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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: newsman on November 13, 2006, 10:27:49 PM
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The Stave is fishable again. Spent a few hours there this afternoon chucking flies. Spotted some clean Chum but couldn't get past the uglies, so I went hunting Coho. Spotted a half dozen; all tight lipped. Finished of the day with 35lb Spring.
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nice way to end the day. I did well there last week.
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NEVER REALLY DID WELL ON THE STAVE !
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You fish from shore or a boat?
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I am from shore with the fly
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You fish from shore or a boat?
Shore
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Thanks for the report, Next week im going to bring my flyrod there, I did well last week on gear.
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Dear Mr Newsman, where in the stave are these coho of which you speak, and if you feel like elaborating on the springs that would be great too. I have fished the stave like crazy this year, mostly on gear, and have caught nothing I want. I have caught plenty of chums (a little bored of having all my tackle chewed to crap) one or two pikeminnnows, and even a little 10inch cutty. But anything to boast of.................. not so much. Your insight would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
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What flies go well for the coho and springs?
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I caught a coho there a few years back, trolling lures above the railway bridge, and from shore at the mouth. I have seen someone catch one by me last year 300 yards up from the garbage hole or whatever they call the old boat launch. They are there just hard to get.
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Dear Mr Newsman, where in the stave are these coho of which you speak, and if you feel like elaborating on the springs that would be great too. I have fished the stave like crazy this year, mostly on gear, and have caught nothing I want. I have caught plenty of chums (a little bored of having all my tackle chewed to crap) one or two pikeminnnows, and even a little 10inch cutty. But anything to boast of.................. not so much. Your insight would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
P.S.
What flies go well for the coho and springs?
The oxbows are oftain a good bet, but oftain dead slow so you need to be skilled with a dry line. I use my own patterns (flat black, met green, blue chistmas, and bite me!) which I have developed over the years. My flies are weight to sink at a medium speed which allows me the line control of a dry line while getting my flies down into the stike zone.
The bottom of the oxbows where they flow back in the main stem is also a good spot.
My fly selection for the Stave is as follows
Flat Black: Spring (I have observed that Spings are light shy and avoid any thing too bright or flashy). Also has proven itself to be a good Steelhead pattern.
Met Green: My knockem dead Chum pattern. this fly has netted me countless fish after fish until your arms give out days.
Blue Christmas: Good Coho producer and my answer to the Coho Blue which I have found to fragile for my liking.
Bite Me!: My latest and best Coho pattern; Dollies like it too. This pattern is the best Coho pattern I have tested. It has even topped my old goto pattern the rolled muddler. The name has a two fold meaning one to the fish, the other to my critics.
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Newsman: where are these patterns listed? And if not listed perhaps this can be added to the list of flies in the demo flytying section which is to be done by ChromeMykiss.
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You can find Blue Chistmas and Met Green (or Mat Green as it is also known) in the book "A Compendium of Canadain Fly Patterns).
As for Flat Black and Bite Me!, perhaps BwiBwi could help. I sent him some samples last year along with tying instuctions. For me to put them up on the bourd at this point would be a pain since I am not that computer skilled yet.
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Thanks for all the good words
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I have done well on blue muddler and merci blue both can be found at hatch matcher's fly and tackle. They are great for coho. Like I said earlier on this post, I have done well at the stave with just these two flies for coho.
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I shared a bunch of my patterns, tying instructions included with a shop owner a year ago. I did this so everyone could have easy access to them. After I sent a few students there to aquire some of my recomended patterns, I receaved reports that he was not supplying them. I went back and asked him why he hadn't had his tyers make a bunch up (the agreement was that I would supply samples along with tying instructions and he would stock them in his store. this would give me a place to send anglers looking for my patterns). His responce was that the patterns I had developed were to good to share with everyone and that we did not want everyone to get as good as us. That from a store owner; Go figure? Anyway I have boycotted his store since that day. It is my wish to share my success with others not keep it to a selct group. This is why I shared my patterns with BwiBwi last year. As I said he is more computer literate than I so perhaps between Bwi, Rod, & Chrome we can get them on the board.
