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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Big Steel on November 25, 2006, 02:09:43 PM
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Well, the Vedder seems to be in need of some help. So I was wondering if there is any interest in a Poker Tournament to raise funds for work on the Claybank situation on the Vedder. I know that this would take more money than we could raise with a Tournament, but at this point I would think that any money raised would help. :)
It would have to be a fairly big tournament, so any poker guru's out there, would you be interested? We would need a place to hold it, and plenty of chips. Was thinking a winner take all, but that take all would be 1/3 of the money raised. The rest being donated to a fund to help in off setting the costs of what would be a very pricey amount of work. This may be a stupid idea, but just thought I would throw it out there and see how much interest there would be. If there is a lot of interest, well at that point we could start working out the details, such as where, when and so on. Buy in maybe around $50?? anyhow, if there is interest, just post it on here. :)
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That's a great idea!
The chilliwack fish and game club would be the perfect place to hold it...
Cheers,
nicole
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That's a great idea!
The chilliwack fish and game club would be the perfect place to hold it...
Cheers,
nicole
That's kinda what I was thinking, but we will have to see how the idea is recieved by everyone. :)
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QUESTION !
DO U GUYS THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER WORK AND DONATIONS DONE BY THE PUBLIC TOWARDS OUR RIVERS, THROWS OFF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AS THEY CUT BACK THE FUNDS ?
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QUESTION !
DO U GUYS THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER WORK AND DONATIONS DONE BY THE PUBLIC TOWARDS OUR RIVERS, THROWS OFF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AS THEY CUT BACK THE FUNDS ?
That is a good question and worth some debate. I would hope that it would have the opposite affect. By the efforts put forth by civilians, I would hope that the government officials would see how much people care about the future of our resources and step up to the plate in some stiuations and help out. But I suppose this is but a pipe dream. I don't know if the goverment would do anything regardless of what us civilians do.
But as to not side track this thread, perhaps it would be a debate put to better use in a new thread? :)
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Count me in if you are able to organize it.
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Just a naive question. Why does the Vedder need help?
I mean, for exemple, the Cheakamus, Thompson and lower Squamish had major pollutions in the last two years. I agree that in these cases, human should do something to lower the impacts due to humans.
But what just happened to the Vedder, at least for me, just show that this river is still wild. Isn't this a good thing ?
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That's a great thought but i'm wondering how a poker tournament will be received...I would be willing to help out if anything can be arranged...
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Frenchy, this recent high water ate a bunch of shore line up. The new path of the river is diggin into a number of different areas which introduce clay, mud, and silt to the river. This makes fishing hard when the water colors up, it fills in good spawning gravel, starves eggs of oxygen, etc. If you see the slope/slide stabalization project that was completed some time ago up stream from the slesee trailor park, you would realize the benefit these project have.
On a side note BS, you may get a better attendance if you hold it closer to the city....my time is pretty valuable and spread amoungst a lot of things, putting that tourney out in the wack would make it unfeasable for me personally. I may be able to help with a venue on the north shore or down town.
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I am definately in and would be more than happy to help organize something like this !! usually in tourney's such as this you aim to get in the neighbourhood of 100 players ! with a entry fee of $50-100 a head.. top ten ( last table ) all get paid out.. but in this case I was thinking that instead of cash prizes why not get all of the tackle stores to donate fishing related prizes ! this way the top ten will still recieve a nice price but more importantly all of the money collected would be donated to the cause !! just a thought ... things like these are not super easy to organize but with some help it could happen !! we would need a place to hold it.. tables to play on , chairs, refreshments ... not to mention a licence to hold it in the first place.. plus advertising, collection of prizes ,
like I said I am more than happy to help get this going... is there anyone else out there that has experience putting something like this on ??
