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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bobby b on February 18, 2016, 10:54:48 AM
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Which line do you prefer for your Centerpin?
When I bought my cp reel, the shop spooled it up with Trilene XL..... Tried that for a while but did not like at all... Then I got it re-spooled with 15 lb Maxima Chameleon ... This stiff line took a bit to get used to but I liked it ....however I found when using a 12 lb Ultragreen leader it was breaking before the leader would when I got a snag, breaking above the float at times too so I was losing floats.
I recently switched to 20 lb Chameleon with 15 lb UG leaders and so far so good ... but did have it snap off once already and again it did break above the float !
Is the 15 UG just plain stronger than the 20 Cham. ? Or am I just having some bad luck?
Again, I do like the feel of the Chameleon and I like how it casts too, any thoughts on any other line that you prefer or has anyone experienced the same.
Thanks
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20 MAXIMA but some folks like 15.
20 allows me to up my leader when targeting bigger fish.
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15lb Maxima Ultragreen and same 12lb leader. Never have issue of main breaking before leader does.
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I have always used 15lb Chameleon main with 12lb Ultragreen leader and have never had the main line break.
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I use 15lb ultra green mainline and 10lb floro leader for steelhead.
I would look at your knots first.
What are you using to peg your float to the line?
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Knots are good.
I use rubber bobber stoppers.( 2 above and below the float )
Pretty much exactly the same setup I've always been using for my bait cast setup but with that I use 15 or 20lb ultra green main and 10-12 lb leaders. With that setup I almost never break the main line. I have had both the 15lb and 20lb Chameleon main line break on me a number of times now in just a few outings.
I have never used Chameleon before and I was thinking the breaks may be due to the line change.... ? But if others have not experienced the same ...maybe just bad luck?
For weight I usually just use a snap swivel and surgical tubing/pencil lead, the weight will usually just break off if I get it snagged.
Maybe I will just switch to Ultragreen on the pin....
I am using Chameleon as the guys at Searun told me that the Chameleon is the best line for Centerpin......
We'll see... It's still new so I guess I will keep using it it for now ..... when the rain lets up that is.....doh!!!
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Check all of the guides on your rod. Make sure all the inserts are in place and check for broken ones. These broken or cracked guides could be putting small nicks in your mainline causing it to break under pressure.
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Sure ....but I don't think so and I sure hope not as it is a brand spanking new Sage 3113lb build with quality parts ( 1 month old ) from a very well respected builder.
When I do snag up, I keep the rod dead straight and pull back.
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I don't think fisherforever was dissing.
He was just pointing out possible problems.
Some folks go with hiever main line, some don't.
I've used 15 but I don't have two pinrods anymore.
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If you have small cracks in the guide the line will fray easily rubbing against the cracks. More pressure is added on the line to the cracks when you are casting. Had this happen on a old trophy xl recently, havent fixed it yet.
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Sure ....but I don't think so and I sure hope not as it is a brand spanking new Sage 3113lb build with quality parts ( 1 month old ) from a very well respected builder.
When I do snag up, I keep the rod dead straight and pull back.
Hey bobby b, let's make sure it's not a guide issue. The guides on your rod are as good as they get, but even spaceships fail ;)... get some nylon, like a ladies stocking or some roe bag mesh ... roll it into a tube 4-5 " long and small enough to thread through each guide ring. Run it through the guide insert ... if the mesh hangs up anywhere, there is a problem with the insert, and I will replace it, no charge.
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Babcocks builds maybe, but, not Dave's.
( I have a rod Dave built )
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Wasn't dissing the rod at all. :) Just offering an idea to check the guides, see lots of broken out there. I should have added to my first post that a quick way to check the guides is to just run a Q Tip through them, the fuzzy ends will catch on imperfections.
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I don't think fisherforever was dissing.
Neither did I..?!
Hey bobby b, let's make sure it's not a guide issue. The guides on your rod are as good as they get, but even spaceships fail ;)... get some nylon, like a ladies stocking or some roe bag mesh ... roll it into a tube 4-5 " long and small enough to thread through each guide ring. Run it through the guide insert ... if the mesh hangs up anywhere, there is a problem with the insert, and I will replace it, no charge.
