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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Bassonator on November 03, 2010, 11:42:54 AM
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Nuff said. :)
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check time of your post then mine...lmao
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finally.
(http://www.thetyee.ca/2003/12/19/CampbellMugShot2b.jpg)
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http://www.timescolonist.com/BREAKING+Premier+resigns+says+time+person+lead/3771453/story.html
;D :D ;D
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3 seconds apart bass...lmao...more time then that waste of skin should of been premier..lmao... ;D..holmes*
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From News 1130: "He will remain with the Liberals but is asking for a leadership convention as soon as possible because too much voter anger has bogged down the government's ability to get the job done."
You gotta be kidding me! Blaming the citizens because you can't do your job in the first place?? Mr. Campbell, you dug your own fricken grave. Now do us all a favour and jump in it!
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CBC News Alerts
Wednesday, November 03, 2010
B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell resigns
B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell has announced his resignation.
For the latest on this breaking story, visit http://links.cbc.ca/a/l.x?T=jncickhphbmkbaopffmlnogobl&M=10
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Having met the man a few times when I was in the Liberal party he was very pleasant to talk with but by saying this I became very unhappy with what he and the party have done the last while. Most people that read this forum know that fact but he is a human being after all like the rest of us and we should still be respectful.
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I agree with Chris, regardless in your opinion how poor he has done as a leader of this province, you need to keep your comments respectful.
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Having met the man a few times when I was in the Liberal party he was very pleasant to talk with but by saying this I became very unhappy with what he and the party have done the last while. Most people that read this forum know that fact but he is a human being after all like the rest of us and we should still be respectful.
Make sure you don't ask Mrs. Campbell her opinion of Mr. Campbell. There is a reason she works on the Sunshine coast lol.
ps..met her a few times - great lady.
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i will keep my comments about gordo as respectful as he has been to the voters of BC....NOT VERY....holmes*
why was my earlier post erased?
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Having met the man a few times when I was in the Liberal party he was very pleasant to talk with but by saying this I became very unhappy with what he and the party have done the last while. Most people that read this forum know that fact but he is a human being after all like the rest of us and we should still be respectful.
Speaking as a Liberal voter I agree. I also agree with his decision to step down. He is still a father, and a husband and as a person I would say he is probably not a bad guy just has some ideas that most of us dont agree with.
I dont see the HST going away right away but they might drop it by 1-2%.
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Gordon Campbell is a bottom feeder, he feeds off of scum (his cronies). The guy is the epitome of a shister.
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I'm no political expert and I am certainly not going to sit here and defend everything Gordo has done in his career, i cant remember the last time a political figure is remember for the good things they do but the few "unpopular" things they do ruin their rep for life. Basically as an outsider looking at the time under Gordo, BC seems to have it's best decade ever....
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Just heard that Carol James and the NDP are very upset about the Campbell resignation.....
Apparently they now have to try come up with a whole new election platform! ;D
That should keep them busy for the next 2-3 years.....
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When I did business with the City of Vancouver during the 70's and 80's Campbell was the best administrator they'd ever had.
Now we've see him giving away BC rivers to his cronies, punishing the poor and generally acting like he owned the place-good riddance is the best I can say.
And Don't Forget-those still cronies are still around/still looking for a piece of the action it's up to us to keep the Lieberals feet to the fire.
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Some people make it sound like Gord was playing on some sort of sports team. Respect his time on the field, retire his number etc.
No Gord was as closer to being a psychopathic charlatan. Who was played with peoples lives as he lied.
I'm sure that won't stop people from voting another one in. Maybe worse because the anti's higher. :-\
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This says it best:
Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed frequently , for all the same reasons
I keep hearing what a great job he did for the economy.
Well what about the resource giveaways to his corporate buddies? What about the mess education is in? Did I mention "fish farms" ???? Paying legal fees for Basi/Burke etc.....
I could fill this page with examples, so dont tell me what a great Premier he was. Lets see how long it takes for his buddies find a place for him on a corporate board ... His bottom feeding isnt done yet.... >:(
And I also have a lot of scorn for the other "Honourable Members" on his wrecking crew. But thats another thread......
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This says it best:
I keep hearing what a great job he did for the economy.
Well what about the resource giveaways to his corporate buddies? What about the mess education is in? Did I mention "fish farms" ???? Paying legal fees for Basi/Burke etc.....
I could fill this page with examples, so dont tell me what a great Premier he was. Lets see how long it takes for his buddies find a place for him on a corporate board ... His bottom feeding isnt done yet.... >:(
And I also have a lot of scorn for the other "Honourable Members" on his wrecking crew. But thats another thread......
Let's be real here....
Name one premier in the last 25 years that has done everything perfectly in your opinion. Why would you expect Campbell to the first perfect premier?
Although it may surprise you, most of the decisions the government made over the years had the support of a large percentage of the BC population. That's why we call our form of government a democracy and elect leaders who are not afraid to make tough decisions that 100% of the electorate will not always agree with...
