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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on June 09, 2012, 10:05:34 PM
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After a hiatus and on the urging of Dave "I Am Back" as, Arnold would say.
I attended Alex's talk last night at the Cheam band Office and filmed this part of 4 parts, here is part one for those who wish to view.
http://youtu.be/k1Hi8hcam7I
I had a brief chance to talk as well and spoke about this thread on Fishing with Rod and the number of people that are following her work, what a great lady. ;D
I also got some salmon are sacred stickers for Dave. ;D
More to follow.
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Welcome back Chris.... Always appreciate your information.
However, mostly we appreciate your passion for the drive to protect the wild salmon. Without folks like you and Alex, the feedlots will continue to expand and poison our coast.
Keep up the good work!
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Welcome back Chris.... Always appreciate your information.
However, mostly we appreciate your passion for the drive to protect the wild salmon. Without folks like you and Alex, the feedlots will continue to expand and poison our coast.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for kind words, it was a great evening at Cheam, will have clip 2 up shortly.
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Clip 2, 2 more to come. It's good to be back posting.;D ;D
http://youtu.be/evndxXXKcYY
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Welcome back Chris! Your fans have missed you ;D
Interesting that Ms. Morton, or MoM (Mistress of Misinformation) would choose such a militant Indian Band to speak to. I wonder if she condones what the Cheam Band is presently doing to endangered upper Fraser River chinook stocks?
Oh, hang on, it doesn't matter does it, because we all know its fish farms killing these fish ;)
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I expect that Ms. Morton has reasoned they will be easy to convince to support her thesis. It does appear that those who by their actions do have consequent effects on the stocks, commercial fishermen being the primary example, like Ms. Morton's efforts to blame the farms for the problems affecting the fish. It minimizes the attention paid to them.
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Glad your back in the saddle Chris. DAFTT (Dave Absolon Fish Tall Tails) will have to watch their P and Q's now. :)
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Dave and Absolon..... Can't believe that you're now attacking some of our first nation folks! How low will you stoop?? ??? :o
I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised as according to you boys, everybody is at fault except the feedlots. ::)
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I missed you af ;) and sadly the Cheam Band is what it is; a band lacking leadership regarding salmon harvests and long term conservation.
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Usually when someone tells me they missed me, I get a good feeling......
Unfortunately, I'm not getting that good feeling when you say it Dave. :D
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Welcome back Chris.... Always appreciate your information.
However, mostly we appreciate your passion for the drive to protect the wild salmon. Without folks like you and Alex, the feedlots will continue to expand and poison our coast.
Keep up the good work!
Sorta like whats happening in Red Deer with the oil leak AF...Pretty soon Enbridge will be poisoning our coast too, on top of the feedlots... ;)
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I expect that Ms. Morton has reasoned they will be easy to convince to support her thesis. It does appear that those who by their actions do have consequent effects on the stocks, commercial fishermen being the primary example, like Ms. Morton's efforts to blame the farms for the problems affecting the fish. It minimizes the attention paid to them.
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Nice to see you back, Chris. Hope fishing has been good to you. I didn't get a chance to see the video yet because I am too busy watching "An Evening with Yanni" on PBS at the moment. :P
Dave and Absolon..... Can't believe that you're now attacking some of our first nation folks! How low will you stoop??
Actually, if you talk to some Upper Fraser First Nation bands they might share some of those opinions.
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How low will you stoop?? ??? :o
As low as I need to so I can reach down and pat you on the head. :D
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She absolutely nails it. Thanks for this Chris. Also - don't listen to the peanut gallery and their attempts to discredit Alex.
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Clip 3 of 4.
http://youtu.be/1oOf3w56_Jw
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So basically what you antis are saying is, its ok to question certain FN practices regarding fish management, but once Morton gets involved it becomes taboo....you guys make me laugh.
