At any rate do not become mouthy or belligerent as it only takes away from you what could've been a good day. Good Fishing Everyone. :D
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Just beware.... no matter which Vedder River method you choose to fish with in the lower mainland you won't be able to take the stationary or jumping in (corking ) front of someone method to other rivers in B.C. You won't be able to tell these fishermen that's the way we do it at the Vedder. They just won't understand! The excuse will not work. Even dropping in below someone as much as a 100 yards can be too close on some rivers especially if it's a tailout and will get you the evil eye or a mouthful of discontent. Be sure you know the proper etiquette and you'll have no proplems at all. No sense risking having a bad day.
So very true..........
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I see we have two different camps on this forum. The anglers who fish nothing but the Vedder and other local rivers. And a few other anglers that have seemed to broaden their horizon's and have found that there is more to angling than the Vedder has to offer.
Since everyone starts on the Vedder, doesn't it make sense to learn the proper etiquette there as well? Thus, avoiding altercations later on different systems.
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It's been like that for 25 years, that I know of.
Too me it seems as if it is getting worse......
It's getting worse, and spreading to other rivers throughout the province..........
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I've fish the Stamp, Gold and made it out to the Thompson my usual two times this year (wish it could of been more) and fished in more places than I can shake a stick at. As with any forum where theres a large number of people you'll have varying degrees of skill level and experience.
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With our steelhead stocks dwindling to the point of extinction, and our population growing, the amount of angling pressure increasing......education is what anglers need. With fewer fish, and more people, angler education is sorely needed.
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True dat cammer, and I agree with you JG, I wish rotational angling was the law during steelhead season.
I rarely hang around a run more than 45 minutes, even shorter on a small run. I take a small step every swing to work the entire run, then move on to the next. The key is finding a willing biter...
Its really difficult to spey fish when one guy is a statue in the best part of the run.
When you move below him youve lost about 30 feet of the run with the casting and sinking of the fly, which sucks.
Cheers,
Nicole
It's too bad the average angler doesn't understand this. Hence, the reason I think there should be more in the way of angler education.
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Athezone...I think I may have been there to witness your little incident on boxing day...maybe not, either way it seems there is a grey area between the "two camps", as someone so piognantly said it earlier...Like I said, I prefer the "on the move" approach, but tolerate other methods as it seems that's the way the vedder has been for as long as I can remember...either way, I lay no claim on any rock on any river, and choose a more relaxed approach. ;)
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The dog and I hooked one yesterday..........
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Imagine, The Vedder and Ettiquite being coupled together in the same sentence! Now THAT is damn funny!!
'Course I'm speaking from the vast experience of my one (and ONLY) foray on that particular flow. Hmmm... Lessee... Middle of the week, 300 anglers observed throughout the day, many with gear entirely inappropriate for the pursuit of steelhead, and largely the only ones that we didn't see parked for the day on top of their cooler were those rushing HARD to crowd us out of any spot where we touched a fish! Nope, y'all can keep that! Left a seriously sour taste for that area (although I will admit the river itself is picturesque!) in my mind! Certainly WON'T be going back! And I suppose that should make some folks happy, one less to add to the ever increasing crowding conditions, and all that goes hand in hand with that!!
Cheers,
Nog
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Thompson is a great fishing partner.........He rolled in dead salmon this year on the Kispiox. He's had the nickname "Bear Bait" ever since.
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Imagine, The Vedder and Ettiquite being coupled together in the same sentence! Now THAT is damn funny!!
'Course I'm speaking from the vast experience of my one (and ONLY) foray on that particular flow. Hmmm... Lessee... Middle of the week, 300 anglers observed throughout the day, many with gear entirely inappropriate for the pursuit of steelhead, and largely the only ones that we didn't see parked for the day on top of their cooler were those rushing HARD to crowd us out of any spot where we touched a fish! Nope, y'all can keep that! Left a seriously sour taste for that area (although I will admit the river itself is picturesque!) in my mind! Certainly WON'T be going back! And I suppose that should make some folks happy, one less to add to the ever increasing crowding conditions, and all that goes hand in hand with that!!
Cheers,
Nog
Guy's like you are the anglers we need............
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Spey guy with dog? Maybe I met you on the back side trail behind the Tolmie slide over christmas, that goes up to the old anderson run? Just guessing.
Cammer, spey water? Please tell me more!
You can email me if you like, I have found quite a bit this year, the river has changed around for the better for the spey guys/gals... I have found at least 10 different pieces of good water so far, and I've seen about 85% of the river now.
nicole[nadaspam]@dotaku.com
cheers,
Nicole
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Spey guy with dog? Maybe I met you on the back side trail behind the Tolmie slide over christmas, that goes up to the old anderson run? Just guessing.
Cammer, spey water? Please tell me more!
You can email me if you like, I have found quite a bit this year, the river has changed around for the better for the spey guys/gals... I have found at least 10 different pieces of good water so far, and I've seen about 85% of the river now.
nicole[nadaspam]@dotaku.com
cheers,
Nicole
The guy sitting on the rocks, wallowing in self pity, because of lack of water that day.........yup, that was me!