In the end they face the consequences either by losing an election or voluntarily resigning.
What you should be afraid of is the politician that won't make a decision because it may lose them some votes..
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Some people make it sound like Gord was playing on some sort of sports team. Respect his time on the field, retire his number etc.
No Gord was as closer to being a psychopathic charlatan. Who was played with peoples lives as he lied.
I'm sure that won't stop people from voting another one in. Maybe worse because the anti's higher. :-\
You have absolutely no basis for that comment. ???
But nothing wrong with having an opinion..... :D
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--I once had a boss with whom I often butted heads ... he did however give me some sage advice, which has held true over time... "YOU WILL SEE WORSE"
--I can only hope it won't prove true yet again.
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You have absolutely no basis for that comment. ???
But nothing wrong with having an opinion..... :D
My opinion, alwaysfishin should run for a party. Second thought no, as he likes the HST and he would not always be fishing if elected. ;D ;D ;D
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My opinion, alwaysfishin should run for a party. Second thought no, as he likes the HST and he would not always be fishing if elected. ;D ;D ;D
So true.... the part about HST and fishing. ;D
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From the beginning this bunch have been sailing under a false flag. These Liberals were never liberals. They worked hard and people gave them the benefit of the doubt but slowly the suspicion grew that they were really pirates. Gordo is not really the problem but due to his approach of being the most visible member of the team, he became the target.
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Privatization and sales of crown assets is great for this business buddies who'll surely reward him with prized appointments. No doubt he'll need lots of personal time to figure out which board of directors is the most lucrative.
Don't be jealous, he's worked hard and sacrifice much for the bounty.
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I find it very difficult to find one iota of respect for Campbell. Respect is something that is earned, not an automatic given with a proven liar not on my list. The crowing about a quarter of BC residents receiving an HST credit only shows one in four live in poverty. We have the dubious distinction of having the highest child poverty rate as well as the lowest minimum wage.The acrid stench from paying 6 million in legal fees to Basi -Virk allowing them to keep the properties they own while cutting legal aid to the poorest of the poor. The constant spray of bovine scatological matter that even now continues is disgraceful and disrespectful to the electorate. Lies did him in, as well they should have. A small list, by no means complete:
Gordon Campbell lied pre-election about our BC deficit
Gordon Campbell lied when he said he wouldn`t sell BC Rail.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said he would honour the HEU signed negotiated contract.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no expansion in gambling in BC.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said that implementing the Carbon tax was the equivalent of taking 400,000 cars off the road each year.
(Drumroll please)
The lie that did him in:
Gordon Campbell lied about the HST.
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A few months ago I was thinking that one benefit of Campbell resigning would be that Novabonker would be able to stop posting about all the "lies" he imagines he's heard. Unfortunately Campbell's resigned and we're still seeing the same posts.
You gotta get over this Novabonker, and get on with your life! ;D
Go fishing! Maybe bonk a couple of fish while chanting liar, liar..... ;)
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It's unfortunate GC lowered taxes (income tax/PST) it ended up he had to sell crown estate and introduce HST to cover for the lost revenue. Only the bad gets remembered. ;D
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A few months ago I was thinking that one benefit of Campbell resigning would be that Novabonker would be able to stop posting about all the "lies" he imagines he's heard. Unfortunately Campbell's resigned and we're still seeing the same posts.
Yeah Novabonker. You should now change your posts to "Liberal Party" lies.......all his cronies in deceit are still at the reins.
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Although it may surprise you, most of the decisions the government made over the years had the support of a large percentage of the BC population. That's why we call our form of government a democracy and elect leaders who are not afraid to make tough decisions that 100% of the electorate will not always agree with...
We don't actually get any say in the governments decisions once they are in power. Other than polls, we also can't show our support or lack of it for any decisions they make until the next election. And the only info we have to go on for an election is their track record and pre-election promises and platform. The greatest anger with GC and the Liberals seems to be their broken promises and phoney parts of their "liberal" platform.
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We don't actually get any say in the governments decisions once they are in power. Other than polls, we also can't show our support or lack of it for any decisions they make until the next election. And the only info we have to go on for an election is their track record and pre-election promises and platform. The greatest anger with GC and the Liberals seems to be their broken promises and phoney parts of their "liberal" platform.
Neither does any other voter in a democratic government. Can you imagine the chaos if every decision went back to the voter? And what about the voters that still didn't agree with the decision, how would you make them happy?
In a democracy we elect a leader that we hope, believe, expect to make decisions we agree with. If they make decisions we don't agree with we can try vote them out in the next election but only if the majority of the voters agree with us. ???
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Have you been fishing out of the country for the past 10 yrs. There is no imagining for anyone literate, Novabonker stated facts that you're trying to debunk with rhetoric. Asking someone to "get on with life", trying to ridicule their post is rather childish, come on, you're above that.
Contribute to the community, Post some facts, pro or con, doesn't matter. Anything is better than Assassinating another member's post. NUFF SAID.
