Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: greybark on March 13, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
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The Vedder Canal now provides an aspect of Steelheading which few fishers approve of . The number of anglers congested on the few holding strips of water is really a zoo with no concept of a "quality" steelhead fishery . I watched Steelheaders "sight fish" the lower wider and shallower sections . They would stand to-gether on the bank and when sighting the distintive wake of a steelhead they ran out into the river and casting in front of the fish .
::) Perhapes this section should be out of bounds or maybe restricted to Seniors and Disabled Steelheaders.
I have on my Kevlilar Waders on for this one .
Cheers
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Sight fishing the way that I've seen it done in the canal for the last month or so is quite interesting. Basically this group of anglers (seems to be the same guys every day) are fishing water that is around a foot deep, they are using dink floats, some lead right up to the float, and an 8 to 10" leader with gob of roe. They are targeting moving fish and actually hook a fair number of them. It looks boring as hell because they may only make a couple casts in a few hours, but I see it as just another way to fish that has a different element of excitement. What if every cast you made was to a fresh, untouched fish? Some like to swing 6" pink worms through fast pocket water with 1.5 feet of vis and others like to cast to a "v" moving through 1.5 feet of gin clear water. I don't see anything wrong with it
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I fished the KWB for steelhead for the first time on Friday after work and all seemed fine, the guys knew what they were doing and were for the most part pleasent. Theres always the odd ball that you shake your head at.
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Don't see a problem with it either . If you don't like it then just go somewhere else. If it was a hoard of guys bottom bouncing a pool of trapped fish that's one thing . But for the most part , I have not seen that happening . Mostly guys just fishing pools like anywhere else on the river. Few have the talent descibed above . With the resrticitve logic , why not whenever there is an area that gets productive and attracts more people , ::) why not just shut it down ?
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::) Perhapes this section should be out of bounds or maybe restricted to Seniors and Disabled Steelheaders.
I think this is a great idea! ...... restrict the area to anyone 56 years or older! .. and anyone in a wheelchair.. ;D ;D
I bet those kevalar waders are really durable, eh Greybark??
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since when sight fishing is a sin??
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Greybark
We tried to get the "LIMITS HOLE" closed due to unethical fishing practices and you would have thought we were asking to close the whole river.
I can just imagine the outcry if they tried to close the canal.
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i guess i might as well get rid of my salt water fish finder as well, because as well as spotting the feed balls on top of the water, it g
ives me an extra edge if they try and hide under water. take a drink of water, a deep breath and walk slow greybark.
bottom line, if the fish bites, all is good ;D
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Any bites yet Greybark??? thought I saw as rise ...
There was 7 pages of this same discussion recently on another site - wonder how far this one will go? Looking forward to it.
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I think that they should reclaim some of the farm land down there and widen the dyke bank wich would make the river meander back and forth like a natural river and helping with flood protection at the same time.mabey money from our steelhead tags could pay for that.What do you say pacific salmon foundation?
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What do you say pacific salmon foundation?
Pacific Salmon Foundation has nothing to do with the freshwater steelhead conservation surcharge
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guys have been doing this for years its nothing new. the water depth is usually about 18'' deep
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To ensure that Greybark's concerns are addressed and that he is getting the value of his annual freshwater angling licence fee of $5, I will make the following recommendations at the next sportfishing advisory committee meeting in a couple of weeks from now. The canal shall remain open for all anglers, how ever all anglers under the age of 65 shall be blind folded while angle for steelhead so they cannot sight fish.
Regarding his previous concern:
::) How many of you Steelheaders allow your float to drift beyond the fisher below you ?
I will recommend for a main line restriction. All anglers should only have 50ft of main line spooled so the above problem could be resolved. One may ask, what if the fish runs? Well, that's fishing.
I hope these proposed changes will result in more satisfied outings.
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Or restrict the canal to fishers who are legally blind. ;D
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The canal shall remain open for all anglers, how ever all anglers under the age of 65 shall be blind folded while angle for steelhead so they cannot sight fish.
now thats just plain silly Rod :-\
Lets make it fair, how about they just have to close there eyes when they cast :D
All anglers should only have 50ft of main line spooled so the above problem could be resolved. One may ask, what if the fish runs? Well, that's fishing.
If fishing the canal it would have to be no more than 20ft to keep away from the guys on your right or left shoulder :D
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The canal shall remain open for all anglers, how ever all anglers under the age of 65 shall be blind folded while angle for steelhead so they cannot sight fish.
Regarding his previous concern:
I will recommend for a main line restriction. All anglers should only have 50ft of main line spooled so the above problem could be resolved. One may ask, what if the fish runs? Well, that's fishing.
I hope these proposed changes will result in more satisfied outings.
Or restrict the canal to fishers who are legally blind. ;D
Also restrict the canal to fly fishing only with floating line and dry flies :P
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Also restrict the canal to fly fishing only with floating line and dry flies :P
Although meant in jest it might not be a bad idea after all.
Back east there are salmon rivers with floating line only regulations, this would surely cut down on the amount of dredgers in the canal area.
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......... this would surely cut down on the amount of dredgers in the canal area.
I'm not sure what you mean by "dredgers" ......
If you mean fishermen with long leaders, I think you would be surprised that there are not many of those. Most people seem to be short float fishing. The main reason I think is the fish are aggressive, the water runs slow and shallow and the bottom of the canal is littered with snags....
I like Rod's ideas... :D
It would be good to hear from greybark to see if he's satisfied with the ideas. I'd hate to see him having to keep wearing those kevilar waders for the rest of the season...... they can't be all that comfortable. ;D
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;D Perhapes the only restriction should be - all have to use the famous "Propiel Pocket Fisherman" and waders designed by golfer John Daley :o not recommended is golfer Ian Poulter`s panache for pink !!!!
