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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Gooey on October 08, 2005, 05:15:25 PM
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Well being a long weekend, I decide to do a "little" hiking on a popular river and try and find some nice water away from the crowds. I was successful in that and I was pleased to bump into very few fishermen in my travels today!
I got to the spot in mind and saw a fish break water in the tail out so I decided to would hit the run with some hardware. Spinners and spoons left me empty handed so after 30 minutes I switched over to bait.
Immediately on the first drift my float starts dancing...I could envision a school of smolts decimating my gob of roe. Sure enuff those little buggers found my bait in just about every drift in the run! It was gorgeous roe so instead of wasting any more I decide to sit down and pull a bunch of eggs off the skeen and tie up some roe sacks. The sacks made a big difference in that the roe sacks were much more resistant to the smolts and I could let the float drift without worry about my bait being demolished.
The pool took a while to wake up...maybe 45 miuntes after first light I got my strike, a nice 3-4 lb chrome wild coho. After fishing some softer water and find lots of smolts and only one coho, I decided the slide my split shot closer together and fish the heavier head water.
First drift the float goes down! Its a bigger fish this time, a little bronzy flash at the bottom of the pool made me think I had a small spring on. It certainly behaved like a spring, staying deep in the pool skulking around the bottom. After about 5 minutes of this back and forth, I got it closer to the surface...hmm I thought, much to lean for a spring, wrong color and fight for a coho...what could it be? After a few more minutes I worked the fish out of the heavy head water and into the softer tail, and was I ever surprised - a nice 8lb steelhead was at the end of my line!
I worked it in and noticed that it was clipped doe so in she came. My first steelhead on the tag this year!
After that I hit another coho and a chrome jack spring.
All in all a great day on the river, now its time for a quick nap before the turkey dinner begins!
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Steelhead in October. Must be really lost............................
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Steelhead in October. Must be really lost............................
Most likely a Summer run fish.
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here's a link to a pic of the fish: http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/gooey/Posting_pic
Most definitely a summer CG.
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Maybe its an atlantic slamon they allways look different in every pic. :P
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Congrat to you on your first steelhead of the year.Unfortunately according to regulation for region 2 as long as a steelhead is caught and kept.you are done for the day,sir
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Gooey you're a big guy, so hard to estimate the size of that fish from the pic. The fish looks quite skinny from that angle, isn't it possible that it was a kelt from the last winter run?
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Looks like a spawned out summer run from the Chehalis.... maybe it thought the Vedder is the Chehalis..
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No, definitely a summer, I have some nice boraxed steelhead roe in setting as we speak.
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I think that Big T might have a good piont there Gooey!!!! :o :o
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Nice steelhead. I caught a mirror image steelhead a couple years back this time on the Chehalis. pretty rare, but great to catch.
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No, definitely a summer, I have some nice boraxed steelhead roe in setting as we speak.
Thought it was a kelt too but obviously I'm wrong if it has eggs.
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Way to go Gooey. That looks like a "kelt". Anyway - I noticed that you mentioned the following:
My first steelhead on the tag this year!
After that I hit another coho and a chrome jack spring.
After retaining a hatchery steelhead - you must stop fishing for the day. However, I believe that you can go to another river. Is that correct?
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Oops - Big T and FishFreak already provided comments...
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While I have cut a lot of people here slack (as they accuse me of breaking the rules and dont know the full story), it seems I am getting very little lee way in return and need to clarify things a litltle more.
I don't post a lot of location details in my reports, fish are out there and if you put the effort in you will find them too!But by not disclosing specific river details, I have started bit of a S**T storm. By the way, all of you Nay Sayers are absolutely wrong - I broke no regulations.
As FF stated, he would expect that I would know my regs...i do...do the rest of you know them as well as me? In this case you may, but its really more about applying them correctly to the whole story.
The reg you all refer to is this (word for word from the regs):
"when you have caught and retained your daily limit of hatchery steelhead in any water you must stop fishing that water for the day"
As an example it is totally legal to retain a steelhead on the chehalis, driver over to the vedder and continue to fish. I assume you could even RETAIN another vedder steelhead if you were lucky enough to hook another (altho I never have done such).