HAND ;)
A few months ago I was thinking that one benefit of Campbell resigning would be that Novabonker would be able to stop posting about all the "lies" he imagines he's heard. Unfortunately Campbell's resigned and we're still seeing the same posts.
You gotta get over this Novabonker, and get on with your life! ;D
Go fishing! Maybe bonk a couple of fish while chanting liar, liar..... ;)
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he's a politician, 'nuff said.
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Have you been fishing out of the country for the past 10 yrs. There is no imagining for anyone literate, Novabonker stated facts that you're trying to debunk with rhetoric. Asking someone to "get on with life", trying to ridicule their post is rather childish, come on, you're above that.
Contribute to the community, Post some facts, pro or con, doesn't matter. Anything is better than Assassinating another member's post. NUFF SAID.
HAND ;)
I appreciate you jumping to defend Novabonker, although I've seen him very capable of defending himself..... Calling someone a liar when you know they won't have the opportunity to respond, in my mind is not cool!
Let's just chalk my post up as written in defense of Mr. Campbell, who probably won't be writing a post in his own defense. ;D
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I appreciate you jumping to defend Novabonker, although I've seen him very capable of defending himself..... Calling someone a liar when you know they won't have the opportunity to respond, in my mind is not cool!
Let's just chalk my post up as written in defense of Mr. Campbell, who probably won't be writing a post in his own defense. ;D
AF - simply put- show me where I'm wrong, please. I'm not. The things I posted are the facts, not imagination or lies. Facts.Tell me there not. GC is welcome here I think- In fact, I'll write an email to him inviting him right now with a link. ::)
It's pretty sad to just accept lies and figure that's OK. I don't and i figure the biggest part if the problem is those that do.
Tell me AF- How do you feel about the Basi - Virk payoff? Six million AND they get to keep all their properties and assets. All while legal aid to the poorest has suffered constant cuts.
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Well now we get to see the true character of the man, when the chips are down. The classy thing to do would have been to make the announcement, appoint an interim leader and ride off into the sunset. But no, now we hear that Gordo is going to hang in there another six months to give the Libs a chance to elect another leader. Yeah right!!! If you read Michael Smyth's editorial in the Friday Province, Gordo is a control freak who has gone out of control. Come hell or high water he is going to ram through all the things he went over in his infomercial to the people of B.C.. Hello Gordon Campbell, what part of I resigned do you not understand. This reminds me of that episode a few years back on Seinfeld, when George quit his job on Friday. Over the weekend he realizes what a dumb move that was and goes back on Monday to his old job and telling everyone that it was a joke and he did not mean it. If Gordo is trying to pull the same stunt on the people of this province shame on him. The people of this province deserve better, and he should fold up his tent and shuffle off with his gold plated pension into retirement.
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Ah yes AF - The pension lie- Remember that whopper? How he abolished the MLA pensions, railing about how rich the waste of taxpayer dollars was? Greed jumped up and said "Public service is a sacrifice! We sit a whole 45 days a year and that deserves a fat pension plan!"Now the poor man will have to scrape by on a measly (indexed) $100,000 plus a year. Maybe he can get one of those 6 dollar an hour training wage jobs.You know the ones, where you can get called in for 2 hours.Yessir, 12 bucks and then you get to pay for transportation there. Should leave a 5er if your lucky.Stick around sonny, work hard and you'll go up to 8 bucks an hour. That's 16 bucks, but you still get to pay a minimum of $2.50 each way to earn that 16. Then you might go home with enough to buy a meal or 2;hope you like mac and cheese, noodles and hamburger - when you can afford it.But at least you'll go to sleep at night knowing Gordo is comfortable.I wonder if he gets a few bones from his stint as mayor? You see , by the Liberals own admission, one in four families in BC get a rebate on the HST- Translation- one in four lives in poverty during our golden decade. But raising the minimum wage and allowing our lowest earners just a bit of dignity would bankrupt a whole bevy of small business. Never mind how ridiculous it is to operate that tight that you'd go under paying some fellow human being barely enough to sleep inside and have a meal in their belly.
You're right - it isn't "cool" to call someone a liar. I just need to point out the facts, and he condemns himself.
(Still haven't got a reply from the email invite.)
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Gorden Alwaysfishn :)
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........... You're right - it isn't "cool" to call someone a liar.
See there is something we both agree on! ;D
I like that quote. Do you mind if I use it in my signature line? :D
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Hello Gordon Campbell, what part of I resigned do you not understand.
The man is a disgrace even here in a province full of flaky politicians.
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GC has every opportunity to defend himself, as a matter of fact he has more opportunity than everyone here combined.
As for your defense of GC start anytime. Thus far you haven't posted anything, not even good opinion. Stating the facts is the best defense, otherwise it is just cheap talk. We're waiting so post away.
I appreciate you jumping to defend Novabonker, although I've seen him very capable of defending himself..... Calling someone a liar when you know they won't have the opportunity to respond, in my mind is not cool!