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Alexandra Morton 9:45am Jun 11
This is a plea to anyone who knows why salmon farms around Campbell River are being emptied rapidly. The rumours are continuing that there is a serious disease outbreak. These are only rumours, we need facts if we are going to protect wild salmon from lethal viral spills. Now is the time to have some courage, I know the industry is powerful and frightening, but think about the future of this coast, your children if you have any, or even think about yourself. When you became a fish farmer or a deckhand on a packer you no doubt thought this industry would not hurt wild salmon. No one wants to be responsible for viruses pouring into the migration route of most of BC's wild salmon off Campbell River. You can message me on my facebook page, or email me gorbuscha@gmail.com there are dozens of you involved in this and one of could find the courage to let me know what is going on so we could ground truth this.
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"we need facts if we are going to protect wild salmon from lethal viral spills"
Most people would start with the facts before tossing around statements like this.
When did you stop beating your wife?
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Alexandra Morton 9:45am Jun 11
This is a plea to anyone who knows why salmon farms around Campbell River are being emptied rapidly. The rumours are continuing that there is a serious disease outbreak. These are only rumours, we need facts if we are going to protect wild salmon from lethal viral spills. Now is the time to have some courage, I know the industry is powerful and frightening, but think about the future of this coast, your children if you have any, or even think about yourself. When you became a fish farmer or a deckhand on a packer you no doubt thought this industry would not hurt wild salmon. No one wants to be responsible for viruses pouring into the migration route of most of BC's wild salmon off Campbell River. You can message me on my facebook page, or email me gorbuscha@gmail.com there are dozens of you involved in this and one of could find the courage to let me know what is going on so we could ground truth this.
Stop it ..... my sides are hurting.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Stop it ..... my sides are hurting.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Glad we made your evening. ;D ;D :-\
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Chris, you need to do better than that ;D C'mon we're expecting good stuff after your fishing holiday.
Here's a suggestion for Ms. M - call and ask them why the pens are "being emptied rapidly".
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Chris, you need to do better than that ;D C'mon we're expecting good stuff after your fishing holiday.
Here's a suggestion for Ms. M - call and ask them why the pens are "being emptied rapidly".
I've heard they have put in a "call block" on Ms Morton's phone number.
If one of you pro-feedlot boys know what's happening, perhaps you could do the right thing and let us know what sort of disease outbreak they are having, that requires this drastic an action....
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I've heard they have put in a "call block" on Ms Morton's phone number.
If one of you pro-feedlot boys know what's happening, perhaps you could do the right thing and let us know what sort of disease outbreak they are having, that requires this drastic an action....
Probably been infected with that nasty sockeye coho virus, IHN.
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A few steps back are in order here.
At this point, there is no indication that there is a virus or anything else untoward going on with the exception of Morton's attempt to crank up the rumor mill and get all her special friends palpitating. No doubt it helps with the fundraising but it is dishonest and manipulative marketing at it's worst; a sign of how desperate this woman is becoming.
Chris, I was hoping you'd return with something of your own to say. I expected better from you.
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A few steps back are in order here.
At this point, there is no indication that there is a virus or anything else untoward going on with the exception of Morton's attempt to crank up the rumor mill and get all her special friends palpitating. No doubt it helps with the fundraising but it is dishonest and manipulative marketing at it's worst; a sign of how desperate this woman is becoming.
Chris, I was hoping you'd return with something of your own to say. I expected better from you.
Video's doing the talking for now, one more to go. ;D ;D ;D
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If a video plays in a forest does anybody hear?
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Alexandra Morton 9:45am Jun 11
This is a plea to anyone who knows why salmon farms around Campbell River are being emptied rapidly. The rumours are continuing that there is a serious disease outbreak. These are only rumours, we need facts if we are going to protect wild salmon from lethal viral spills. Now is the time to have some courage, I know the industry is powerful and frightening, but think about the future of this coast, your children if you have any, or even think about yourself. When you became a fish farmer or a deckhand on a packer you no doubt thought this industry would not hurt wild salmon. No one wants to be responsible for viruses pouring into the migration route of most of BC's wild salmon off Campbell River. You can message me on my facebook page, or email me gorbuscha@gmail.com there are dozens of you involved in this and one of could find the courage to let me know what is going on so we could ground truth this.