I hope this clarifies things for all the haters out there, I had a great day fishing and I just wanted to share some of that experience with the group here - so can every one chill!
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We should change the site name to "lynch mob with Rod"
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I'm not sure what river your fishing, but if it's the Vedder it's not uncommon to see stray summer run steelhead from the Coquihalla.
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Good one biff...like I said, i didnt state a lot of details so I didnt "freak" out when everyone started questioning me...fair due infact, they just didnt understand!
Anyone comes after me now tho and I may have a few colorful things to say at this point! ;)
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I thought a daily limit applied to the total fish caught that day, not on that body of water. If you cheat and mark your punch card for the previous day and then mark it correctly for the present day when you catch your next fish, it would appear that you have your retention limit. Retention limits are not intended to fill in one day, they're in place for people who travel somewhere and fish on consecutive days and then have to transport fish home.
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Hey Gooey - I did mention in my last post that I thought you could fish a different river after retaining a steelhead. Interesting point about retaining another steelhead from a different river on the same day. You might be right! I always assumed the daily quota was one. What I do know is that you can only retain 10 hatchery steelhead per year (which are recorded).
BTW - please understand that my post wasn't intended to offend you...
Also - thanks for posting the photo! :)
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No Problem FFM, like I said my original post lacked some specific details that made things seem a little sketchy.
Bentrod, indeed mismarking your liscence is an offence comparable to snagging or retaining a marked fish...wouldn't recommend anyone try that to sneak 2 limits into one trip. But there is nuthing illegal about take 2 steelhead from 2 differnet rivers on the same day - still under your retention/travel limit!
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You can kill two hatchery steelhead on a select few systems in British Columbia, the Stamp River is an example of one. I'm sure Gooey knows his regulations and would not do anything illegal. Tight lines.
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NICE fish. in coho season gotta love that ;D
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People, don't confuse the regs. They are clear, 1 hatchery Stealhead per day, Region 2.
That is a region specific reg, not river specific. Don't let excitement or greed get you into trouble.
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Liptugger;
The daily catch quota for Steelhead in Region 2 is 2, not one. The stream,slough,creek, or river will have it's own Regs.Most rivers for example are one steelhead/day, but as previously posted, you can go to another river and retain another hatchery Steelhead in Region 2
Another example is the Stave River. The catch quota there is two steelhead per day.
Here is the link to the information in question.
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/pdf/region_2.pdf
You may be confusing the daily catch quota for trout is 2, but only one can be over 50cm.
The Steelhead is a separate species all on it's own.
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I worked it in and noticed that it was clipped doe so in she came. My first steelhead on the tag this year!
After that I hit another coho and a chrome jack spring.
Gooey:
may I remind you of your fishing story, which I have included a copy. It is not HATE. It is the fact that you did not clearify yourself, until now. Let me remind you that there are a lot of minors who read this forum. You are putting in your story so that it will educate and inform the young ones. They should not have to read things like this. Please watch what you type in. I have nothing against you. I don't think anyone really needs to know your location. only you know what you have done and you have to live with your own quilt. I would not let my kids read this and I don't think that they should be exposed to it either. So please clarify yourself in the future instead of trying to bail yourself out after the fact with more stories. There is not hate here. We are all mature people who loves to fish and gets a really kick out of each other's stories. We try to inform each other and share some information. There are so many fishes out there that there are plenty for everyone. So don't worry be happy. HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND HAPPY FISHING.
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great to know, thanks gooey.
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Hmmm. Sorry to carry on this debate - as it's not really related to the original topic. But as I read the Lower Mainland Regional Regulations - it says 2 hatchery steelhead allowed - in brackets, under Regional Daily Catch Quotas. Also - the regulation also specifically states that When you have caught and retained your daily quota of hatchery steelhead from any water, you must stop fishing that water for the remainder of the day. If you look under the specific water - i.e. Chillwack River, it states that the hatchery steelhead daily quota is 1. This is also true for the Chehalis. But the Stave River isn't listed (I couldn't find it in the Table). So does that mean that for the Stave - the general quota of 2 hatchery steelhead applies? The above also implies that you can indeed retain a hatchery steelhead from one river - then go to another river and retain another. This would make the possession limit equal 4 fish! Interesting.