TR
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Thanks Rick, Gooey and X for your comments. I will be the first to admit that I don't really know what it would take to organize something of this nature. I play poker, and organise a few smaller get togethers every once and a while. So any help from people who have had handled something like this before. Feel free to take the reigns and I will do what I can to help out. As for a location, well we would have to see which area would be the best for attendance. Mind you, we have to get enough interest first. If there is interest here, then perhaps the idea could be moved to other sites as well. Get the word out so to say... but only time will tell. :)
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I havent finished reading all the posts yet, But my friends are into the online poker gambling, and the whole online setup is good. That might be another good way to do this if there is problems arranging a place and time limited. Just an Idea.
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I think the prize donation is an excellent idea...also ask our members and other forum members for them as well...If the tournament isn't feasible you could do a dinner or dance, silent auction etc. I would love to volunteer for a doorman or bartender etc. We got Rick to be the male gigolo for the "other" crowd so that should be a big draw.. ;D :D...Honestly, This is a great idea and I think would also be something the folks that live out there would probably really appreciate...as well as something the river could really use...I think it would really be important to hold it out there as well. Sometimes we forget that we are walking into a lot of these peoples back yards so to speak and for the most part they welcome us with open arms...Doing something like B.S. has suggested would also be a great way for us to say our thanks and show our support for them as well...IMHO
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Interested in participating, going out of town for the next 6 weeks so not able to help organize, but will keep an eye on the thread for details.
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Im in for sure. I think the money prizes would be better as more people may attend. sounds like a great idea
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First talk to Chris as I believe that they are going after Living Rivers Fund and that is where the money for the slide should come from.
The Living River Fund is set up for things like this and needs to be used.
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I am totally interested.. I like the online poker thing... that way we dont have to meet all at one place... and plus the would save money because we dont have to pay for a rental.....
as long as we keep the buy in cheap i would say 50 bucks i feasable
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The clayslide problem requires a much bigger funding than what private donors are able to give due to its size. Like OBD mentioned, large funds have been applied and some have been set aside for current and future projects. In the past Pacific Salmon Foundation has been a major contributor to the Chilliwack River Action Committee. I'm sure Dave, the president, is already on the planning stage to acquire more for the new problems.
That being said, raising fund from a bit of fun poker can be a good idea. I have a suggestion. There are projects that require smaller amount of funds to get a kick start that private contributors can help out. Since bbronswyk2000 is in the process of getting future Allouette/Coquitlam/Kanaka River cleanups started, maybe he can set up an account and these small funds can be given to this account?
River cleanups do require money to operate. If not donated, money is needed to purchase gloves, garbage bags, insurance, advertising, etc. Luckily, the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Coalition is mostly funded by Fisheries and Oceans Canada, the City of Chilliwack and Fraser Valley Regional District so we can continue these quarterly cleanups. Some seed money to start the North Fraser tributaries cleanups may blossom into something just as big.
Not to hijack Big Steel's idea, to further fund bbronswyk2000's project, it may interest readers to hold a friendly day derby on a regularly stocked lake next spring. Derby entry can be ten bucks, heaviest four daily quota wins. Such a derby would support the Fraser Valley Trout Hatchery, as well as providing funds for another cause. Just an idea to toy with.
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I'd be in! I love playing... I'd even be into a FWR poker day if the fundraiser idea doesn't pan out!
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Hey Rod,
Why on earth do you need insurance for a cleanup? Just curious...
Cheers,
Nicole
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That is a great Idea Im in forsure, I can get another 3 to 4 guys also, !!!!!! Lets do it
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Well, I think there is enough interest for something to happen. Just not sure what though!! Rodney has a few good points, thanks Rod.