First thing I would do is actually ask the company why they are being emptied.....but of course that would be too easy. It is much better to speculate and let everyone know what the rumours are first. It could be related to what the supply of farmed salmon in the global markets and the price....but again...it is better to scare people first with "lethal viral spills" then try to find out why. I guess I could ask a company like Marine Harvest and do the work for Ms Morton, but seeing as though she has much more experience dealing with these powerful and frightening people I think she should cancel some media events and safe meetings with FN leaders and try asking herself.
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Clip 4, enjoy, sorry for the delay in getting it online for you.;D ;D http://youtu.be/6uNU2uDr8xE
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Don is back too. ;D ;D
http://donstaniford.typepad.com/my-blog/2012/06/something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-norway-.html
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Cheam Band is what it is; a band lacking leadership regarding salmon harvests and long term conservation.
I have been away for awhile, as soon as I watched the clip my thoughts were the same as Dave's. Chris was Ms Morton there to get support from the Cheam Band or to educate them?
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Bill in all seriousness, this is a fight that can only be waged through free media. It takes a lot of money to make the public aware of an issue and unlike the feedlots and the government, Ms Morton has little. Using the FN to help promote an awareness of the dangers these feedlots hold for our oceans is brilliant. The FN will make noise about it and the media tends to pick up stories like that.
Now if you are like the pro feedlot fellows on this thread that either don't believe the feedlots are harming our wild salmon, or are in the unfortunate position of having to support their families by working in the feedlot business, then you will also likely criticize Ms Morton for using the FN group in this way.
I personally think she is doing a great job of turning up the heat on the feedlots and the government. Without her heroic efforts the feedlots would be a greater threat than it appears they already are.
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Cheam Band is what it is; a band lacking leadership regarding salmon harvests and long term conservation.
I have been away for awhile, as soon as I watched the clip my thoughts were the same as Dave's. Chris was Ms Morton there to get support from the Cheam Band or to educate them?
I would say both Bill and also some sampling took place the next day during the first F/N opening for chinook's for 1012 other than some ceremonial fisheries that took place in the Lower Frasere River.
As we all know this whole scenario be it fishery related or like Bill 38 are very complex. I certainly donot know the answers to all of this but one can only do what one believes in. Even with all the short coming we seem to be in lately we still live in the best country in the world. One only has to look to the strife in many other countries to acknowledge that fact but we still have to stand up and express our views, that's what democracy is all about.
I, like many others here, disagree at times on many subjects and what is posted but I respect all. As I say many times life is too short to do otherwise.
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http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/06/ashfield-the-monster-of-fisheries.html
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Great shot of my buddy Simon :D But hold on here ... aren't those sea lice on that chinook? That can't be good can it?
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http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/science/Genetically-Engineered-Salmon-Running-Wild.html?page=all
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/wild-migrating-salmon-likely-infected-their-farmed-cousins-in-bc-say-experts-158406415.html
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CTV report from May 22.
http://youtu.be/fBwmsa3gK88
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As we all know this whole scenario be it fishery related or like Bill 38 are very complex. I certainly donot know the answers to all of this but one can only do what one believes in. Even with all the short coming we seem to be in lately we still live in the best country in the world. One only has to look to the strife in many other countries to acknowledge that fact but we still have to stand up and express our views, that's what democracy is all about.
I, like many others here, disagree at times on many subjects and what is posted but I respect all. As I say many times life is too short to do otherwise.
That was a pretty decent post, sir. Anyone that is a friend of Dave can't be that bad.
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I am not sure if this is related to what Ms Morton is talking about, but I noticed that a person on another forum questioned why Marine Harvest Canada had recently fallowed 20 farms on the east side of Vancouver Island. He refused to ask MHC the question – basically siding with his own beliefs that something devious was happening. I was curious to find out for myself, so I decided to take the initiative and ask. I received this response yesterday.