;D A handicap system similar to Golf would be - The Fishers mainline should equate with their age . 21 years of age use a 21 ft line and a 71year elder would be restricted to a 71 ft .(71 seemed like a good choice)
OK I go golfing now !!!!!
Cheers
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-lets work on enhanced fishing opportunities which would allow people a choice of good catching spots.
-i don't see the point of fishing with a book full of rules to prevent...legal catching of fish.
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;D Perhapes the only restriction should be - all have to use the famous "Propiel Pocket Fisherman"
http://www.popeilfamilystore.com/ppf.html (http://www.popeilfamilystore.com/ppf.html)
Popeil Pocket Fisherman Spin Casting Outfit Makes Fishing Easy.
This is the famous Popeil Pocket Fisherman that has thrilled generations! The double-flex rod is hinged into the closed position when stored away. When ready to use, simply unfold until it snaps into the fully extended position. Also features an automatic anti-reverse that prevents the handle from turning backwards. The handle of the Popeil Pocket Fisherman is also a mini tackle box containing hook, line, sinker, and bobber. The Pocket Fisherman is always ready for the fish to strike! A perfect gift for any fisherman … young and old alike!
# Product Features: Convenient design
# Fits into your glove compartment
# Attaches to your belt
# Handle doubles as mini tackle box
# Reel is replaceable with reel cartridge
# Full-time authority
That would work great in the close quarters under the KWB!!! It would probably increase the capacity of that spot to at least 100 fishermen! ;D
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Here's another suggestion , ban fly fishing from the canal as we all know fly fishermen are the biggest flossers around . And because they also like to walk way out in the middle of runs thus disturbing fish in their natural habitat .
Another suggestion , those overly concerned about such issues voluntarily refrain from fishing in the interest of not harassing fish . ;D
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how about banning any other fishing method that I dont do at this time, or closing some section of river to suit my needs....this is all that seems to come up latley..
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how about banning any other fishing method that I dont do at this time, or closing some section of river to suit my needs....this is all that seems to come up latley..
But that's such a popular concept ,just ban my competition , would make fore much more enjoyable outings for me would it not ? And ban all those who fish downstream from me , that way more fish are bound to come my way .
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Simple solution - dredge the whole canal 20' deep right to the mouth.
But this would not make Chris happy .
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how about banning any other fishing method that I dont do at this time, or closing some section of river to suit my needs....this is all that seems to come up latley..
basically, seems like most rods catch the majority of their fish in certain conditions. For myself I love it when the river is low simply because that is when I have caught the majority of steelhead in my brief career. Others have caught their majority when the water is up, these are the guys that are always saying "pray for rain" as if the fish simply do not move into the river during low conditions. I have seen steelhead this year moving through the canal on bright sunny days with dorsal fins showing! The good rods out there truly know how to hook up in all conditions. They know when to grow some roots in the canal and fish the tide, as well as where to fish during high water conditions, and so on.
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Right we are fighting hard just to allow a catch and release salmon fishery on the Fraser from May 1 to July 15, why? because someone suggested we close it. Be careful what you suggest, you might just get it.
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With salmon returns in such low numbers, I don't see a problem with a complete closure on the Fraser for April to mid June. Why allow catch and release?
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If I saw a fish rise I'd cast to it.
If I saw a fish behind a rock I'd cast to it.
If I saw V's I'd cast ahead of it.
BUT, I wouldn't wait around for it to happen.
Some people sight fish and ya, it's kinda of annoying at times but the areas they do this are standard.
PS. I've only ever observed the KW and Canal and that's enough for me.
There's to much river to fish without dwelling on the foregone.
Fenceposters:
some fenceposters do it 'cuz they've had luck there (the spot) before, It regularily produces for them.
others fish there with a salmon mentality; the fish will come.
and still others fish there 'cuz well, others are there.
The unintentional fenceposters are eager and bought a rod and reel they haven't yet mastered (cleaning up birdnests).
brought too much gear and have to try everything before they move on.
Try to fish every inch of the grid before they move down stream.
These unintentional fenceposters look like actual fenceposters due to thier intense effort at doing things properly.
Experienced fishers will cover a run in less than half the time a newbie will.
A fencepost isn't always doing it on purpose.
If you see someone struggling give them a bit of guidance, They'll be faster next year
PS KW and canal FF only, but that comes in a month or so anyways.
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With salmon returns in such low numbers, I don't see a problem with a complete closure on the Fraser for April to mid June. Why allow catch and release?
Ok, lets close it, then I guess the Vedder should be closed from Dec to April because of the small run of Springs in the system, don't won't to catch and release those either. Funny how if it suits a certain individual they think it is a good idea. But when they close down snagging season in Aug these idividuals wine and complain it is their right to fish since they buy a license..
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Roeman,I see your point in the first sentence, but I hope youre not implying that I am one to complain when they shut down the Fraser during August.
Fish or cut bait, very well said. 8)
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Mattyo.. Don't know you, so it was not directed at you, general statement only..
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Cool man! Anyways I gotta agree with you on that statement :o. I just don't see why they would leave springs open for c and r. We know that the bottom bouncers would be having a hayday. And as we all know that method of fishing snags more fish than any other method. To me that equals more dead fish from being'caught and released 'anyway ill stop the high jack on the thread. Tight lines!
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'anyway ill stop the high jack on the thread. Tight lines!
The best way to do that is to go back and edit your posts.......... ??? ???