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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2071 on: January 11, 2016, 07:53:04 PM »

Keep pounding the table Chris. :)
http://www.alaskasalmonranching.com/fish-virus-deja-vu-the-hunt-for-isav/
You bet and thanks for the link, now we may know some of the names of the posters on this thread and who they work for.. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2072 on: January 11, 2016, 08:33:55 PM »

You bet and thanks for the link, now we may know some of the names of the posters on this thread and who they work for.. ;D ;D ;D
You can start off by telling us what Doc Morton has got right and who she works for, along with an answer to when has Atlantic salmon farming in Washington or BC harmed wild salmon?   

Old news but really nothing new.
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2011/12/09/if-theyre-not-detecting-isa-what-are-they-detecting/
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2073 on: January 11, 2016, 09:56:58 PM »

You bet and thanks for the link, now we may know some of the names of the posters on this thread and who they work for.. ;D ;D ;D
So who didn't you know, and who do they work for?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2074 on: January 11, 2016, 10:21:40 PM »

Every day it seems another paper jumps on this latest news which of course is understandable.http://www.digitaljournal.com/life/food/world-s-most-feared-salmon-virus-found-in-canadian-waters/article/454287

More bad reporting....."Based on a study of farm-raised salmon, a European variant of a deadly disease called infectious salmon anemia virus (ISAV) has now arrived in British Columbia."  A virus is different from a disease. Sigh...

No mention that these authors did find the whole virus - only fragments.
No mention of the lack of repeatability of the results.
No mention that these results were based on PCR alone and why OIE standards for disease confirmation were not used.
No mention of why no other labs were used to confirm these results.
No mention of why Routledge's samples in 2011 didn't make the grade.
No mention where the farmed samples in this study came from?
No mention why samples were not taken from US waters.
No mention of the facts behind Molly Kibenge's samples from 2004 as described in detail in the Cohen Final Report. Like why some of the samples that were once negative in Molly's work came up as positive in husband's lab.
No mention that none of the fish in this study did not show any clinical signs of ISA. Not to mention no farmed fish in BC have ever showed signs of ISA following the testing of thousands of samples of farmed fish.
No mention of Dr. Kristi Miller-Saunders work and what she said during the Cohen Inquiry about ISAv.

Back to you, Chris.
 

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2075 on: January 11, 2016, 10:27:32 PM »

Don't expect much Steve ;D
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2076 on: January 11, 2016, 10:48:37 PM »

Here is today's updated online Chilliwack Progress story on the reported ISAv found in Cultus Lake cutthroat trout. Kudos to the reporter, Jennifer Feinberg, for re writing this and not publishing in hard copy the original story last Friday.
 http://www.theprogress.com/news/364568161.html

Kudos to you, Dave. However, unfortunately, for every one reporter that gets it right there are many more that do not as we have seen already here.  Morton will likely call the Progress a fish farm industry apologist now. Don't go against the mothership!
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2077 on: January 12, 2016, 06:07:43 AM »

steve, just out of curiosity, are you Sal Nam from flybc?  you guys have similar writing styles. tone seems a bit different though
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2078 on: January 12, 2016, 07:10:19 AM »

Haha :D  I'll answer for him ....   no
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2079 on: January 12, 2016, 08:02:54 AM »

Don't expect much Steve ;D
I am still here more ground shaking news to come. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2081 on: January 12, 2016, 09:05:02 AM »

Media Advisory
Rally - Ocean Fish Farms – Ticking Virus Bombs?
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016
Place: DFO Office, 401 Pender Street, Vancouver
Time: 11:00 am

A rally will be held at the Department of Fisheries, Oceans and Canadian Coast Guard office this Thursday to raise public awareness about the danger fish farms pose to wild salmon, the diverse economy and biodiversity it supports. With long overdue action on the Cohen Commission, the aggressive intent of the ocean fish farm industry to expand, and new scientific evidence the ISA virus is in BC waters, there is no time to waste.

“It is extremely urgent for the Liberal government to meet with scientists publishing on the ISA virus, and the First Nations Wild Salmon Alliance (FNWSA) to avoid the unimaginable – the loss wild salmon due to viruses such as ISA,” stated Jim Hobart, Chief of the Spuzzum First Nation, and member of the FNWSA. “The fish farm industry approach of attacking the peer-reviewed science only emphasizes the need for immediate open and transparent virus testing of farmed salmon in those open-net pens,” added Chief Hobart.

“We are all in favor of long overdue testing of ocean farmed salmon, but what is also required is an immediate stop to any expansion of open-net pen farms on migration routes of wild salmon, insisted Chief Michelle Lee Edwards of Sekw’el’wes First Nation in Lillooet.

Wild Salmon Defenders are mobilizing to be at the site for the rally with signs, banners, drummers and singers and statements from stakeholders.

Eddie Gardner, Wild Salmon Defenders Alliance Coordinator

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2082 on: January 12, 2016, 09:19:27 AM »

Media Advisory
Rally - Ocean Fish Farms – Ticking Virus Bombs?
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016
Place: DFO Office, 401 Pender Street, Vancouver
Time: 11:00 am



“It is extremely urgent for the Liberal government to meet with scientists publishing on the ISA virus,
Eddie Gardner, Wild Salmon Defenders Alliance Coordinator

Thats interesting that they only want government to meet with a particular group of scientists.  How about meeting with a panel of experts.  Nah, that wouldn't work to so well with this group of protesters.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2083 on: January 12, 2016, 09:25:26 AM »

Thats interesting that they only want government to meet with a particular group of scientists.  How about meeting with a panel of experts.  Nah, that wouldn't work to so well with this group of protesters.
Hope you are able to go Thursday and talk first hand to the protesters.

In the meantime.

http://news.yahoo.com/researchers-detect-devastating-virus-farmed-salmon-190251883.html

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« Reply #2084 on: January 12, 2016, 10:19:51 AM »

Hey chris,

Since you are in the story writing business how does this work.  I see that the same story is posted over and over by different agencys since you post them every time a story is repeated.  Does one person write the story and then sell it to the other media outlets?  How much does a story sell for?  could a story such as the one above be paid for by an outside organization and posted as a story? 

Just wondering since we always seem to see textbook examples of this from this thread from you.
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