Thank you for your email. Although Marine Harvest Canada (MHC) owns 70+ leases, it usually uses about 42 of the most optimal sites (the remainder are older sites not suitable based on today’s production expectations and strict regulatory criteria). Of those 42 sites, about 30-35 are typically in ‘use’ at any one time (the remaining laying fallow between cycles).
However, in October 2011, MHC reported that production would be decreased as well over 2012 and 2013 in response to global increase in supply. According to industry analyst Kontali, the global supply of farmed Atlantic salmon has increased 18% during the third quarter of 2011. The company expects the increased global supply levels to continue into 2012 and in response the company has decreased stocking levels by about 30% in 2012 and 2013. The end result is about 7 less sites being stocked right now. These 7 sites plus regular fallowing is perhaps what has raised this question. The October 2011 news release by MHC about reduced production is posted here: http://www.marineharvestcanada.com/news102811.php.
Marine Harvest currently has 27 operating sites.
We don’t have an account for the discussion board you linked us to – if you know of any way to add that information to the discussion, that would be most appreciated. Alternatively, feel free to post a similar question on our Facebook site – we can answer your question there for others to see.
BC Salmon Facts
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Thanks for the sluething SS. Who would have thought all Ms. M had to do was call .... no doubt Charlie from that other site already know this and that is why he is strangely silent.
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Chris, would you mind sharing where you lifted that Morton quote about the CR farms being emptied from?
Anyone else know?
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CTV report from May 22.
http://youtu.be/fBwmsa3gK88
Yup take the T out of Morton.... ;D ;D ;D
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Chris, would you mind sharing where you lifted that Morton quote about the CR farms being emptied from?
Anyone else know?
Sorry where is that, very busy the next few days with the protest of Billl C- 38 this evening and the FVSS meeting tonight as well for the derby this weekend. Then off to the Island, where does the time go? :-\
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I'm not surprised.
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Chris, you talk transparency, all should be revealed, that's why we're in this mess, etc. ... so, what's up? why not reveal the source of your post ? How bad could that be?
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Chris, you talk transparency, all should be revealed, that's why we're in this mess, etc. ... so, what's up? why not reveal the source of your post ? How bad could that be?
Chris, would you mind sharing where you lifted that Morton quote about the CR farms being emptied from?
Anyone else know?
You boys are hilarious..... like a pair of beagles looking for a bone. ;D ;D
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AF, you need a new outlook on life. Here's a good one:
http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/ (http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/)
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AF, you need a new outlook on life. Here's a good one:
http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/ (http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/)
Awesome..... ;D
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You boys are hilarious..... like a pair of beagles looking for a bone. ;D ;D
Are they not barking up the wrong tree. ;D ;D ;D
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Are they not barking up the wrong tree. ;D ;D ;D
It looks like they've put out an album...... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/alwaysfishn/the-beagles.jpg)
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Are they not barking up the wrong tree. ;D ;D ;D
It would appear that we are Chris.
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It looks like they've put out an album...... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/alwaysfishn/the-beagles.jpg)
Whoooosh......Right over your head..........again.............
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Whoooosh......Right over your head..........again.............
Your response prompted the following search...... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_beagle_whine_and_whimper_all_the_time (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_beagle_whine_and_whimper_all_the_time)
Thank goodness for wiki! ;D
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It looks like they've put out an album...... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/alwaysfishn/the-beagles.jpg)
Love the Beagles! af, one song kinda makes me think of you, respectfully of course … ‘Fool on the Hill’
Perhaps Ms. M’s favourite might be ‘Norwegian Wood’, and with the unfolding of recent events and lab anaysis bills mounting, followed closely by ‘Help!’
;D
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Love the Beagles! af, one song kinda makes me think of you, respectfully of course … ‘Fool on the Hill’
Warms my heart to know that you are thinking of me...... :D
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Yup take the T out of Morton.... ;D ;D ;D
Great contribution to the dialogue.
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Great contribution to the dialogue.