BTW - I've never retained a hatchery steelhead - and yes, I have caught them on the fly. I'm not really interested in retaining steelhead - so I guess I've never really paid attention to the retention issue. I always figured it was one per day. Hey - we may have just learned something new! Isn't that the purpose of a forum such as this? ;)
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Your posting is 100% accurate FFM.
Not that I advertise this fact but yes some rivers have a bag limit of 2 and with a daily limit of 2 in region 2 if you were on an overnighter AND dependant on the river, you could legally retain FOUR steelhead from a 2 day fishing trip (thats a little excessive in my books tho)!
So Big T...are you OK now...from your last post it seemd like you still had some issues even tho things were clear to everyone else. You are putting in your story so that it will educate and inform the young ones. They should not have to read things like this. Please watch what you type in
. (HUH?!?!) I have nothing against you...only you know what you have done and you have to live with your own quilt. ( I HAVE NONE!!!) I would not let my kids read this and I don't think that they should be exposed to it either. So please clarify yourself in the future instead of trying to bail yourself out after the fact with more stories .
Whats up with that ! :-\
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Hey, what's up Gooey:
Don't worry, be happy. I thought we were finished with this subject. There are plenty of other fishing stories on this forum that I rather take the time to read them then to send replies back and forth on a one sided story. I have better things to do like heading out to the river.
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i agree
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Hi FFM
If a fish limit is not listed or a water body is not listed in the reg book. The general quota or regulation applies.
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You are a god damn hero Gooey. You have killed 1 of the 9 summer runs that have entered that river. I know the exact rock you were standing on. I know where your drennan is lodged in the rapids at the top end of the pool. You must feel like the greatest fisherman right now eh? So much for the Summer run Steelhead in this river. I ask you people PLEASE do not keep a summer run steelhead as they are becoming more and more rare. Go for the experience not the meat. If you want meat go and snag the fraser. What a Joke!
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hey man. it was his choice. dont have to be so hard on him. I'm sure steelhead will survive with out one fish.
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Your just a "Youngin" so what do you know. His choice to keep this fish was a bad one if he is an experienced angler like he says he is. The Steelhead may survive in the river but not the Summer Run Steelhead. The government is stupid for leaving this river open for retention of the Summer Run Steelhead. This river barely has enough winters that come back.
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man dont give the guy a hard time that was a nice fish and if i woulda caught it i would have probally bonked her too. as would most of the fishermen. Wayt to go gooey ;D IM JELOUS
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Youngin, one steelhead out of there WILL make an impact.Nuff said.
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I was actually surprised Gooey did not reply to these rude remarks this morning, obviously he, as I would have, felt that there wasn't a need to explain further the reason behind the retention of a hatchery steelhead.
Kind of ironic for a 17 year old to question what a 15 year old would know, especially when the 17 year old lacks the respectful approach to express his views? Some pointers, when you have something to say, the message can be more effectively delivered by using some good manners.
I challenge you to read the exact same posting to Gooey when you two have the chance to meet in person. ;)
No? It wouldn't work? Why not? Because you understand that during a face to face interaction, rude remarks such as the ones you have posted will generate some unwelcoming responses? If that's the case, how is it different in a discussion forum? Because of the fact that you are behind a monitor and untouchable?
Practice those manners that your parents have preached on you, unless you were never taught. In that case, you know it now, respect other members of the forum.
Now, back to the steelhead retention issue. Simple, it's a hatchery steelhead, Gooey has every right to keep it as a licenced angler, and it is not your decision whether that choice was a good or not. The objective behind the production of hatchery steelhead is to enhance a harvest stock for licenced anglers, but I'm sure you already knew that.
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No problem telling him face too face at all, gotta stand up for whats right.Size isnt everything you know Rod.Only thing its good for is intimidating,Which doesnt happen too easy.And as for Bonecross knowing more than Youngin, just read there past posts, it explains right there! youngin doesnt know too much(no offence) and by saying one steelhead wont make a diference, that shows right there he doesnt know what hes talking about.Because in systems such as this, each fish DOES make a diference....What a hero..