The reasons I was thinking the Vedder would be a good benefactor of a fundraiser are simple. First, it is the most heavily fished river in BC and takes one heck of a beating. The Vedder also has the biggest run of Steelhead in BC. So, being that I love my steelheading and I know there are tons more guys out there that feel the same way, I was hoping that we could do something to help. This I figured would mean a lot to the community and the tourism that the river brings in. The damage that the siltation could and more that likely will do is something that could hurt the future cycles of migrating salmon for years to come. As I stated earlier, in the first post, I know this work would cost more that what one fundraiser could ever hope come up with, and that there are funds in place to help out with what ever work needs to be done, but to me any more could be a big help. Other ideas perhaps, what about using this as an opportunity to raise money for the Hatchery, perhaps to do more in the enhancement of the lack of Coho returning to our rivers, not just the Vedder. I may be a bit biased, mainly because for some reason I love the Vedder and want to see it return to what it was even 4-5 years ago when I started fishing it, when I as a fairly new fisherman to bc, couldn't keep the Coho the end of my line. Next to the Steelhead, the Coho for me, is the Salmon of choice.
I know that there are other rivers out there that need help, and perhaps we should set up other fundraisers for those specifically, but since I have been on the Vedder hundreds of days, and have seen first hand how it has been going down the tubes quickly, this is the River that I wanted to help. I may be on my own in this opinion, but the Vedder is to me, my home river and needs our help.
I know that I am just rambling on right now, and probably have lost a lot of you already, but the Vedder is still a prime river for now, and I would like to help keep it that way before it falls even more. So, yes let's do what we can for all of our rivers. But at this point in time, for me anyways, the Vedder is the one that I feel needs the help. So many people and businesses depend on this river. So many people look to this river for great memories and peace and relaxation.
A great thanks go out to all that do what they can for the rivers they love. I am sure we all want our rivers to still be there for our future generations, so every little bit we can do, for whatever river we choose to help is a big step in the right direction.
In saying all that, what says we get something like this going? The money raised to go to what is needed most. Like I said, I will help out where ever I can. This was just an idea, anyone can feel free to run with it and see what we come up with. ;)
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Hey Rod,
Why on earth do you need insurance for a cleanup? Just curious...
Cheers,
Nicole
Just in case people fall in the river and become fish food so Chris and I won't get sued. ;) Funny though, once we sat and read "what's not covered" in the insurance that we paid for, it sounded like that we are not covered for anything!
Just about any event that one organizes requires insurance these days, sadly. Fish for the Future that I do each year requires 5 million dollars liability insurance by the City of Richmond.
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Hey Rod,
Why on earth do you need insurance for a cleanup? Just curious...
Cheers,
Nicole
Just in case people fall in the river and become fish food so Chris and I won't get sued. ;) Funny though, once we sat and read "what's not covered" in the insurance that we paid for, it sounded like that we are not covered for anything!
Just about any event that one organizes requires insurance these days, sadly. Fish for the Future that I do each year requires 5 million dollars liability insurance by the City of Richmond.
whoa 5 mill!!! thats a big amount
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Yap that's the 3rd party liabilities insurance right?
That's why it's hard to hold organized events. Too much legal issues to deal with.
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I think that Dave has a great idea with a poker night to help the clay bank situation.. saying that this would be small potatoes and that it needs more funding is a ridiculous statement IMO.. that is like saying don't vote because one vote won't make a difference !!!!
I say we go ahead with this idea and raise as much money as we can.. when we present a cheque to them I am sure they won't say no because the amount is too small !!
so now we need to start doing some research !!
an online [poker night wouldn't work I don't think because all of these online games are for profit!! they will not give up any of their profit towards something like this.. and it is too impersonal I think.. getting everyone together on one night for a fun game will not only raise money but it will increase the amount of awareness .....
How bout we get a list of names of all the people that are willing to help organize something like this
then we can see who we have to work with and then we can assign jobs for each person.. we will need volunteers for a number of different things..