Anything to help, my pleasure.
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http://www.coastreporter.net/article/20120615/SECHELT0101/306159975/-1/sechelt/animal-health-act-in-limbo
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I wonder if Alexandra Morton wakes up at night and says to herself, damn I blew another one. I also have to wonder how her supporters feel about this when it's becoming increasingly difficult to remember when she actually got something right.
She still needs about $75,000.00 for sample analysis that will reveal little if anything new to west coast salmon disease issues; can't see this latest fail helping that cause.
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I think shes hit 12 of her 15 minutes.
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I wonder if Alexandra Morton wakes up at night and says to herself, damn I blew another one.
I doubt there is ever even a light self inflicted palm in the forehead slap that even suggests and error on her behalf. Nope, just in to the next item she can twist and torque to mislead the public. She obviously is not looking back either for she consistently makes the same errors over and over again.
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http://grist.org/food/sea-sick-another-virus-crashes-canadas-salmon-farms/
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Well they got one thing right yet it is missing some accurate details.
researcher-turned-activist Alexandra Morton
I strongly agree that morton dropped her researching methods to act solely as an activist.
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I don't think we will have to worry about fish farms in BC for much longer.
With the Chilean farms building back up after their devastating loses a few years ago, you can't possibly compete with them in the world market.
Their production costs must be less than half of the costs in BC.
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I don't think we will have to worry about fish farms in BC for much longer.
With the Chilean farms building back up after their devastating loses a few years ago, you can't possibly compete with them in the world market.
Their production costs must be less than half of the costs in BC.
And then some people have no clue... :D
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You should talk - you're an embarrassment to your side of the argument.
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I don't think we will have to worry about fish farms in BC for much longer.
With the Chilean farms building back up after their devastating loses a few years ago, you can't possibly compete with them in the world market.
Their production costs must be less than half of the costs in BC.
You may be correct. Just posted by Alex 4 minutes ago "Hey Marine Harvest, drove past your hatchery in Sayward today and your sign is gone! Are the rumors on the coast true that you are running away from BC"?
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If they can't pass CFI tests, they can't sell those dirty fish in Canada then. Dave's going to go into withdrawl. ;) Try the Basa Dave if it happens. :)
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If they can't pass CFI tests, they can't sell those dirty fish in Canada then. Dave's going to go into withdrawl. ;) Try the Basa Dave if it happens. :)
I like catfish! tilapia and farmed Atlantics too ;D.
Wow, breaking news from Ms. Morton. thanks Chris, who would of thought??
Keep dreaming I suppose, but salmon farming is here to stay and will expand in BC. Start fighting for important issues before its too late.
Sorry, going somewhere dry with the MH, won't be around for a week or so to argue my point.
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You should talk - you're an embarrassment to your side of the argument.
Thats not possible Im not backing Morton at all.
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I have given up talking to DFO or the Province of BC. Below is a letter I sent this morning.
Dear Chief Rupert Wilson and Chief Rod Allan:
I am writing to report that farm fish in your territories have tested positive for European viruses known to the salmon farming industry in Norway and elsewhere that these Norwegian companies operate. They are not known to be natural to British Columbia.