Let's just chalk my post up as written in defense of Mr. Campbell, who probably won't be writing a post in his own defense. ;D
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See there is something we both agree on! ;D
I like that quote. Do you mind if I use it in my signature line? :D
By all means, but use it in the post where you disprove my statements where I showed Campbell to be a purveyer of cattle scat.But in the meantime, I'm waiting with bated breath for your analysis on the Basi - Virk payoff.
Here's a read for your morning coffee:
http://www.straight.com/article-356654/vancouver/we-dont-need-another-incurious-premier-gordon-campbell?page=0%2C0
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Here's a read for your morning coffee:
http://www.straight.com/article-356654/vancouver/we-dont-need-another-incurious-premier-gordon-campbell?page=0%2C0
Thanks Novabonker! I read the article, here's what I picked up. Looks pretty good to me. Sometimes I wonder why we argue? ;D
burnaby: The writer that Novabonker linked to provides a much better defense of the Campbell government than I ever could. Thanks again, Novabonker.
"By the time Campbell became premier in 2001, he had adopted a mindset that the government was often at the root of society's problems. Therefore, it had to be diminished." I like that about him!
"One of his first actions as premier was to introduce $2 billion in annual personal tax cuts and another $1.5 billion in annual corporate tax cuts. In conservative circles, that's called "starving the beast": leave the government with less money so it's incapable of doing much." I like that about him!
"He never told anyone before the 2001 election that he was going to cut personal income taxes by 25 percent. In the last election without consulting finance ministry staff, he suddenly promised to eliminate the small-business tax by 2012. It was another way to starve the beast. Last week in one of his final acts as premier, he announced that he would slash personal income taxes by another 15 percent. Again, this was done without any public discussion beforehand. I don't have any problem with lower taxes!
"Campbell diminished the government’s role in our lives in other ways. He turned over hospitals' food service, laundry, and janitorial work to private contractors, again with no advance consultation." Government should be involved in setting policies, not running businesses.
"That wasn’t the only example. Campbell sometimes wouldn’t approve new major health facilities unless they were financed and built by the private sector. He also refused to give TransLink any money to build a new rapid-transit project unless it was turned over to a private company to build, finance, and operate. In addition, he wouldn't construct major roads and bridges unless they were created through public-private partnerships." He's right, government shouldn't be involved!
"Campbell went further with B.C. Rail, selling the assets to CN Rail" I agree with that decision!
"In the education sphere, he didn't come close to fully funding cost increases downloaded on school districts. Because trustees have no authority to tax, they were forced to downgrade public education, which made private schools more appealing." Unfortunately in education as in health care the upper management bureaucracy cut workers jobs instead of their own jobs and then blame the results on the government!
"Meanwhile, postsecondary students were forced to pay a much higher proportion of the univerities' overall costs because Campbell froze funding on a per-student basis. That's what happens when you starve the beast." When you charge for something it ends up being worth a whole lot more to you than if you give it away for free! I have college age kids and I don't have a problem with them paying more for their education as they have a lifetime to pay that back. Somebody has to pay for it, why not the person who benefits?
"When it came to social services, Campbell introduced draconian cuts to welfare after the 2001 election. This was designed to make poor people less dependent on the government." People should be more self sufficient and less dependent on government.
"He also refused to raise the minimum wage beyond $8 an hour, ensuring our lowest-income workers were the poorest in Canada." And in the process created jobs that otherwise wouldn't be there!
"Campbell provided "some of the greatest tax cuts in history to low-income earners." Why is that bad?
"What were the consequences of Campbell's zeal to cut taxes and shrink government? He contributed to a growing disparity of wealth in this province. The rich were able to keep a much larger share of their income. This encouraged a proliferation of luxurious restaurants, upscale vehicle dealerships, and luxury condominiums in Vancouver. He also boosted the prosperity of the upper middle class, including many media executives and senior journalists." Without the rich investors, there would be fewer jobs for the low and middle class and there would be more poverty. What the writer suggests are consequences, I suggest are benefits!
"Some of these costs of P3s could have been prevented had the Ministry of Finance borrowed the money for these projects.That's because governments can obtain loans at lower interest rates than the private sector." Paying for services out of cash flow is much better than using debt! High debt is why the US economy is in such trouble!
"Only in the past couple of years has the B.C. Liberal government demonstrated any real interest in increasing the number of nonprofit housing units. Campbell's preferred option for addressing the housing crisis has been to introduce rent supplements, which puts more money in the hands of landlords." If the landlords don't get extra money they won't build more units of low income housing!
"Campbell often said that if you left more money in people’s pockets, they would spend it on goods and services, thereby stimulating the economy. And, he said, cutting corporate taxes would attract investment, creating more jobs. This was the mantra during the Campbell years. It’s a simple message that has considerable appeal." He's right!