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The guy sitting on the rocks, wallowing in self pity, because of lack of water that day.........yup, that was me!
Did you get anything up in that run I came down from? I heard of two fish pulled from that run the day before... Therefore I went through it methodically three times with different junk...
That spot will be nice on the spey, but it's a long way to walk to find out it's full of people, and there's no room to swing a fly.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Most experienced rods that fish the Vedder know where the pidket fences develop and can easly avoid them if they want to fish the cast and move style.I think the problem is that the picket fences develop at the holes where the fish will stack up and the fence posts are very successful at intercepting most of the hatchery fish. :D
I remember a couple of years ago I was fishing the Yarrow side of Lickman and literally saw 6 fish hooked over a three hour period.Most of the picket posts were older gents with probably not as much energy as the younger bucks and they were having a blast.
I don't begrudge these older gents enjoying themselves.If I want to fish cast and move then theres lots of river to fish where there is no-one around.
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Well I am going to put in my two cents worth. I think the key thing in all of this is that as the fishing pressure increases we have to learn to share the resource. I am one of those fisherman whol likes to chuck and cast, and not stay in one area all day long. And as previously mentioned earlier that is why the "fishing regs" has tried to promote "rotational angling". And as it states, it was designed to allow each angler an equal opportunity to spend some time in the prime riffles and runs. So if someone wishes to stay in one area fine. But if another angler wishes to fish through the run...acknowledge them, step out of the run and let them fish through. To me this would be a simple gesture to promote better angling ethics on the Vedder and to make fishing the river a more enjoyable experience.
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Leave the guys alone, let them fish the way they want. And fish the way u want, i like covering water if they dont then oh well! Just dont walk in on a gong show of anchors and hook a fish or ur in for it! I did that last year, my dad wanted to pass up the run and i said give me 10 minutes, so i slip in ontop of everyone, and go under the undercut bank and plop my offering in,4 casts then wham! Steely! Landed it released it and got the hell out of there cus everyone had a dirty look on there faces!
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heh, that's just funny, bunch a poor sports!
I bet those guys were casting under the cutbank on subsequent trips... No one likes to get schooled by a kid...
Cheers,
Nicole
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No the stupid thing was they were casting into the deep slot when the sun was shinin on it and the bank was covering the edge of the slot with shade, it was only 4 feet from shore but it made sense that a fish might hang out there, so i put on a new live ghost shrimp and down goes the float! THey were all using roe or wool or spinners so i changed up, after i hooked my fish they all went to shrimp or shrimp oil or something shrimpy it was a funny site to see! One that i was looking at over my shoulder while i was fast pacing it out of there! ;D THey were all standing ontop of the bank and there was plenty of room under neith but u needed to walk upstream and climb down like 15 feet and then walk down to the water so they were all really lazy and i just showed how its done!
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as a new user of Vedder
I was being warned by Nuggy
thank to him !@ for the advice
i did not know that i was not allowed to fishing downstream if there is a another fisherman beside me
next time i would ask if he minds
the onyl problem is what if somoene stays in 1 spot for hours. how would we wait for someone to go downstream ?
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Just tell him or her you're stepping through, and if they'd mind if you worked your way along below them... 99% of the time they're ok with it if you're polite and ask...
In the case of flyfishers:
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If I run across someone flyfishing and I'm using my gear rod, I always say hi, and ask permission to fish above them...
Never ever step into the river below a flyfisher unless you ask first. I normally call out to a gear guy to step in above me instead, that I'll be done in 15 minutes, and they can have the whole run when I'm done. Every time I say that, they're ok and move upstream from me.
If gear fishing, I always leave the hole and go elsewhere if the flyfisher is working the hole more slowly than I'd like. I rarely even bother asking if I can go below, unless they are not moving at all.
If they are not moving and I want to fish through, I ask them if they're stepping through, and ask to fish below them; I do so quickly and leave.
Spey fishers need a good 30-40 feet of space downstream of them to cast, so factor that in, and keep moving out of the run if you are given permission to fish below.
There's lots of places to gear fish that flyfishers can't, so I mostly leave them the water if they were there first.
Cheers,
Nicole
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Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.
This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson. Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care. He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.
Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me. If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.
When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened. The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.
Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.
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Now thats "Etiquete".
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I thought I'd make my first post a good one...........
What has happened to our local fisheries? Is it o.k. to walk in beneath another angler and fish? Why is it acceptable to stand in one spot of a run for the better part of the day? Does rotating through a pool not make any sense? Why do these problems seem to be more prominent on the Vedder and other local rivers. I never see behaviour like this on steelhead streams up north. The Vedder would be so much less "painful" to fish if there was some sort of etiquete. It is a beautiful river, with a great steelhead run. It's a shame that the "anglers" ruin the experience........
Yes a very good read indead, but what solution do you propuse? why isant it ok to walk under another angler and fish aslong as yous stay away a good distance? As for standing in one spot for the better part of the day; last time i checked its up to the angler where and how long he fishes. That being said i do agree about the pool rotation with you but once again the people who get the better part of the pool are the ones that camp out lol or come very early. They deserver that spot in my mind and i dont stand around worring about it i just walk down river and find my own special place.