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Last time I checked none of you guys are biologists. But maybe I'm wrong, is it possible we have Doogie Howser in our midst.
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What a hero..
Four minutes after my posting, are you even putting thoughts into the words that you are reading and typing?
This is exactly what I am talking about, please enlighten us your purpose of ending your point of view with a comment such as... "what a hero".
I assure you, by taking that comment out, people would actually paying attention to what you are trying to preach, despite of your age.
Standing up for what's right can be done in many ways. Size is not the issue here, it's about treating people with respect. You're telling me, you would not feel embarrassed by saying what you have been typing in a person's face because you know what is right? If that's the attitude you choose to have, I can guarantee that you will not make a difference in this society for the rest of your life.
Not questioning your fishing skills, in fact half of the kids probably fish better than me in this forum. But truly disappointing to see a couple of bright kids who once possess such positive attitudes to degrade themselves after being influenced by a few narrow minded individuals. You've been given a second chance to participate in this forum, make good use of it. Pass on what you have learned to those who are still learning, instead of belittling them. Remember, you were once there.
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FISHYthe"Great" the only person here trying to be a hero is you.. a) by imposing all these bad remarks on ppl b) by saying you got the cojo*es to say anything to someones face c) id love to see you approach someone with the anger and imature remarks you demonstrate right after someone catches a fish like that in your face... youd make a better point saying it in a mature and controlled manner than going nuts at someone.. not only would you make the person feel bad but youd prolly be admired for it... unlike ur seen upon by others right now due to your comment.
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Do I care if iam admired? Nope! somtimes you havto blast the words into somones head for them to understand is all.
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Admiration is not what I had in mind, mutual respect was. ::) Obviously you have made up your mind already, so I shall save my effort. :)
I think the replies from others so far are fairly consistent to the expected reactions that I hinted in my previous post.
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yeah thats the word.. .couldnt think of it lol
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What a hero..
I can guarantee that you will not make a difference in this society for the rest of your life.
Wow, now you just seem to be jumping to conclusions. That is where your wrong Rodney. I help the hatchery on this river. I know the returns of this river. Does Gooey? I'd say not if he is smacking a hatchery Summer Run Steelhead. Now what you have said here Rodney, that my friend, is one heck of a rude comment to say about someone you have never met.
To Gooey, I hope I have a face to face encounter with you on this system or any other system. All I can say is I hope you can swim ;)
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I CAN'T believe that this is still going on. I thought we are all mature people here. Gooey and I had our differences but it was settled in a private way with out a public fiasco as it is here. We ended this subject without futher ado. He had every right to retain his nice steelhead as he sees fit. He should not be critized for what he caught. We need to respect each other here if you want respect in return. We are setting a bad example for the young anglers who thinks that anger is the way to go. No one would want to post any reports if they are going to be grind to the ground. You should be able to reply your comments but in a mature and respectful matter. This is very upsetting as the world already has too much hate as it is. We all have one thing in common and that is fishing and GOOD FISHING. So, GO FISHING.
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Wow, now you just seem to be jumping to conclusions. That is where your wrong Rodney. I help the hatchery on this river. I know the returns of this river. Does Gooey? I'd say not if he is smacking a hatchery Summer Run Steelhead. Now what you have said here Rodney, that my friend, is one heck of a rude comment to say about someone you have never met.
My comments are not registering, I am not questioning your views. I am advicing you two to take a different/more respectful approach when it comes to expressing your views.
I've met FISHYtheGREAT already.
To Gooey, I hope I have a face to face encounter with you on this system or any other system. All I can say is I hope you can swim ;)
This is where I draw the line. You have been told to take a different approach, and you had the nerve to come back and use the forum as a tool to threaten one of the members? >:( You two are walking on thin ice.
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Good thing I got spiked wading shoes...
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We are setting a bad example for the young anglers who thinks that anger is the way to go.
The two individuals who choose to take this approach are teens and I am giving them the opportunity to express their views in a different way, but obviously the intention behind their posts is what I had suspected in the first place. Too bad, some just don't know second chances are hard to come by in this unforgiving world.
Thread closed, my apology to forum members for degrading the atmosphere further. :)