I'll go first :)
1- Rick Lewis
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Well, you know I'm in, I am working on something right now. I'll let you know how it works out! :)
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this is what im talking about, Big Steel not to pick on you but ,,,>>> the biggest steelhead run in BC????? your so far off!! and you have only fished it for 5 or so years doesnt give you enoughof a background on that river, hey go and have fun, meet people and gamble, all for it, instead of giving money for clean up , keep the winners pot so he/she can join clubs so they can actually make a difference with numbers behind them, believe me, all you new fisherman have very little impact by yourself
Thanks for your concerns Cammer, but don't you think it is better do go out and do something than to sit behind a computer and just talk about what should be done? I am not a new fishermen, I have been fishing for 25 plus years. When I said that the Vedder had the biggest Steelhead run, I should have worded it differently I suppose. But there is no denying that the Vedder has the biggest run that is most accessible to lower mainlanders, that cannot make a trip up to mid/ northern bc. Anyhow, all this is besides the point, this is what I suggested for the Vedder, not for the other rivers in BC. If you read back, I also suggested that other things could be done for the other rivers of concern, but this, if it happens will be done for the Vedder.
Anyhow, as far as your comment about new fishermen having very little impact, even if this was true, isn't a little impact better than none? I could go on, but what would the point be. If you want to help out and support it, then great. If not, well that is up to you. ;)
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So now that we know who isn't willing to help ... who is ????
lets keep the ideas coming, and please if you have nothing productive to say can you just keep it to yourself ...
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Good work Dave in this effort to raise funds for the clay slides on the Chilliwack Vedder. With the recent rains and the flood as most know a number of problem slides have been opened up. Until they are repaired we will most likely be faced with many days of unfishable water conditions.
We started CRAC back in 1997 and nearly 10 years later we had done a good portion of the repair work giving us many enjoyable fishing days not to mention the work has reduced siltation which of course is good for both insect and fish life.
Now we are back to square one it appears. Good on you Dave for realizing help is needed which means fund raising to get the needed work done. Every penny that can be raised will be put to good use. Lets get behind Dave and the other organizers to get this off the ground, I am sure it is possible to raise a fair bit of change, although I have to admit I know nothing about poker. ::)
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What the hell is RIck jAMes??? :D I think HE HAD hair.....I'm in!!!
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Dave I think its a good idea to raise some funds to donate toward enhancing our rivers wether it be the vedder or other systems.I don't think a person has to be a member of a known organization to make a difference after all this idea of yours as an individual is to raise some money to donate to a worthy organization that can make a difference.As i told you on the phone i would be willing to help out any way i can,let me know and we will get the wheels turning.
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Sorry Cammer its not that i don't believe you and i do agree with what you are saying regarding having more individuals join some of the organizations in order to have a larger voice,but i don't think it is a bad idea to have some of the eager anglers from fwr or anywhere else for that matter join in a fundraiser event in order to make a donation to one of these groups to help deal with some of the issues we are dealing with today,further more an event of this nature will get people together with common interests and hopefully for some it will mark the beginning of being more involved which could mean higher enrollment in some of these groups you talk about,everyone of the people that are consistently involved with these groups in the best interest of our resource had to start somewhere with their commitment to the resource, and over time the commitment levels evolved to the level of people such as Bill Otway And Chris Gadson ,etc .I believe Its a good thing to get as many people involved in any way we can it can only have positive results as compared to doing nothing,for some of the people an event such as this could be a springboard to further involvement and that would never be a bad thing. :) :)
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Good work Dave in this effort to raise funds for the clay slides on the Chilliwack Vedder. With the recent rains and the flood as most know a number of problem slides have been opened up. Until they are repaired we will most likely be faced with many days of unfishable water conditions.
We started CRAC back in 1997 and nearly 10 years later we had done a good portion of the repair work giving us many enjoyable fishing days not to mention the work has reduced siltation which of course is good for both insect and fish life.
Now we are back to square one it appears. Good on you Dave for realizing help is needed which means fund raising to get the needed work done. Every penny that can be raised will be put to good use. Lets get behind Dave and the other organizers to get this off the ground, I am sure it is possible to raise a fair bit of change, although I have to admit I know nothing about poker. ::)
How much money is the Living Rivers Trust putting into this???