Chief Wilson on June 3, 2012, an eagle picked up a dead Atlantic salmon from a mort tote sitting on the Shelter Pass salmon farm owned by Marine Harvest. It took the salmon to a nearby island where we were able to take a small sample from the fish. This fish has tested positive for the piscine reovirus, which scientists believe causes Heart and Skeletal Muscle Inflammation. It is known to cause heart failure in salmon, it turns their hearts to soft mush. It is unknown if a salmon can swim up a river with this in her heart. This diagnosis was done in Norway at the University of Bergen. I have described and posted photographs of the extraordinary circumstances that provided this sample to us: http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/06/dear-marine-harvest-shareholders-1.html
Chief Rod Allan on March 25, 2012, we bought farmed steelhead from the Fairway market in Victoria on Quadra Street. I have received positive test results for Salmon Alphavirus from these fish. Norway is having a great deal of problems with this virus, forcing Marine Harvest to cull an entire farm right now due to this. The market told us that they bought these fish from the Lois Lake steelhead farm in your territory. West Coast Fish Culture reports they do rear Atlantic salmon in their hatchery from egg to the saltwater phase. I know they received 1,000,000 eggs in 2007 and raised them for one of the Atlantic salmon farming companies in BC. I don't know more than this. This is the first report of this virus in British Columbia, there is one other report of the disease it causes - Pancreas Disease - in Atlantic salmon in BC (Dr. Michael Kent ,ex-DFO in 1987). I have posted details here: http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/06/first-detection-of-salmon-alphavirus-in-bc-farmed-steelhead-1.html
Government and industry are going to tell you these tests are wrong. Industry swore under oath at the Cohen Inquiry into the Fraser sockeye that no exotic disease have entered BC in Atlantic salmon. I don't believe this to be true. I am using labs that are internationally recognized, have published extensively on salmon diseases and are bravely continuing this work in the face of assault on their careers for this and related work.
I am at your service to answer any questions or to discuss the next steps. I feel an enormous sense of tragedy that no one in government or elsewhere has reported these European viruses. I continue to find ISA virus - the salmon flu, but await more complete results.
Wild salmon deal with disease by dying. That is their first line of defence against epidemics, the death of the individual preserves their race. Farm salmon are simply replaced, they die, they are replaced by more, thus diseases have the opportunity to reproduce, mutate and spill by the trillions into surrounding waters, an unprecedented bio-hazard. Your fish have never faced this before salmon farming. Most of the Fraser sockeye are passing Shelter Pass as I write this. I don't think Shelter Pass is exceptional, it is simply the one place an eagle provided us with a sample.
Respectfully and at your service,
Alexandra Morton, Gwayum'dzi
Anissa Reed
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Chris,
Could you please post the lab reports from those findings? Or is it to early for Mr.Morton is still spreading her interpretations of the reports.
Looks like the pristine lois lake farm, approved by ocean wise and the david sizuki foundation, is getting clumped in with all the others. Its ironic that morton attacks them just after the release of an organic certification for farmed salmon.
Seems she has re-appeared:http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?20117-New-Atlantic-virus-in-steelhead (http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?20117-New-Atlantic-virus-in-steelhead)
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Chris,
Could you please post the lab reports from those findings? Or is it to early for Mr.Morton is still spreading her interpretations of the reports.
Looks like the pristine lois lake farm, approved by ocean wise and the david sizuki foundation, is getting clumped in with all the others. Its ironic that morton attacks them just after the release of an organic certification for farmed salmon.
Seems she has re-appeared:http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?20117-New-Atlantic-virus-in-steelhead (http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?20117-New-Atlantic-virus-in-steelhead)
Will when I see them. You should wade in on the link you provide here and ask Alex the questions you keep asking here, here is your chance. ;D ;D The others here will also get involved on this forum I am sure. :-\ :-\ ;D
We will be watching and follow that thread.
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Chris, I wonder why Ms. Morton doesn't address this site? Surely she knows you will back her play ... I for one would love to debate her "science." ::)
I think I have worn out my welcome on the forum aquapaloosa mentions but believe even they, the ones that would kill the last chinook or coho because it's their right as sportsfishermen are tiring of her constant appeals for money.
Call her - ask her to post that data. What can she lose if it's real? And, what can she lose if it's another bogus media event ;D
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Chris, I wonder why Ms. Morton doesn't address this site? Surely she knows you will back her play ... I for one would love to debate her "science." ::)
I think I have worn out my welcome on the forum aquapaloosa mentions but believe even they, the ones that would kill the last chinook or coho because it's their right as sportsfishermen are tiring of her constant appeals for money.
Call her - ask her to post that data. What can she lose if it's real? And, what can she lose if it's another bogus media event ;D
I would think she can accomplish a lot more doing what she is doing, as opposed to coming on here and having to read your heckling......