Will do, I will check when I get home from work and let ya know .....cheers Dave
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Your main line shouldn't break before your leader. Do you check your line for nicks before you fish? It could be the float stops as well, they can wear down your line if you're not making them wet before you adjust them.
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Yes, the mainline should not break before the leader, that is fully what I would expect but not what I am experiencing,,,,,so really chalking it up to bad luck at this point.
I s'pose a 'bad batch' of line is not out of the realm of possibility!?!
The line was and is still new, both the 15lb and 20 lb. I do usually check for nicks as the line ages or after use. Had 3 outings with the 15 and only one so far with the 20.
I checked out the guides/inserts, and as far as I can tell all is well....they all passed the q-tip and mesh test.
Hope to get out on Sat and maybe again on Tues barring any more torrential downpours that is...lol. Hopefully my luck will change, both line and fish wise!
I will get in touch with you Dave and maybe drop by on one of those afternoons if you are around.
Cheers and thanks
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What kind of centerpin are you using? I had a friend who dropped his Milner onto some rocks and left some nice dents on the rim of the spool, soon after he was loosing floats and a fair bit of line (15lb main and 10-12lb leader) and after a check he found that sometimes his line would get nicks cause a bit of metal (aluminum from the spool) was hitting his line cause the chip was pointing inwards towards the spool of the line.
A bad batch of line... a rare possibility but that I what I am wondering when it came to Seaguar Senshi 20lb line, a friend managed to break off almost every fish he had and loose 4 floats in a day. I've used the 15lb Seaguar Senshi and no problems and same with another friend.
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I use 17 lb Stren, 15 lb Seaguar blue, and those ubiquitous DNE rubber stoppers (the small ones) and haven't had my mainline break (knock on wood). I've only had a centerpin setup for a little over a year though.
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The CP reel is a Milner Kingfisher....no nicks ... gawd i hope I dont drop it on the rocks :o
I will get out this Tues and prob fish all day....I'll just have to see how it goes
Thanks for all the suggestions
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If you're not to worried about it, then by all means "see how it goes."
If it was me I'd be testing a couple of my knots in the shop before I head out next. I would also rip that line off my reel and re spool it with something else. You make it sound like this has happened a few times. 20lb test should not be breaking. This is not normal. Your 3113lb would snap doubled over before that line should break even IF you were clamping down on the reel.
I had this problem before and I'm pretty sure it was the way I was pegging my float. The problem stopped after I switched gear.
Breaking off on a coho is not a big deal.
Losing everything to a big steelhead is heart breaking.
I like to run 5lb difference between mainline and leader.
You cannot go wrong with 15 lb main 10lb leader both Maxima ultra green. There are many other choices but I would say this combo is one of the most common.
What knot are you using? I use an improved clinch 5-7 wraps. Ultra green is pretty forgiving but I still like to lick my knots from habit of using floro. Are you Using split shot on your mainline?
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If you're not to worried about it, then by all means "see how it goes."
If it was me I'd be testing a couple of my knots in the shop before I head out next. I would also rip that line off my reel and re spool it with something else. You make it sound like this has happened a few times. 20lb test should not be breaking. This is not normal. Your 3113lb would snap doubled over before that line should break even IF you were clamping down on the reel.
I had this problem before and I'm pretty sure it was the way I was pegging my float. The problem stopped after I switched gear.
Breaking off on a coho is not a big deal.
Losing everything to a big steelhead is heart breaking.
I like to run 5lb difference between mainline and leader.
You cannot go wrong with 15 lb main 10lb leader both Maxima ultra green. There are many other choices but I would say this combo is one of the most common.
What knot are you using? I use an improved clinch 5-7 wraps. Ultra green is pretty forgiving but I still like to lick my knots from habit of using floro. Are you Using split shot on your mainline?
I too use an improved clinch with at least 7 wraps....wet 'em too.
The 20lb line broke once, the15lb .. 3 times. The main line is not breaking off when on a fish, as stated, only when I snag on bottom or something... Never with rod bent
When I do snag up, I keep the rod dead straight and pull back.
Weight setup ....
For weight I usually just use a snap swivel and surgical tubing/pencil lead, the weight will usually just break off if I get it snagged.
