Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bentrod on September 09, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
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Just so you don't have to give any secrets away, what's your favorite "out of the box" egg cure. My favorite so far is double red/non-staining Last Supper from Pro Cure for springs and either natural or pink for steelhead. I haven't used any other brands, but would like to know if anything is better. Has anyone used Ammerman's?
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Well, I haven't really tried much, as the regular old borax has always worked well for me. Natural color has been great to me and I haven't had the need to change it up yet. I seem to get the color I like out of the roe just going by the drying time. ;D I guess you could call me a naturalist. ;D I have used colored borax though, doesn't seem to to much for the color though, other than turn my hands orange!! ??? ::) ;D Can't remember the name of that stuff at the moment though.
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I've tried Amerman's. No better than ProCure. All hype.
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I just finished drying out some more ore, I now have plenty after getting lucky on the last few trips!! Chopped it up and just dropped it into a bag full of regular old Borax. Did the same on Saturday with my first batch, and the firsts batch looks awesome. Can't wait to use it next Sunday!! All of it was done natural, but with the drying times, it has a real nice bright orange look to it and should work great. But we will see about that!! ;)
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dishwashing gloves work well for keeping your hands stain free. :)
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How long do you let the roe dry for?
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Depends on what type of eggs you want and the weather conditions. If you want softer eggs, couple of hours might suffice depending on where you dry your eggs. Overnight and upwards to 24 hours if you want harder eggs. Longer if you are drying them in a cool place.
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
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water salt and red food colouring makes the best roe I think
I have tried the red hot and others and i never get the results I want, KISS
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i also just order that book from amazon how do you find it,I've heard the samething about handling the roe with gloves.still new to curing thing all together but that makes sense,can't wait till i can cure a killer batch for the Ho's, i hope ::)
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I sincerly doubt handling some chum roe ,that human scent is going to overpower the stink that comes off the roe. Especially if it's been in a container in the hot sun all day. I have a hard anough time getting the smell off my hands. Maybe thats what they meant.
Mule Team and nothing else, seems to have worked the past 30 years.
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
You still have to use your bare hands when you attach the roe to the hook so the point about human scent doesn't make any sense. I do wear dish washing gloves when curing the roe to prevent my hands from turning bright red/pink.
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i also just order that book from amazon how do you find it,I've heard the samething about handling the roe with gloves.still new to curing thing all together but that makes sense,can't wait till i can cure a killer batch for the Ho's, i hope ::)
Great book, lots of good recipes.
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
You still have to use your bare hands when you attach the roe to the hook so the point about human scent doesn't make any sense. I do wear dish washing gloves when curing the roe to prevent my hands from turning bright red/pink.
I think they are more concerned with the scent on Roe coming out of the fish and processing it..human scent can get into the eggs..that said, when they put it on the hook they said just don't drop your roe in the water and then wash your hands upstream of it....Personally I could care less what you choose to do, just trying to pass on some worthwhile info.
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
You still have to use your bare hands when you attach the roe to the hook so the point about human scent doesn't make any sense. I do wear dish washing gloves when curing the roe to prevent my hands from turning bright red/pink.
I think they are more concerned with the scent on Roe coming out of the fish and processing it..human scent can get into the eggs..that said, when they put it on the hook they said just don't drop your roe in the water and then wash your hands upstream of it....Personally I could care less what you choose to do, just trying to pass on some worthwhile info.
Why the defensive tone? I was not criticising you for posting the information, just trying to understand the logic behind it and maybe spark further discussion on the importance or unimportance of human scent when processing roe. If I shot the messenger it was unintentional.
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Hi all,
Really basic question from a new comer to BC.
Why do you cure roe? Is it just to make it harder so it's more usable as bait?
I've had a guide tell me fresh roe is the best under certain circumstances (steelhead fishing) but that I could get away with cured for Springs? If fresh is better can you not just freeze it? If it needs to be hardened how do you fish fresh soft roe?
Although I've used roe (cured comercially) I haven't seen fresh roe to compare it to hence the question.
I know almost everyone here will know the answer so sorry it's so basic a question, but coming from the UK I don't know. So if anyone knows where to find a basic intro to roe as bait that would be cool.
tight lines,
cheers,
Paul.
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Why do you cure roe? Is it just to make it harder so it's more usable as bait?
Yes, hardens/makes it firm so it stays on the hook better. Colouring makes it more visible.
Why the defensive tone?
