Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Old Black Dog on November 23, 2006, 06:10:51 PM
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Ok, going on my last thread, lets see what you want the Province to do in the future?
Be as specific as you can.
Example, Bring back the hatchery Steelhead and cutthroat program that was on the Capilano.
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I wish the province would develop a universal guideline on forum usage for its people, eg. posting topics in the right section etc. ;)
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why less chums?
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Just a clarification as some people still seem to be unclear as to which agency is responsible for what.
Salmon and habitat = Federal Government
Trout, char, habitat, fresh water anglers = Provincial Government
As this thread is about what the Province (BC govt) should do, here is my wish list.
Develop more angling use plans to regulate the guiding industry.
Get jet boats off of the smaller rivers like the Pitt and Squamish.
Create steelhead fisheries in all of the former rivers that had good fisheries ( east coast of the Island and Lwr mainland) that are not going to return to anything resembling their glory days. Otherwise all of the effort will be concentrated on the Vedder and the Stamp.
Finally ... deal with the damn snag fishery that has spread off of the Fraser to the other rivers.
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Reality:
-return to old funding levels for the lower mainland cutthroat program, particularly on the Harrison
-provide funding to fix the problems on the Thompson
-introduce a bait ban on the Thompson, Oct 1-Dec 31
-introduce wild trout release on the Thompson all year
-further educate anglers on rotational angling during steelhead season
pipe dream:
-Flyfishing only regs all year on the vedder from the CnR bridge down to the confluence of the Sumas/Vedder. I'd be happy with April 1 - June 30, as there is barely a chance to catch them in May, due to onset of freshet.
-Introduce a lottery flyfishing only opportunity in July to angle on the upper closed section of the vedder for trout, dry line and dry fly only. There are some absolutely stunning rainbows up there...
There you go...
Nicole
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-Introduce a lottery flyfishing only opportunity in July to angle on the upper closed section of the vedder for trout, dry line and dry fly only. There are some absolutely stunning rainbows up there...
There you go...
Nicole
I really like that idea :)
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Me too ;D ;D . But I would also like to add the reopening of the hatchery on the coquitlam, Increase the release of more coho, steelhead and red springs on all systems. Put more of the money that we spend on our license and tags towards the fisheries instead of their pockets.
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Reality:
-return to old funding levels for the lower mainland cutthroat program, particularly on the Harrison
-provide funding to fix the problems on the Thompson
-introduce a bait ban on the Thompson, Oct 1-Dec 31-
-introduce wild trout release on the Thompson all year
further educate anglers on rotational angling during steelhead season
There you go...
Nicole
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You have some really good ideas there Nicole, but come on now, a bait ban up there is like me suggesting they ban all flyfishers from the Vedder and other local rivers. I think the feather chuckers need to gain a little tolerance for others sometimes
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Have more dfo officers walking the river and getting rid of the snaggers.
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You have some really good ideas there Nicole, but come on now, a bait ban up there is like me suggesting they ban all flyfishers from the Vedder and other local rivers. I think the feather chuckers need to gain a little tolerance for others sometimes
It's not about that whole tolerance issue, I fish both gear and fly... I don't have a problem with gear fishers up there at all...
But it's time to address the issue, and get this river in line with so many of the other steelhead systems that have low populations, such as the Squamish ban, and more recently the upper Pitt.
Steelhead on the thompson spend up to 3 years in the river before smolting, so maybe the bait ban should be extended to all year, but allow bait for specific salmon openings only.
There should be bait bans in place for every wild steelhead river in BC where low stock levels are an issue.
Cheers,
Nicole
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My wish list would include:
-More lakes managed as trophy waters
-Slot limits for all stillwater trout retention. 30-50cm would be nice.
-Expand stocking of triploids
-Expand the number of fishless lakes stocked. There are so many potholes that could host awsome fisheries with 1000 fingerling a year.
-Limit ice fishing opportunities to designated 'sacrificial' lakes
-Expand funding towards programs studying alien species.
-Bait ban on the Thompson
-Proper dyking on the Vedder to prevent blowouts and to protect habitat
-Creation of more spawning channels on systems where spawning habitat is in poor shape including lake habitats (kokanee/trout)
-Expand steelhead releases on 'hatchery' rivers. I would like to see 200 pairs spawned for brood on the vedder.
-An evaluation of ECVI and other area rivers to determine which can realisticly be rehabilitated to have self sustaining wild fish. Those that can, put programs in place to accomplish that. Those that cannot be rehabilitated, should have stocking programs in place so that they are able to maintain 'modest' angling opportunities.
I'm sure I'll think of more later....
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For everyone to stop whining about what everyone else is doing!
For everyone to stop wanting bait bans everywhere. ;) ;)
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Give back all of the provincial funding that was slashed away from environment / fisheries when Gord the terrible took over
Get rid of their idiotic streamside development and forest practices regulations (fox in charge of the chicken coop if you ask me)
Hang Mr Campbell from a tree would be a good start IMO, or give him a bottle of rum and a set of car keys so he can take care of it himself (on a closed track where only he and his BC liberal friends are allowed to drive of course)
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I would love to see an awsome trout fishery on the Harrison. This river would be a fly fishers paradise even more if we had an abundant number of Cutties, Bull, and some "migratory" rainbow (if thats the name), something to last us through the winter and summer! Maybe they should introduce some "brook trout"???? Last year was pathedic for cuts on the Harrison River, the lake was ok though.