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Alright guys Lets get this going. I talked to 5 or 6 other people who will participate. Also I can donate a few prizes and get the poker chips needed. I will help in anyway which is needed!
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count me in. I will donate some flies as a prize as well. An idea might be to buy something, like a 200-300 dollar prize such as a rod or something with the buy in money and then the rest would go to the charity of choice?
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thick rick "you now know who isnt going to help"?? that makes me laugh,i do way more for fishing in BC than you have any clue about!!A group of eager anglers off FWR will hold zero weight when it comes down to the decisions that matter but if you guys belongs to CRAC or BCWF, BCFDF or TU ,FFF you might get some results, my whole point is get organized under one umbrella if you guys/gals want something done, otherwise doing something will end up just like nothing.
exactly I know you aren't willing to help this poker tourney... you think it is a waste of time, so there you go !! I heard what you had to say and I don't agree... so you and you're organizations can do what you do and we will do what we do ... you're comments aren't helping this in any way so I am asking that you don't make anymore..
TR
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I'll donate to the prize table as well...(maybe I can find a rick james wig :o)...something good 2...
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Thnaks to those that are offering up donations already!! Fisherforever, very generous and when we wind up getting this thing off the ground, we would glad accept it. Mind you, the way I think, you might as well play. You never know, all it takes is some cards and a bit of good luck!! ;D
So in trying to see about getting a place to hold this event, I will be making some calls tomorrow and when I have more info for an update I will post it up. So if I don't post in this thread for a couple days, doesn't mean that there is nothing happening. :)
I see there is lot's of interest and people willing to do what needs to be done. But first things first. ;)
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One more suggestion is that evreryone could bring in a few non perishable food items to be donated to a local food bank. This would be a good time to help out another cause as well during the holidays.
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Anything further on this BS?
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Anything further on this BS?
Yes there has been some further news on the fundraiser. I have been in contact with the powers that be at the Rod and Gun Club. We can have the space for the night for a very fair price. So that is a plus. I have also talked to a couple of tackle shops and so far the response from them is very encouraging. Had a discussion about the fundraiser at the in-laws place over fondue last Sunday, telling them about the hills that need be climbed over to make this work, and got around to talking Posters and tickets for the event. To make a long story short, I believe that if we could get them designed, the in-laws would print them out at their work, as a donation I guess. So that could help out a bit as well.
Now for the bad news, or maybe good news, since I am a total rookie at this fundraising sort of thing. I will have to back out of heading the organization of this fundraiser for personal reason that I don't feel need to be discussed. This is a bad time of year for me, for those that have a good memory. Nuff said about that.
Anyhow, I really hope that someone will take the bull by the horns and continue this as there seems to be a good amount of interest. Anyone who wants to go ahead with the booking of the clubhouse, email me or pm me and I will give you the contact numbers for this. As for the tickets and posters, if you get them designed I will talk to the in-laws more about getting some printed up. As for canvassing the local tackle shops and whomever else I could help out a fair bit with that as well.
Don't know what else to say other than that I really hope this gets off the ground, and I will do what I can to help. :)
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I think hes Bluffing. ;)
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Anyone wanna take charge???
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Hey,
If someones looking to get the ball rolling you can contact this guy that did a pretty bang-up job for a hockey team fundraiser poker tourney I played in last year. He is very good, his price was like $300 ? but its not much considering he governs the entire game and oversees all disputes and problems.Really good when you have 100+ half corked beerleaugers playing cards for money cuz the guy kept it all under control. The guy makes it really easy and straightforward.They combo'ed it with a cheap 3 dollar drink bar with beer and other liqour and raised a lot of money. Heres the info off the business card he gave out :
Teacher-Dealer-Gambler Extraordinaire
Terry Havlik
778-881-4071
poker@havlik.ca