As far as asking for money, you must be aware that she doesn't have the deep corporate pockets that the Norwegian companies have. ???
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I think Mrs. morton is loaded!$$$$$ If not her mommy sure is. BILLIONAIRE!!!!
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I would think she can accomplish a lot more doing what she is doing, as opposed to coming on here and having to read your heckling......
As far as asking for money, you must be aware that she doesn't have the deep corporate pockets that the Norwegian companies have. ???
Heckling? just asking for facts, af.
And just what is she accomplishing, other than losing even more credibility with almost every missive?
I suggest she is afraid to post on FWR. Her science is rubbish and folks here would blow her away.
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Heckling? just asking for facts, af.
And just what is she accomplishing, other than losing even more credibility with almost every missive?
I suggest she is afraid to post on FWR. Her science is rubbish and folks here would blow her away.
I don't believe that 4 people disagreeing with her could be considered "losing even more credibility". ;D
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Good on ya Sobeys! Looking out for the over-fished wild stocks!!
http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/111918-greenpeace-scolds-sobeys-over-seafood-sales (http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/111918-greenpeace-scolds-sobeys-over-seafood-sales)
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Good on ya Sobeys! Looking out for the over-fished wild stocks!!
http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/111918-greenpeace-scolds-sobeys-over-seafood-sales (http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/111918-greenpeace-scolds-sobeys-over-seafood-sales)
Funny..... What I thought when I read that, is how progressive the Overwaitea group is in not selling the feedlot product.
I also have to remind you that management of the wild stocks is the responsibility of DFO, the food chains have no input whatsoever.
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I also have to remind you that management of the wild stocks is the responsibility of DFO, the food chains have no input whatsoever.
Insisting to sell wild salmon only isn't helping.
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You also need to give the Overwaitea group credit for caring about the health of their customers. They have made a conscious decision to not sell them PCB tainted, antibiotic laden, diseased product.....
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And YOU, AF forget to follow your post with IMO. As per usual your post is fear mongering. While your statement has been refuted many many times in other discussions you continue to present it as fact while it is only your opinion.
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Eat salmon and trout- farmed or wild- it’s good for you
Canada: US professor confirms what food authorities everywhere are saying- pregnant women should eat such fish regularly
FishfarmingXpert, Odd Grydeland, June 27, 2012
http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95238 (http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95238)
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Totally unbiased expert you have there:
http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Charles_Santerre
Charles Santerre - Spinning science for industry
Santerre was taken on on 1 January 2004 specifically to combat the publicity on farmed Salmon
There was no reference in these reports to the fact that Santerre was being paid as a consultant by Salmon of the Americas.
Wonderful organization: http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Salmon_of_the_Americas
The source, Powerbase is not an anti-fish farm organization, it is an anti-media spin organization.
Hites found the average PCB level in farmed salmon to be 37 parts per billion (ppb), and the average PCB level in wild salmon to be 4 ppb
Ronald A. Hites et al., “Global Assessment of Organic Contaminants in Farmed Salmon,” Science 303, no. 5655 (January 9, 2004): 226-229.
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Totally unbiased expert you have there:
You must be kidding me.
Lets start here:
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/did-david-suzuki-prevaricate-about-pcbs-in-farmed-salmon.html (http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/did-david-suzuki-prevaricate-about-pcbs-in-farmed-salmon.html)
(Insert here): Vivian is a x-fishfarmer so those facts must not be true.
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Hites et al 2004 is likely one of the worst, severely slanted reports on farmed or wild salmon I have ever read. It did more of disservice to public health. Statistically you would be at a much higher risk of coronary heart disease by not eating farmed (or wild salmon) than by PCB-related cancers from farmed salmon. The risks are not even comparable. It's no wonder why Suzuki conveniently does not talk about this much any more because it is garbage. PCBs are lipophilic meaning that they like to bind to fats, so if people are really concerned about PCBs in farmed salmon then they should be equally concerned about the beef, chicken and pork they purchase.