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I think the solution just lies with tolerance Floater...I for one will bypass pools entirely when they are full of anglers. Doesn't bother me one bit, they're fishing the spot they've chosen and it would be unreasonable for for me to expect 5-6 guys to step aside so i can fish through, so I skip the run all together. However, if one guy is fishing a pool and it's obvious he's fishing stationary, I would hope that if three guys are fishing down to his spot, and obviously on the move, that this angler might have the common sense to let them fish through...that's what I would do if postions were reversed. It's interesting though how some people don't get it, and seem to take offense to someone fishing through...it's as though they have taken it as some personal insult, or some slight against their character or something. All that needs to be done is for everyone to suck it up, and not get so sensitive. It's usually one or two people that seem to spoil situations like these by turning them into some sort of confrontation. A fragile ego breeds resentment.
Rib
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Nicole i tried but i got your email addy wrong??? lol
hey take out the [nadaspam] in my email address, it's there to block spam bots from data mining my email address...
Cheers,
Nicole
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I think the solution just lies with tolerance Floater...I for one will bypass pools entirely when they are full of anglers. Doesn't bother me one bit, they're fishing the spot they've chosen and it would be unreasonable for for me to expect 5-6 guys to step aside so i can fish through, so I skip the run all together. However, if one guy is fishing a pool and it's obvious he's fishing stationary, I would hope that if three guys are fishing down to his spot, and obviously on the move, that this angler might have the common sense to let them fish through...that's what I would do if postions were reversed. It's interesting though how some people don't get it, and seem to take offense to someone fishing through...it's as though they have taken it as some personal insult, or some slight against their character or something. All that needs to be done is for everyone to suck it up, and not get so sensitive. It's usually one or two people that seem to spoil situations like these by turning them into some sort of confrontation. A fragile ego breeds resentment.
Rib
I completely agree with you. If you have someone sitting on a spot and someone "fishing on the move" like you say, IMO this usually works well. But If someone arrives and wants to start fishing "on the move", I think he should not start just below someone already fishing on the move. If someone arrives and start to fish the run below me, no problem, I can change my presentation and work the run I am fishing for 10 min more, but if he starts fishing 5 meters below me what do I do? I like to cover the water when I am fishing one spot and usually tries 2-3 kinds of presentations (5-10 min each), starting at the top of the run with each presentation, doing 2-3 more casts where I feel it is a very good looking water. I cannot fish this way if someone starts to fish just below me. So what do I do? I usually leave... What should I do? Run all over the place and just fishing the water I think is very very good, even if it is 5 meters below a fellow angler? I do not want to fish like that. I would learn nothing by fishing like that.
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Frenchy: IMO the other fisherman that cut in 10 yards below you, should have at least asked you if he could cut in below you. But better yet, he should have used what a lot of people have mentioned here, rotational angling, he starts fishing above you, not below you. That way you could have fished through the run, and the other angler could have had a crack at the water too. But I am with you , if you were there first, and he set up camp just below you that is pretty rude.
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I agree dennyman, case in point, I walked in behind bell acres through the trees one late morning and saw two guys fishing on the move but they were way above where I came in...so I lit up a smoke and hiked probably close to 1 km up river until i was above these two anglers that were fishing down...sure, there was a delay in my fishing time as a result, but I stepped in a good distance above them and fished my way down behind them and everything worked like clockwork. If someone steps in beneath me, often it can be attributed to ignorance of the system, and not some blatent act of disrespect...usually they don't know any better, I might say something, or I might just move on...depends on the situation...
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Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.
This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson. Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care. He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.
Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me. If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.
When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened. The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.
Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.
pretty brutal to take fishing this serious to do something like this if it did happen that way.
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Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.
This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson. Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care. He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.
Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me. If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.
When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened. The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.
Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.
pretty brutal to take fishing this serious to do something like this if it did happen that way.
Hey, maybe the wind blew the jet out from shore but I totally agree with you that if that wasn't the case it was a pretty harsh thing to do to get your point across.
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would you guys/gal think that you see more of the cutting in etc. on the lower versus the upper??? I've found that, happened thurs. with us, fishing a run, getting near the tailout..up walks a guy from below and stops ten yards below me and starts fishing the tail. Guy was experienced pin fisherman, that was obvious. Sometimes I tend to expect it more at certain spots. I just kept fishing and if my drift went in front of him I wasn't sweating it too much....We ended up B.S.ing and he wasn't a bad guy....just the way it is in spots....Most of the time I think when you stop and talk with pretty much anyone on the river they don't mind telling you what's been happening and letting you in....Rudeness goes a long way to nowhere.
Sometimes the only problem is when your fishing with Mr. Chatty....damn, he's stops and gabs with everyone....I think half our river time was him talking....but even then it was all good. Met some good guys and heard lots of stories...One day I'm going to bring a coffee pot and fire it up on shore and just sit back and bull sh*t with whoever comes by...could write a book with half the stories you hear out there...