Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: nosey on September 23, 2006, 01:54:58 PM
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In all sections of this forum I find complaints about the snagging going on at KWB, don't you think it would be a good idea to start snapping a few photos of these people and posting them some place, I mean be serious don't just post a pic of one of your buds just to pee him off, try to get some good face shots of the blatant snaggers see how they like being posted.
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Sounds good! Please just don't post them here yet, my legal fund is not sufficient enough to cover any future law suit expenses. ;)
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Ok birdboy you can spend your day following snaggers to there cars. :)
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And they will call the cops on you for stalking them ;D
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That would be a great idea, if DFO would do anything about it!! If they wanted to make some more money and bust some people, all they would have to do is hang out at the KWB for a couple of hrs a day for a couple weeks. It would probably cut down on fishing pressure and make people think twice about mistreating the Salmon. Let's face it, this "technique" just may be the only way these "fishermen" can catch fish. For whatever reason, whether they are to lazy to look in other spots or having to work for there fish. Anyhow, I do think a visable presence would be a rather good thing to have around that area, along with a view other choice areas at times!! ;)
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so is it or is it not illegal to fish the vedder with a 15 foot leader?
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so is it or is it not illegal to fish the vedder with a 15 foot leader?
Let's just say that it isn't right to do so....... As for the legality of it, I am not sure. There is nothing in the regs regarding leader length. But some here will swear that there buddies' buddy has gotten a fine for using a longer leader and flossing fish on the Vedder. :-\
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Better idea is to have spot closures on certain areas. eg - No fishing 100m above KWB and no fishing 500m below KWB. I can think of a few other places on the Chilliwack/Vedder that could use this regulation. I think I'll send these ideas to DFO and MOE.
Yeah that would be good a great idea as well. I know that they do this on some other rivers in BC. Why not do it on the Vedder as well. :)
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Better idea is to have spot closures on certain areas. eg - No fishing 100m above KWB and no fishing 500m below KWB. I can think of a few other places on the Chilliwack/Vedder that could use this regulation. I think I'll send these ideas to DFO and MOE.
That burns all the flyfishers... I very rarely snag fish by accident, I can only think of one out of at least 100 fish last year. And that area is my prime water... It would simply not work!
However, I'd be more than happy to see the stretch from the KWB to the Freeway bridge made Flyfishing only, now that would be cool!
Cheers,
Nicole
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I feel your frustration but I caution anyone thinking of posting pictures of snaggers on this or any other forums. They have not been convicted in a court of law and you can be liable for damages.
As for spot closures on rivers, I think all it will achieve is to move the snaggers from the Keith Road area to another area of the Vedder. The problem is not with the Keith Road area or any other area where there are bottle necks but the snaggers. A crackdown by DFO and subsequent conviction and heavy fines will solve the problem pretty quick.
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DFO should run an expirement on this and see if it would lower the amount of people doing this crap
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I agree with F.A. all you'll do is move the snaggers from kwb to another spot on the river..the problem itself needs to be dealt with...I think what is needed is a group of people to become river watchers...Like flybc. is doing with the coq. We need to post the rules or "suggestions" of proper fishing..and you need to confront those that aren't doing it correctly...whether you take their pictures and send them to DFO and nothing happens isn't the point...the point might be that they don't know that and will think twice....Of course I'm also of the opinion that a well placed baseball bat is a great way to get someones attention..but again, some of these guys don't know any better and don't know the rules...so the signs and talking would help...
Nicole your pic. is creeping me out...it reminds me of my recent visit to the gastro. specialist and he told me where he wanted to put a camera... ;D ;)....
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Don’t ruin your day by watching the antics at KWB. Isn’t it wiser to just avoid that place instead of getting frustrated? That’s a meathole for meatheads so just go fish somewhere else. As Fish Assassin said the snaggers will simply go elsewhere if you close off the area. Perhaps they’ll invade your favourite holes and then what? You’ll be begging the DFO to reopen the spot closure. It’s better to keep them at KWB (and Lickman) so at least you know where they are concentrated. WALK a little and find a nice quiet place to fish and have FUN when you are out there.
The DFO could easily wipe out the antics forever with three officers in two weeks. But if they do who is going to keep all the white chinooks? ;D
However, I'd be more than happy to see the stretch from the KWB to the Freeway bridge made Flyfishing only, now that would be cool!
Hey, I'd go for that. Do you know a good way to cast a chunk of roe on a flyline? ;)
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The DFO could easily wipe out the antics forever with three officers in two weeks. But if they do who is going to keep all the white chinooks? ;D
Heh! Too true... Good one!
Cheers,
Nicole
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so is it or is it not illegal to fish the vedder with a 15 foot leader?
Let's just say that it isn't right to do so....... As for the legality of it, I am not sure. There is nothing in the regs regarding leader length. But some here will swear that there buddies' buddy has gotten a fine for using a longer leader and flossing fish on the Vedder. :-\
So does anyone know for sure, I mean it's obvious that flossing on the vedder or other systems is not a "technique" favored or endorsed by DFO and by the majority on this board, but from a legal perspective, and the perspective DFO and a court of law would take is what is the difference between flossing the Fraser for sockey (Clearly legal for the moment) and flossing the veder?
I'm curious to know if the regs have specific wording that allows it on the Fraser but banns it elsewhere?