"Sometimes, the public saves its tax cuts or spends it on vacations outside of the province. Moreover in tough times, the beneficiaries of tax cuts might just stuff these funds under their mattress because they're scared out of their wits. This reduces the velocity of money flowing through the economy, thereby undermining growth. Sometimes, the super-wealthy don't spend all their money because it would be too time-consuming to do so. Giving them more tax cuts loses its effectiveness after a while. Regardless of how much money consumers had in their pockets, they sharply cut spending after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, a major Wall Street bank, in the fall of 2008." What? Should we legislate how, where and when people spend their money??? ???
"Campbell showed a remarkable lack of curiosity about the value of investments in the arts. It's a proven way of creating employment at a far lower price than a roof on a football stadium or a superfluous convention centre." That's just left wing crap!
"It's clear that Campbell likes his economics to be kept simple. Investment is good. Government is bad." And the problem with that???
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Skated right past the other post AF? Again, you fling dung at me for pointing towards outright lies-but "Calling someone a liar when you know they won't have the opportunity to respond, in my mind is not cool!"
I posted facts- I'm waiting patiently for you to prove me wrong, any indication that Campbell wasn't a baldfaced liar- but you can't, because I posted fact. And the facts are plain- Campbell is and was spraying the province with fibs. He's been proven to be nothing but a common liar and charlatan.The sickest part of the whole thing is people, granted only 9%, still support disingenuous slimeball politicians and figure them to be just ducky.What kind of comment does that make on our society when tax cuts trump honesty and a little bit of caring for the most vulnerable?
Your hero at work:
Seniors- Net loss of affordable housing, couples split up after over 50 years of marriage.Read that article about the senior dieing from an infection in his leg? Overworked and understaffed senior's care homes. What a great way to treat the people who built the province. Great accomplishment Gordo!
Children in poverty- Still leading the pack there, despite 9 years to work on the problem. So the solution is cuts to funding, while cutting taxes so greed can displace empathy. Give everyone a tax cut! That'll fix it!Great accomplishment Gordo!
Minimum wage- Lowest in the country with a 6 dollar an hour rip off training wage.2 hours minimum at $6, maybe 8. Pay your bus fare and work for free almost.Great accomplishment Gordo!
1 in 4 gets an HST credit, meaning one in four lives at or below the poverty line. Boy, that's something that makes my chest swell with pride.Another tax cut!( Great idea when you're running a deficit)Great accomplishment Gordo!
Ruin of the river- 33%hydro increase to pay off long term contracts paying well above market rates. The lies were thick for the justification. But they were just lies.Great accomplishment Gordo!
Six million to defend Basi-Virk, but deep cuts to legal aid for those most unable to afford a lawyer.Not even bothering to go after the assets and properties.Tip of the iceberg maybe?.Great accomplishment Gordo!
I can post a lot more about the carnage and collateral damage if you want, but I just want you to prove I'm wrong about him being a liar.I'll even say please. But something tells me GC will get re-elected before that happens .
And here's another myth dispelled about our "prudent" government:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/Willy1956/GDP-Growth-v2.png)
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You know Novabonker, it's best that we agree that we disagree and leave it at that.
You are so entrenched in your views of Campbell that you can't see how this province has prospered as a result of his direction. Just look at the article you asked me to read. It is full of positive stuff about how he has benefited this province yet you only saw an article full of negatives. ???
I won't even get into the Basi / Virk thing because you are convinced there is a conspiracy there..... even though it is fact that these guys have taken bribes before. As far as the "6 million payoff", there was no payoff. They were entitled under our judicial system to have representation. I don't like it, but it's how our system works.
While I and others share your concern for the poor, the aging and ailing in this province, we also realize that we can't afford what it would cost to create a perfect world.
Was Campbell perfect? of course not! but He's resigned. It's over. Get over it!
The next leader/ government will have their flaws as well. Save some of your disdain for them because they won't be perfect either.
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It appears we do disagree.
"They were entitled under our judicial system to have representation"
The only problem with that is where do those that don't own properties or have any money suffer this:
2002-2005
* The BC government cut funding to the Legal Services Society – the provider of legal aid - by 40%;
* They closed 85% of the legal aid offices throughout BC;
* Reduction of 75% of staff;
* Eliminated all legal aid Poverty Law services;
* Eliminated all assistance for Human Rights complaints
* Cut family law by 60%.
2005-2008
* Minimal increases did not supported the demand for legal aid.
* LSS sought and received pilot project funding from non-government funding sources, but those were tightened up in the face of the economic meltdown of 2008.
January 2009
* The Legal Services Society announced huge cuts to staff and services over the year.
April 2009
* Elimination of 38 staff positions (16% reduction) in the Vancouver and Surrey offices, including all staff caseload lawyer positions (resulting, for example, in the closure of the LSS family law clinic) and 6 LawLINE lawyer positions;
* Reduction in LawLINE scope, resulting in coverage of fewer legal issues;
* Reduction of public legal information services due to decreased staffing (reduction in fieldworkers and publications staff);
* Family law: Family law services largely eliminated. Extended family services, which give lawyers extra time to complete difficult cases, reduced. Dispute resolution services, available to clients with significant family law problems but without safety concerns, entirely eliminated;
* Criminal law: Category One offences, such as breach of probation, petty theft and failure to appear, no longer covered for adults;
* Immigration and refugee law: Stricter merit screening introduced, restricting how many people will be eligible for legal aid coverage.
