Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Morty on August 16, 2009, 05:40:01 PM
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Apparently some people are choosing to ignore both DFO's request, and Ernie Crey's opinions.
x Even with so much press coverage around the world making the news VERY public that sockeye returns are low, some people are out drift netting this weekend.
x Even with a prominent First Nations leader telling the press that " the species can't afford to take any more hits this season", some people are out drift netting this weekend
x Even when there we no scheduled: Economic, Ceremonial, nor Economic openings for the Fraser River from Jesperson's to Hope for the week ending August 16 2009, some people are out drift netting this weekend
x Even when there we no scheduled: Economic, Ceremonial, nor Economic openings for the Fraser River above Douglas Island for the week ending August 23 2009, some people are out drift netting this weekend.
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There were communal openings for chinook salmon in the areas mentioned yesterday and today.
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Hoiw do you figure that Rodney?
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes_Previous.html
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I know that site well, and carefully referenced it BEFORE I made my post.
Which of those areas do you consider to be upstream of the Rosedale-Agassiz bridge ??
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Yale First Nation's opening, Agassiz to Hope and Hope to Sawmill Creek, Saturday and Sunday.
Report it if you think it is illegal.
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You're right Rodney - I missed that item when I read through the openings list.
Lesson learned.
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I erred in my posting yesterday regarding drift netting above Rosedale.
There was, as Rodney pointed out, an authorized opening at the time of the observation, and I did not read the openings list carefully enough.
I apologize if that posting lead anyone to believe that incident was a violation of government requirements.
Rick
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At least someone can admit a mistake when they make one.............very refreshing to hear! At least you are passionate about the right matters, it IS hard to watch drift nets dredging the Fraser River knowing how the salmon stocks are in desperate need of relief.
I witnessed one myself yesterday and thanks to Rodney's post, was able to confirm that it was in fact legally sanctioned by the DFO. I do find the DFO postings unclear at the best of times...........it is too bad it is not easier to read for simpletons like myself.
ernie
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A legal opening you say, oh that's alright right then. Nothing to see here folks, move along, everythings fine. Thanks for the correction Rod. I too miss-read the notice.
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I erred in my posting yesterday regarding drift netting above Rosedale.
There was, as Rodney pointed out, an authorized opening at the time of the observation, and I did not read the openings list carefully enough.
I apologize if that posting lead anyone to believe that incident was a violation of government requirements.
Rick
Drift neeting (FN) on Saturady (Aug 15) on both sides of Fraser (Seabird Island) , however due to BB's (bottom-bouncers) the FN boats couldn't drift
the pools close to the shore where majority of sockeye rest. I guess that's why DFO closed that portion of Fraser for recerational fishing, so FN
can drift the whole river there without any "obstacles". Well, a point, the guys (FN) have been drifting half-day and got probably 2-3 sockeye.
Then a group of three young men fishing from the shore (BB's) pulled out sockeye, killed the fish and kept it and soon they disapeared.
I guess one of them was a member of FN, remaining guys definitely NOT. I did not investigate lcoser - it would three of them against me (alone)
I found a LOT of gear on the shore (miles of lines), numerous barb (NOT barbless) hooks, one dead fresh sockeye , two black garbage bag full of garbage, numerous
empty pop-pcans. Do we deserve fishing ???
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How can DFO justify a native opening when the Sockeye run is in serious danger,it makes no sense to kick the sporties off a section of river then let the natives have an opening,DFO you are wrong!
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If I am reading Rodney's link correctly, it was a couple of CHINOOK openings (6 am - 6 pm this recent Saturday and Sunday)
That being said, I personally believe that incidental net wounds to Sockeye are just as influential on mortality as hook-catch-and-release is claimed to be. We have seen many comments on this site about taking care to handle fish carefully if they're going to be released. There have also been comments in the past about how scale removal can lead to body infections. It has also been claimed that warmer water tempuratures increase the likelyhood and severity of infection.
I believe that local First Nations do deserve their first and rightful share, but I do not see them practicing what I have heard them say regarding brotherhood and generosity.
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Is that what they call it a" Chinook opening " a driftnet takes no prisoners,they can call it whatever they want,that net kills everything in its path!
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If I am reading Rodney's link correctly, it was a couple of CHINOOK openings (6 am - 6 pm this recent Saturday and Sunday)
That being said, I personally believe that incidental net wounds to Sockeye are just as influential on mortality as hook-catch-and-release is claimed to be. We have seen many comments on this site about taking care to handle fish carefully if they're going to be released. There have also been comments in the past about how scale removal can lead to body infections. It has also been claimed that warmer water tempuratures increase the likelyhood and severity of infection.
I believe that local First Nations do deserve their first and rightful share, but I do not see them practicing what I have heard them say regarding brotherhood and generosity.
Unfortunately pointing this out will not be covered by the media because it is politically incorrect to be suggesting that FN may be causing more damage to the sockeye than the sports fisherman. However sport fishermen appear to be fair game, no matter their color or nationality.
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It's my understanding that when they get an opening for chinook salmon they have to use larger openings in their nets to decrease the amount of accidental by-catch of other salmon species. However, I don't see this completely solving the problem either. I also agree the DFO site needs a major overhaul, its next to impossible for people new to the sport to easily navigate at times. I have had to walk several of my friends through the site to check the regulations for where they are going to fish.
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i filmed fn drift netting the top of peg leg on sunday pulling in nets full of sockeye and keeping them and the police boat driving right by will be putting it on youtube later
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nice that says it all. You should forward it to the media...
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Call up CKNW and forward the video to them,my friend talked to them today about the poaching going on and they have said there getting alot of calls about the situation.
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Perhaps forward a copy to Mr. Crey and let him defend how his people's poaching fish is not hurting sockeyes but the sporties are. ;D
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Mr Crey calling for an outright ban on the sporties after the dustup on the Fraser.You are so predictable Mr Crey.I ask you why some of your people are selling chinooks and sockeye when these openings are for Food and Cerimonial purposes?
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Mr Crey calling for an outright ban on the sporties after the dustup on the Fraser.You are so predictable Mr Crey.I ask you why some of your people are selling chinooks and sockeye when these openings are for Food and Cerimonial purposes?
Maybe Indians are like white people. You know, even though our chief (the PM) tells us to pay taxes and not break the law - we do what we want anyways. Could it be that Indians and white people are more alike then you imagine, both have bad apples.
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes_Previous.html
Rod-- what's the difference between "communal" and "ceremonial " as per Food, Ceremonial , and Social provisions ?--Tight lines
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That being said, I personally believe that incidental net wounds to Sockeye are just as influential on mortality as hook-catch-and-release is claimed to be. We have seen many comments on this site about taking care to handle fish carefully if they're going to be released. There have also been comments in the past about how scale removal can lead to body infections. It has also been claimed that warmer water tempuratures increase the likelyhood and severity of infection.
You've hit a nail on the head here. Sockeye will show up on the redds with fungus covering one side of the head from former hook sites. Happens to many kinds of fish including springs with fungus starting from the places when they have been broken off when snagged.