Mike <"))))))><
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steelhead and cuttroat programs brought back to local flows :)
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I agree with many ideas already posted and I'd like to add...
Get rid of the catch quota on bass, specifically in water bodies where they are not officially stocked. Better yet put a bounty on Pike Minnows and Bass in problem areas.
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Example, Bring back the hatchery Steelhead and cutthroat program that was on the Capilano.
I would like to emphasize this one. I heard from an old timer that the Capilano used to have spectacular steelhead runs until the dam cut off their spawning grounds and now their numbers are quite dismal. With the dam constantly fluctuating/affecting water flows and the limited spawning habitat I think the steelies should be more heavily hatchery augmented and if cutthroats are native to that system ??? :-[ then them too.
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Example, Bring back the hatchery Steelhead and cutthroat program that was on the Capilano.
I would like to emphasize this one. I heard from an old timer that the Capilano used to have spectacular steelhead runs until the dam cut off their spawning grounds and now their numbers are quite dismal. With the dam constantly fluctuating/affecting water flows and the limited spawning habitat I think the steelies should be more heavily hatchery augmented and if cutthroats are native to that system ??? :-[ then them too.
I think MOE cancelled the hatchery program for Steelhead?
Check it out.
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Specifically, I would send environment minister Penner packing to Tanzania to learn to look after our resources. Secondly send Gordon Campbell back to Hawaii to finish off his Sambuca and Pepsi. Thirdly pay a shark to hide behind the ice cube in Mr. Campbell's drink and rip another arse in his face......oops the beer talking. Anyway he already knows double talk.
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Ok..here is a crazy idea I have often wondered about. Please don't torch me if its way off track...I am just curious how it would go.
A PRIVATE company negotiates the rights to a river that is relatively fishless (I am thinking Lynn River for example). This company builds a hatchery, and stocks it with a nice compliment of coho, chinook - heck, even sockeye). In return, the "licenses" for that river are sold by the private company. And, no surprise - they cost more. Of course, patrols are far more frequent, in fact, in the fishable areas there may be an patrolman all the time. Their price reflects the more stable run of fish in that river, better catching opportunities, and better enforcement.
ok, now that I typed it out, it does sound slightly Orwellian, but I am curious to hear (in a nice way) what people might think of such an idea. If anyone has seen that old CBC special about fishing in Iceland, they will know, we have pretty rediculous access to the river.
have a nice day
Vince
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I think the liberals would like your idea but I do not support it in the least. :P
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Ok..here is a crazy idea I have often wondered about. Please don't torch me if its way off track...I am just curious how it would go.
A PRIVATE company negotiates the rights to a river that is relatively fishless (I am thinking Lynn River for example). This company builds a hatchery, and stocks it with a nice compliment of coho, chinook - heck, even sockeye). In return, the "licenses" for that river are sold by the private company. And, no surprise - they cost more. Of course, patrols are far more frequent, in fact, in the fishable areas there may be an patrolman all the time. Their price reflects the more stable run of fish in that river, better catching opportunities, and better enforcement.
ok, now that I typed it out, it does sound slightly Orwellian, but I am curious to hear (in a nice way) what people might think of such an idea. If anyone has seen that old CBC special about fishing in Iceland, they will know, we have pretty rediculous access to the river.
have a nice day
Vince
Fish Farming is what you are talking about.
Check out Alaska as they do this up there.
So when the fish are in the ocean who do they belong to them?
What about the wild ones that return to the river?
This by the way is a bad ideal, see private water in Britian or Quebec.
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Never heard of fish farms that allow fishing, and release their stock into the wild OBD, but I am not to versed on the subject. When the fish are in the ocean, they belong to the world I suppose, just like any other salmon. And like I said, it would be in a river with little or preferable no wild fish. (does the lynn actually have some wild fish?)
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Ok..here is a crazy idea I have often wondered about. Please don't torch me if its way off track...I am just curious how it would go.
A PRIVATE company negotiates the rights to a river that is relatively fishless (I am thinking Lynn River for example). This company builds a hatchery, and stocks it with a nice compliment of coho, chinook - heck, even sockeye). In return, the "licenses" for that river are sold by the private company. And, no surprise - they cost more. Of course, patrols are far more frequent, in fact, in the fishable areas there may be an patrolman all the time. Their price reflects the more stable run of fish in that river, better catching opportunities, and better enforcement.
ok, now that I typed it out, it does sound slightly Orwellian, but I am curious to hear (in a nice way) what people might think of such an idea. If anyone has seen that old CBC special about fishing in Iceland, they will know, we have pretty rediculous access to the river.
have a nice day
Vince
my problem with that is that it would be the thin edge of the wedge, "relatively fishless" who decides at what level do you let private enterprise decide on how much to charge? guaranteed that it would be a publicly owned resource made unaffordable to all but the wealthy .something I would never support, we in BC have free access to rivers for an affordable fee. we would end up with the same system as in England and Scotland where fishing in rivers is unfordable to ordinary folk.