November 2009
* LSS announced further cuts including the closing of five regional offices and the closing of LAWLine.
January 2010
* Kamloops lawyers announced they were withdrawing services in opposition to legal aid cuts.
* The British Columbia branch of the Canadian Bar Association will hold a ‘People’s Commission’ on the sorry state of legal aid in the province.
April 2010
* LAWLine - LSS's telephone legal advice service will be discontinued.
* The Society will close its regional centres in Kamloops, Prince George, Kelowna, Surrey and Victoria
* Elimination of all of LSS’s civil non-family legal aid advice services, including LawLINE (staffed with lawyers and paralegals offering free telephone legal advice to low income people across BC), the Community Advocate Support Line (staffed by a lawyer who provides legal supervision, advice, and support to advocates throughout BC), and all but one staff position at the Nanaimo Justice Access Centre
* Elimination of an additional 58 staff positions throughout BC, including all but five of the remaining LSS staff lawyer positions in BC.
The BC Liberals have cut $22.4 million from the legal aid system since 2002- where does that leave the poorest , yet Basi and Virk get a 6 million dollar tab written off?
"While I and others share your concern for the poor, the aging and ailing in this province, we also realize that we can't afford what it would cost to create a perfect world."
I can get by without the latest tax cut, instead of watching my mother in law suffer for 1.5 years - so far - waiting for knee replacement.Now her hip is going as a result of not being able to walk properly.The reason for this malarkey? Lack of funding. How can one applaud tax cuts while suffering continues?
"Was Campbell perfect? of course not! but He's resigned. It's over. Get over it!
The next leader/ government will have their flaws as well. Save some of your disdain for them because they won't be perfect either."
Let's at the very least hope for some empathy, honesty and a willingness to work with and for the electorate, and not run the province like a tin pot dictator.
And don't worry- I have a ton of disdain that I'm willing to use.
BUT I'm still waiting for you to point out any inaccuracies from my earlier post........
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The sad thing about this whole scenerio is that, contrary to what he said during his resignation speech, Gordon Campbell is not doing what is best for BC. Staying on until a new leader is chosen effectively makes it impossible for government to work properly. Regardless of our political stripe, none of us want or can afford that. I have every confidence that after a week or two of basking in the compliments coming his way, he will come to his senses and appoint an interim leader and then ride into the sunset. That would be best for us and for him.
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--the legislature has been in session less than with any other government so what does it matter if Campbell is there or not... his caucus claims it is run on consensus and do not have a dictator so get on with it.
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I find it very difficult to find one iota of respect for Campbell. Respect is something that is earned, not an automatic given with a proven liar not on my list. The crowing about a quarter of BC residents receiving an HST credit only shows one in four live in poverty. We have the dubious distinction of having the highest child poverty rate as well as the lowest minimum wage.The acrid stench from paying 6 million in legal fees to Basi -Virk allowing them to keep the properties they own while cutting legal aid to the poorest of the poor. The constant spray of bovine scatological matter that even now continues is disgraceful and disrespectful to the electorate. Lies did him in, as well they should have. A small list, by no means complete:
Gordon Campbell lied pre-election about our BC deficit
Gordon Campbell lied when he said he wouldn`t sell BC Rail.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said he would honour the HEU signed negotiated contract.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no expansion in gambling in BC.
Gordon Campbell lied when he said that implementing the Carbon tax was the equivalent of taking 400,000 cars off the road each year.
(Drumroll please)
The lie that did him in:
Gordon Campbell lied about the HST.
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AF has drank the Gordito koolaid. It's too late for him me thinks. ;D
Campbell IMO has been the absolute worst premier in our provinces history.
An absolute liar. An absolute disgrace. ;D ;D ;D
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Some people do not understand the ramifications of privatizing BC. Period. If there is any one agenda that the liberals have pushed, that is it.
Look at trends in health care, child care, environment, policing and education as a result of privatization, less government, and less taxes... are they positive or negative trends? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to answer correctly. You may have a little more spending money in your pocket at the end of the day but you're being snowed.... all that crap you have to pay for as a family, education, extracurriculars, daycare, health expenses, dental etc.... the list goes on.... do you really think that extra money in your pocket will cover what a PROPER system would be covering for you?
It's astounding to me that some of you with families can't see the forest through the trees.
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What I wrote a few months ago is now coming true each passing day.
Trust lost In BC Liberals
I have to agree with Randy White’s statement that the B.C. Liberal rein as government will come to an end in the next provincial election. (Former conservative Conservative MP predicts election defeat for B.C. Liberals July 27, by Robert Freeman) Bringing in the HST I feel has signaled the final death blow to Campbell’s government and for most of his cabinet ministers and MLAs. Many other issues and decisions made over their term as government has seen the voter lose confidence in the BC Liberals. As in many causes governments lose power as it is their own actions that defeat them. In other words, they defeat themselves.