Easy there FO. :D Tones are always difficult to interpret and often misunderstood when the messages are typed. :) I'm sure GM didn't mean it like that. ;D
Next time when you come fishing with roe, I want to see you in dish washing gloves. It would make a skunked day rather exciting. ;D
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"Next time when you come fishing with roe, I want to see you in dish washing gloves. It would make a skunked day rather exciting. ;D"
You should have worn gloves when you took your Dad out recently. At least he would have been entertained. ;D
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Just Finished a batch of sockeye roe using Rodneys method. http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2004/1004_01.html
This is the first roe iv cured, hopefully it works out. ::).
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I met a guy on the river from back east last year while steelheading and he gave me some uncured roe sacks that looked dynamite. They weresticky and quite firm. He said uncured roe is best. I have since tried freezing roe in ziplocks and vacuum bags but the roe loses it's color. I think touching the roe with your bare hands before it is cured could definately make it less attractive to the fish since it is the smell of the eggs milking that attracts them to the bait and they find human odour quite offensive. It doesn't matter so much if you touch the bait while rigging because the eggs won't have much of a chance to absorb the smell since they are covered in borax which will quickly wash off in the water. If your worried about getting any scent on the eggs at all you can rub some anise oil on your hands but I don't bother. I usually bring a small bucket along to wash my hands in unless I am planning on doing a lot of hiking.
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
You still have to use your bare hands when you attach the roe to the hook so the point about human scent doesn't make any sense. I do wear dish washing gloves when curing the roe to prevent my hands from turning bright red/pink.
I think they are more concerned with the scent on Roe coming out of the fish and processing it..human scent can get into the eggs..that said, when they put it on the hook they said just don't drop your roe in the water and then wash your hands upstream of it....Personally I could care less what you choose to do, just trying to pass on some worthwhile info.
Why the defensive tone? I was not criticising you for posting the information, just trying to understand the logic behind it and maybe spark further discussion on the importance or unimportance of human scent when processing roe. If I shot the messenger it was unintentional.
Sorry, no defensive tone intended...was reading it at work and was rushing through the reply...re-reading it I can see how it sounds that way...my apoligies!!
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Fresh roe outfishes frozen roe, hands down (and somehow off). I use to buy the fresh stuff for bar fishing the lower Fraser and it always outfished older or cured roe.
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my meathod salt and sugar then dry :)
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Ok...couple questions...All the borax cures i've read they have added suger or salt and sodium solfide or bisolfide..(not sure of spelling on that)....I didn't know plain borax worked...
Also...i'm not preaching here or anything..as to be honest i'm doing my first batches for steelhead and mainly fly anyways...but i got a book called Egg cures..by amato books, they PREACH that you never touch your eggs by hand..always wear gloves..All the way from taking the eggs out of the fish to curing them..no human scent as it can deter the fish...Just throwing that out there as just about every one of the guys who put in their recipes harped on that point...and no blood, clean eggs...
You still have to use your bare hands when you attach the roe to the hook so the point about human scent doesn't make any sense. I do wear dish washing gloves when curing the roe to prevent my hands from turning bright red/pink.
I think they are more concerned with the scent on Roe coming out of the fish and processing it..human scent can get into the eggs..that said, when they put it on the hook they said just don't drop your roe in the water and then wash your hands upstream of it....Personally I could care less what you choose to do, just trying to pass on some worthwhile info.
Why the defensive tone? I was not criticising you for posting the information, just trying to understand the logic behind it and maybe spark further discussion on the importance or unimportance of human scent when processing roe. If I shot the messenger it was unintentional.
Sorry, no defensive tone intended...was reading it at work and was rushing through the reply...re-reading it I can see how it sounds that way...my apoligies!!
Apology accepted and appreciated. :)
So when are you going to try out your first batch of roe? Looking forward to the fishing report.
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Xgolfman
is the book by Scott Haugen? Very informative book. And I have the same questions about, Sodium Bisulfite?
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try looking for the Pro Cure video on curing roe. Lots of different cures in there and shows what the eggs look like and different stages of curing. I tried one cure using the following 1/3 Pautzke's Cure, 1/3 borax and 1/3 sugar I then added Anise oil to some and Anchovy oil on some others so the scent gets sucked back into the eggs when curing. Eggs came out real nice. The borax helps stop mold from growing on your eggs if left in the fridge too long. Sea Run, Riverside and Highwater Tackle have the video.
Also have used the Beau Mac "Pro Glow" egg cure with good success for using right out of the bottle.