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The difference is that there is no need if you know what you are doing. If you truly know how to fish then you can catch fish on the veddar with no real problems. The reason it is done on the fraser for sockeye is that the sockeye do not bite. People bring it to the veddar because they only know one way to catch fish and that is to floss( also known as snagging). It is pretty sad.
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The difference is that there is no need if you know what you are doing. If you truly know how to fish then you can catch fish on the veddar with no real problems. The reason it is done on the fraser for sockeye is that the sockeye do not bite. People bring it to the veddar because they only know one way to catch fish and that is to floss( also known as snagging). It is pretty sad.
Flyguy,
I realize this and i'm not arguing for flossing on the veddar, I'm simply attempting to figure out the difference from a legal/regs perspective.
The difference you mention is of course a practical difference, and i'm sure 99.9% of people that participate in this board will agree on that. But in my mind it's not a legal argument. I doubt a judge would care about the "if you know what you're doing" argument in court.
So, back to the question posted earlier in this thread....Is it Illegal or not?
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Let's just say that it isn't right to do so....... As for the legality of it, I am not sure. There is nothing in the regs regarding leader length. But some here will swear that there buddies' buddy has gotten a fine for using a longer leader and flossing fish on the Vedder. :-\
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So does anyone know for sure, I mean it's obvious that flossing on the vedder or other systems is not a "technique" favored or endorsed by DFO and by the majority on this board, but from a legal perspective, and the perspective DFO and a court of law would take is what is the difference between flossing the Fraser for sockey (Clearly legal for the moment) and flossing the veder?
I'm curious to know if the regs have specific wording that allows it on the Fraser but banns it elsewhere?
[/quote]Actually there is no difference when it comes right down to it. That is why I refuse to take part in the sockeye openings as I could not defend my position that it is ok to fish one way on one system and not on another, I believe I can not have it both ways, not that I would want too.
I know members of this forum that fish sockeye would never dream of carrying the same method over to others rivers but unfortunately many others do as the reports are now flooding in from many how distasteful it is out there on the Vedder. They have leaned only how to floss fish and have no idea or in many cases the will to learn how to sportfish, where you actually have to work at the craft to intice a fish to take your offering.
In all respect to all this is why I have posted so many times on this flossing issues this past season and other years the danger of the sockeye openings. Maybe good news is ahead as I heard through a contact some changes have been suggested by some enforcement staff on this issue not sure exactly what is planned or where it will go. I guess we will just have to wait and watch the abuse of our precious fish stocks on the Chilliwack Vedder for a little longer.
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So, back to the question posted earlier in this thread....Is it Illegal or not?
[/quote]You posted this since I posted my last comments so will add a little more. I would say it is as legal as what goes on out on the Fraser however I believe the regulations say you are not supposed to intently go out and attempt to snag fish at any time but as we know very few sockeye actually bite on the Fraser so one can make your own judgment on that bases. If the regulations read the fish must be hooked inside the mouth not in the mouth as it reads now (which seems to means around the mouth area in the sockeye opening) that would make those fish illegal to retain.
A number of anglers on the Vedder which we all observe seem to strike at every drift so the CO after observing that they can issue a ticket for attempting to snag.
This is now a very difficult issue to deal with of course and there is no easy answer. It can be controlled to some degree with some new regulations but to stop what we have now is impossible unless we ban fishing all together and who would want that to happen, unless you are a member of PETA.
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This is now a very difficult issue to deal with of course and there is no easy answer. It can be controlled to some degree with some new regulations but to stop what we have now is impossible unless we ban fishing all together and who would want that to happen, unless you are a member of PETA.
Well said Chris, I think you've answered my question. Let's hope Pam Anderson isn't reading this forum.......we wouldn't want to get PETA involved.
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This is now a very difficult issue to deal with of course and there is no easy answer. It can be controlled to some degree with some new regulations but to stop what we have now is impossible unless we ban fishing all together and who would want that to happen, unless you are a member of PETA.
Well said Chris, I think you've answered my question. Let's hope Pam Anderson isn't reading this forum.......we wouldn't want to get PETA involved.
She is a cousin of my first cousin so I better not bring it up when I see her next time. Actually I should have got her to come to the cleanup tomorrow but I imagine it would decrease the attendance. ;D ;D
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The difference is that there is no need if you know what you are doing. If you truly know how to fish then you can catch fish on the veddar with no real problems. The reason it is done on the fraser for sockeye is that the sockeye do not bite. People bring it to the veddar because they only know one way to catch fish and that is to floss( also known as snagging). It is pretty sad.
Flyguy,
I realize this and i'm not arguing for flossing on the veddar, I'm simply attempting to figure out the difference from a legal/regs perspective.
The difference you mention is of course a practical difference, and i'm sure 99.9% of people that participate in this board will agree on that. But in my mind it's not a legal argument. I doubt a judge would care about the "if you know what you're doing" argument in court.
So, back to the question posted earlier in this thread....Is it Illegal or not?
Based on Regulation, flossing is completely legal. To bother, harass or threaten someone can result in charges and conviction under the Criminal Code.
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Better idea is to have spot closures on certain areas. eg - No fishing 100m above KWB and no fishing 500m below KWB. I can think of a few other places on the Chilliwack/Vedder that could use this regulation. I think I'll send these ideas to DFO and MOE.
Ya that sounds good but then they will seek new holes and ruin the rest of the river they aren't allready occupying. :'(
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What about posting a pic of someone with their face blocked/altered?
That defeats the whole purpose of posting pictures of snaggers