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HE SHOULD B ASHAMED OF HIMSELF !
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Hi newsman. If you have the time to make some of those patterns, I'll be the first one to buy them off you. Thanks again for your help.
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I shared a bunch of my patterns, tying instructions included with a shop owner a year ago. I did this so everyone could have easy access to them. After I sent a few students there to aquire some of my recomended patterns, I receaved reports that he was not supplying them. I went back and asked him why he hadn't had his tyers make a bunch up (the agreement was that I would supply samples along with tying instructions and he would stock them in his store. this would give me a place to send anglers looking for my patterns). His responce was that the patterns I had developed were to good to share with everyone and that we did not want everyone to get as good as us. That from a store owner; Go figure? Anyway I have boycotted his store since that day. It is my wish to share my success with others not keep it to a selct group. This is why I shared my patterns with BwiBwi last year. As I said he is more computer literate than I so perhaps between Bwi, Rod, & Chrome we can get them on the board.
Being that I am a loyal customer of his I am going to copy what you just wrote and bring it up with him. Nothing like bashing a store owner over the internet knowing he is not going to be on here to defend himself. I have no respect for you and you should be ashamed of yourself for slandering a business on the web like that. Thats his bread and butter and by doing this you are taking food out of his kids mouths.
>:(
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Sorry newsman, have to agree with bbronswyk2000 on this one. I've modified the posts and taken out the name.
As for the fly patterns, we can certainly find some time next year to make videos.
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I'd have to side with Bryan too. Maybe your flies were no longer instock because they didn't sell. And what he said to you was his attempt not to say "Your flies suck!!!". The thing is for anything to sell it has to catch the customers eye, and then they will find out if it actually works. Something tells me your flies (because you describe them as being matte, or dull with no flash) would not attract the customers eye. I have tied flies for a shop before too, and let me tell you, they look much different then those in my fly box.
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I'm with BB on this one to.
I find it hard to believe that a store owner or anyone else would say that there are fly patterns to good to share with anyone. If it was my business I would tell everyone and reap the rewards.
No such thing as to good a fly pattern imo, especially for Salmon in fresh water. Pretty well anything will work. I tie huge amounts of salmon flies every season and there is a real good chance that your patterns and mine and anyone else that ties are similar. Maybe the color combos, size or weights are different but in the end they all work, even though I have no doubt that your particular patterns are a consistent producer.
I still say for consistent successful salmon fishing in fresh water getting the fly down to the fish is more important than the fly. I'm sure there are many that will disagree.
Fly patterns are as good as the confidence you have fishing them.
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Say what you will fellas I have no reason to lie.
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Say what you will fellas I have no reason to lie.
You were still in the wrong for posting it on an internet forum. Regardless if you are right or wrong. How about you tell me what you do for a living so I can go on a bunch of forums and slander you and the business in which you work? Should be ok right since you find it ok....
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Point taken bbronswyk you are right I stand corrected. As a point of reffernce my wife happened to be looking over my shoulder and saw your post and wanted to know what it was all about. Well needless to say she was not impressed. I see the error of my ways, am embarrassed, an apologize for acting in haste with out thinking it all through.
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my wife happened to be looking over my shoulder and saw your post and wanted to know what it was all about. Well needless to say she was not impressed.
Somebody is in big trouble tonight... ;D
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Takes a big man to admit when he makes a mistake. Kudos to you :)
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Point taken bbronswyk you are right I stand corrected. As a point of reffernce my wife happened to be looking over my shoulder and saw your post and wanted to know what it was all about. Well needless to say she was not impressed. I see the error of my ways, am embarrassed, an apologize for acting in haste with out thinking it all through.
Wow,
How refreshing to see someone acknowledge a not so well thought out post. Good on ya.
PS - When it comes to black Salmon flies all I've used or tie is either a black or egg sucking leech. Your Flat Black sounds interesting.
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The "fly" I'd use would be green wool, tied up to look like Elvis. Worked for me there. I call it a Green Elvis.