I do think you are on to something Noahs Arc with regard to the way the float is 'pegged'
I'm kinda suspecting the dne stoppers, was told the 8-12lb size was fine to use on 15 and 20lb line but I feel they are a bit too tight even when wet, this may be causing a pressure point on the line that causes it to snap prematurely.....maybe..?
I tried out a set of the eagle claw stoppers and they fit way smoother, they hold the float in place and glide easily when adjustment is needed. They dont feel like they are pinching the line like the dne ones do. I used that setup all day on Sat and not a single main line break. Snagged once and lost the leader and weight but swivel and up stayed as expected.
When all is said and done though, I may just switch back to Maxima Ultragreen, as it has never failed me in the past.
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I use DNE as well. I'm pretty sure DNE has changed the sizing on their float stops recently and I haven't been as happy with them as I was in the past.
Hopefully things work out for you Tuesday.
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Sorry if a little OT, just wondering what's a good line for a beginner to practice casting with. Heavier, lighter or don't matter?
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Heavier is easier to untangle if you get a.rats nest ::)
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Also, heavier will spool off easier with more control though it may not drift as well.
It may also differ from baitcaster to pin.
A heavier line will give you more drag (slower) plus type of line heavier will have more memory and try to keep it's coil.
In other words 20 # test will have more coils than 15# and the initial cast may be 40 feet but the line out off your reel may be 50 feet ( hypothetical numbers but the point is: initially you'll have to strike harder to pick up that coiled slack before the impact is felt on the hook set)
Slight exaggeration in order to express my opinion.
There are other variables and after a while you'll figure it out.
There are some who will argue with me but this is my opinion.
My spare baitcaster has 20# on it for a couple reasons.
Breakage is minimized.
Detangling is quicker.
Meaning less down time for me when I take someone out who hasn't fished too much.
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I am using Chameleon as the guys at Searun told me that the Chameleon is the best line for Centerpin......
Just my $0.02, but I have used Chameleon a lot in the past and the stiffness makes it pretty forgiving for CP so I can see why the Sea-Run guys would recommend it. It's also supposedly more abrasion resistant so your experience with it breaking high on the main instead of at the weaker leader would be not typical, I would imagine. BTW, when you say you get snagged, how do you know its not your weight that's that's getting hung up and therefore your leader strength is not even a factor?
As an aside, if you want the smoothest casting and drifting line I have yet seen for CP, try Seaguar Senshi. I started using it late last year so I cant yet speak to its longevity but I think its nicer than either Chameleon or Ultra-green. Sea-Run carries it as well.
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Just my $0.02, but I have used Chameleon a lot in the past and the stiffness makes it pretty forgiving for CP so I can see why the Sea-Run guys would recommend it. It's also supposedly more abrasion resistant so your experience with it breaking high on the main instead of at the weaker leader would be not typical, I would imagine. BTW, when you say you get snagged, how do you know its not your weight that's that's getting hung up and therefore your leader strength is not even a factor?
As an aside, if you want the smoothest casting and drifting line I have yet seen for CP, try Seaguar Senshi. I started using it late last year so I cant yet speak to its longevity but I think its nicer than either Chameleon or Ultra-green. Sea-Run carries it as well.
Tested out the Seaguar Senshi today, love the stuff especially when it comes to making slower drifts as the line isn't heavy and doesn't carry as fast as a thicker line. Also noticed a slight hue or purple-ish/ blue-ish sheen coming from it when the sun is on it.
From what another friend said as he has used Senshi for over a year now on his CP, the longevity is pretty good, still using it till now and no issues with the mainline snapping.
Last year I was using Seaguar InvizX and I liked it, line felt a little stiffer than mono and heavy to boot, but usually I just dead drift and have no issues with it.
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not to highjack a topic ,does any of the line mention above get twisted.I used trilene big game 15lb,everytime i cast,somehow line just twisted,any solution?thanks.
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not to highjack a topic ,does any of the line mention above get twisted.I used trilene big game 15lb,everytime i cast,somehow line just twisted,any solution?thanks.
Try running another good quality barrel or bearing swivel under your float. I always try and prevent line twist with two swivels in my leader set up.
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will try,thanks chromeo.