One reason I feel why Campbell and his finance minster Colin Hansen were forced to find another way to bring in more revenue is because their government cut taxes starting back when they were first elected. – a total of 37 percent since 2001, the Premier said in a previous article defending his government’s stance on bringing in the HST on July 1. When we see the financial mess we are in now, how wise a move was that to cut these taxes so much? We now have had a ballooning deficit the last few years with the news now filled with how our education, and health care services that we so treasure in British Columbia continue to suffer. Many other ministries, including the Ministry of the Environment, have been slashed. The Liberal party always boasts about these tax reductions but it leads one to ask was it more about using this statement time and time again just to get elected two more times than good fiscal management? The proof now seems to appear in the pudding; because of the financial mess we are in the Liberals, in a desperate move have had to bring in the HST to try to prevent our deficit from growing even more.
Then we had the 2010 Olympics that I have to admit I enjoyed along with most British Columbians and people throughout the world. We were all thrilled by the accomplishments of many of our Canadian athletes. However, I believe our tax base in British Columbia is too small to be able the afford the tax dollars that had to be spent to put this two-week party on. More money added to our deficit. Where do we get these funds from? Hansen must have asked himself. Well the HST now appears to be the latest one while core services continue to face financial hardships.
Also the fish farm issue has been handled so badly, they continue to ignore the evidence provided by Dr. Alexandra Morton and others – just another example of how they really do not seem to care about the environment and our wild salmon that are a cornerstone of British Columbia. The same wild salmon that have helped build our province with these salmon substantiating our First Nation people for thousands of years. This issue is a prime example how the government has stopped listening to the people, they I believe have become too arrogant and self-centered. If they do not like what you are saying and it is not on their agenda they tune you out, hoping you will just go away.
I know being a government MLA or a cabinet minister is not easy and some time hard decisions have to be faced but over the years but I have seen this once fresh government change and lose touch with the people, the people that put them in power to represent them. Transparency on so many issues disappeared. Many other ways of being good government slipped away also, we are all familiar with them. Two years ago I was so disillusioned and left the party and did not renew my Liberal membership. I am glad I did as the way the HST was brought in it would have been the final nail in the coffin for me as it now will be for this once great party in less than three years time from now, if not sooner if recall is successful.
Where do I go from here, back to my family roots of the NDP where my mother’s cousin’s son Grant Notley was the NDP leader in Alberta before he was killed in the 1980s in a plane crash? Or will it be another party that will surface in the months ahead that will garner my support?
All I ask of the next government, is please do not do what the Liberals have done – lose the trust of many of us, over 700,000 voters who signed the anti HST petition. The people have spoken and the B.C. Liberals will now pay the price as Randy White says, in the not too distant future.
Chris Gadsden
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Some people do not understand the ramifications of privatizing BC. Period. If there is any one agenda that the liberals have pushed, that is it.
Look at trends in health care, child care, environment, policing and education as a result of privatization, less government, and less taxes... are they positive or negative trends? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to answer correctly. You may have a little more spending money in your pocket at the end of the day but you're being snowed.... all that crap you have to pay for as a family, education, extracurriculars, daycare, health expenses, dental etc.... the list goes on.... do you really think that extra money in your pocket will cover what a PROPER system would be covering for you?
It's astounding to me that some of you with families can't see the forest through the trees.
I think that I make better decisions with money that is in my pocket, than the decisions government makes when the money is in their pocket! There is no such thing as a "PROPER system" if government is running it.
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Thanks very much for our insight Chris. You are very diplomatic and I greatly appreciate that! You are very in tune with the issues effecting our province and I appreciate many of your insights, so thanks for taking the time to post. I think you are completely correct when saying that political leaders often create their own demise. Although I'm not an advocate of Campbell, I don't disagree with some of the actions he's taken. I disagree with the process taken to execute the party's desires. And this boils down to ignorance towards public oppinion, which can't be blatently dismissed in his role.
Thanks again!
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I own a service based business and some of the carnage I've seen from the cuts are just plain disgraceful and do nothing to inspire me as to where we have gone under Campbell's iron fisted reign. Here's how putting a few hundred dollars in people's pockets have affected those that need:
- A company that ran group homes for disabled adults closed all 4 homes they operated. They had initial cuts that made things a lot tougher, but because of the commitment and compassion of the operators they crunched numbers and cut staff, often working long hours. Again, another round of cuts found them unable to continue the fine work they did. The only solution was to shut the houses down. But there was money for tax cuts.
- A non profit society that aided street kids with getting off the cycle and getting a fresh start in their lives, ran a group home and detox center - gone. First round of cuts saw them, by order of the ministry that funded them, double the capacity with no increase in funding. That was a tough pill to swallow, but then another round of cuts they were forced to close because there wasn't enough money to continue and the lone option was to shut down.But there's money for tax cuts.