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You must be kidding me.
Lets start here:
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/did-david-suzuki-prevaricate-about-pcbs-in-farmed-salmon.html (http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/did-david-suzuki-prevaricate-about-pcbs-in-farmed-salmon.html)
(Insert here): Vivian is a x-fishfarmer so those facts must not be true.
This should be required reading for anyone who wants to learn about salmon farming in BC and why some folks want it gone.
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Alexandra Morton
Marine Harvest Communications Director quits - following my blog on the deplorable state of the company and the growing scandal of the viral cover-up in BC. I remember Jorgen enthusiastically showing Damien, myself, Don and others the door at the Marine Harvest office in Oslo. Good move Mr Christiansen - how were you going deal with the onslaught of evidence of exotic viruses when your counterpart in BC, Marine Harvest's Clare Backman testified UNDER OATH that no exotic viruses have entered BC in farm salmon... Backman painted Marine Harvest into a corner on that one, run Jorgen run. Smart man.
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Chris, I wonder why Ms. Morton doesn't address this site? Surely she knows you will back her play ... I for one would love to debate her "science." ::)
I think I have worn out my welcome on the forum aquapaloosa mentions but believe even they, the ones that would kill the last chinook or coho because it's their right as sportsfishermen are tiring of her constant appeals for money.
Call her - ask her to post that data. What can she lose if it's real? And, what can she lose if it's another bogus media event ;D
I see you are still in here. http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?20117-New-Atlantic-virus-in-steelhead ;D ;D
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Eat salmon and trout- farmed or wild- it’s good for you
Canada: US professor confirms what food authorities everywhere are saying- pregnant women should eat such fish regularly
FishfarmingXpert, Odd Grydeland, June 27, 2012
http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95238 (http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95238)
Glad I take time away from the discussion here to do some fishing, rainbow a few days ago and Kokanee for supper tonight, not the liquid type either.;D ;D
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http://www.caseinlet.org/uploads/NOAATestimony--Dr_LNFrazer_1_-April_2010_1_.pdf
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Glad I take time away from the discussion here to do some fishing, rainbow a few days ago and Kokanee for supper tonight, not the liquid type either.;D ;D
Well at least you are able to identify your catch....Dr. Morton on the other hand could use a few pointers from you. ;D
Looking forward to seeing those recent lab results also.
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Well at least you are able to identify your catch....Dr. Morton on the other hand could use a few pointers from you. ;D
Looking forward to seeing those recent lab results also.
Beak. ;D ;D ;D
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Alexandra Morton
Marine Harvest Communications Director quits - following my blog on the deplorable state of the company and the growing scandal of the viral cover-up in BC. I remember Jorgen enthusiastically showing Damien, myself, Don and others the door at the Marine Harvest office in Oslo. Good move Mr Christiansen - how were you going deal with the onslaught of evidence of exotic viruses when your counterpart in BC, Marine Harvest's Clare Backman testified UNDER OATH that no exotic viruses have entered BC in farm salmon... Backman painted Marine Harvest into a corner on that one, run Jorgen run. Smart man.
I just about missed this gem..lol. I thought I would do you a favour by finding the actual press releases; however, I realize that it sounds much better if it appears that Mr. Jorgen Kristian Andersen quit due to another stinging blog post from Ms Morton. If she is going to attack someone she might want to get the individual's name and position title correct next time. It seems like Mr. Kristian Andersen is a CFO (Chief Financial Officer). I am pretty sure I have the right individual. Did Ms Morton have too much dandilion wine? Not a steller week for her.
http://www.marineharvest.com/en/investor1/Press-releases/2012/Change-of-CFO-in-Marine-Harvest/
http://www.seafoodsource.com/newsarticledetail.aspx?id=16489
Edit: After a little more searching it seems that Jorgen Christiansen appears to still be the Communications Director. In the press release, the only change lately was the CFO (Mr. Jorgen Kristian Andersen).
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/07/06/nl-706-salmon-virus-confirmed.html