- A senior's care home I do work in is in shambles. The few staff that the society ca retain- because of funding cuts- are only there because of personal dedication. They're so overworked and overwhelmed that the term "care" is an unfunny joke. But there's money for tax cuts.
I've seen lots of other things that make me cringe, too numerous top compile here.
But I have a few more bucks in my pocket. The simple politics of greed come ahead of looking after the most vulnerable. The costs of the tax cuts eats away at the entire fabric that makes for a civil and caring society.
But I got a few more bucks in my pocket!
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Curious why those "For a few more bucks" aren't down in the States. Many of my colleagues relocated South for more bucks provided by the capitalist lifestyle after thankfully getting cheap education here. Everyone luvs tax cuts, but not at the extreme cost of decimated social services. Our rich Southern neighbors has some of the worst slums for a reason.
As for privatization and the argument Gov't shouldn't run any business take a look at Power/Electricity fiasco in California early this decade. Free power market almost bankrupted California that has now gone full circle back to regulation/gov't control.
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I think that I make better decisions with money that is in my pocket, than the decisions government makes when the money is in their pocket! There is no such thing as a "PROPER system" if government is running it.
This is exactly the attitude I'm talking about.
If you would rather be in a system with no health care, no money for education, no social assistance.... basically NO social support of any kind... you really have no clue what you are giving up.
THAT is what privatization means.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have MAJOR issues with accountability and responsible spending in government that ALSO leads to damage to our social programs. This is where people like you who are frustrated with government spending should turn your attention. The kicker is that the more government wastes our tax dollars, the less we trust it and the more likely we are to forfeit government funded programs (which has for the most part been the liberal and conservative agenda anyways)... win win for them.
A good society IMO is one in which its citizens care for one another and treat their role within society responsibly. You HAVE to understand that pure capitalism, which is the slope we are gradually sliding down, is not the answer to that... in fact it is the antithesis of a healthy society. I find it so sad that people have such a hard time noticing this trend, and realizing where the road leads.
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This is exactly the attitude I'm talking about.
If you would rather be in a system with no health care, no money for education, no social assistance.... basically NO social support of any kind... you really have no clue what you are giving up.
THAT is what privatization means.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have MAJOR issues with accountability and responsible spending in government that ALSO leads to damage to our social programs. This is where people like you who are frustrated with government spending should turn your attention. The kicker is that the more government wastes our tax dollars, the less we trust it and the more likely we are to forfeit government funded programs (which has for the most part been the liberal and conservative agenda anyways)... win win for them.
A good society IMO is one in which its citizens care for one another and treat their role within society responsibly. You HAVE to understand that pure capitalism, which is the slope we are gradually sliding down, is not the answer to that... in fact it is the antithesis of a healthy society. I find it so sad that people have such a hard time noticing this trend, and realizing where the road leads.
I think you may have it backwards.... ??? The trend is towards socialism rather than towards capitalism.
Before 1917 there was no income tax in Canada. It was put in place to help pay for the war and was to be a temporary measure.
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I think you may have it backwards.... ??? The trend is towards socialism rather than towards capitalism.
Before 1917 there was no income tax in Canada. It was put in place to help pay for the war and was to be a temporary measure.
So the privatization of highways, public transport, power, health and education.... those are trends towards socialism.... if you can't see what's going on you need to change prescriptions.
I'd like to hear your take on education, healthcare, and policing. Do you think they should be paid for by individuals, or by a collective and supplied to everyone??? If the answer is what I think it will be, there is nothing to debate as we probably disagree on what a "good" society is at a fundamental level.
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So the privatization of highways, public transport, power, health and education.... those are trends towards socialism.... if you can't see what's going on you need to change prescriptions.
I'd like to hear your take on education, healthcare, and policing. Do you think they should be paid for by individuals, or by a collective and supplied to everyone??? If the answer is what I think it will be, there is nothing to debate as we probably disagree on what a "good" society is at a fundamental level.
My prescriptions are fine (according to my optometrist) :D
You could be right about the debate idea. When you ask a question and then answer it, debate is rather pointless. ???
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alwaysfishn> are you a politician. Notice you state you can do everything better yourself, yet has yet to provide any facts to back up your premises.
Thus far there is nothing to debate with you as you have not made any points beside trust me, I can do better. :D
Realize it's not fair you're the only one on GC's side. Come up, where are the rest of his 9% support, we want to hear from you, come out of the closet.
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My prescriptions are fine (according to my optometrist) :D
You could be right about the debate idea. When you ask a question and then answer it, debate is rather pointless. ???
Speaking of debate, I'm still waiting for a response from Gordo's email.I invited him to respond. I guess that email will come when my inaccuracies are pointed out eh AF?. ;D ;) ;D
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I think you may have it backwards.... ??? The trend is towards socialism rather than towards capitalism.
That's American Tea Party rhetoric AF........where "socalist" is the new "communist". The real roots of that movement are very scary....
Governments are elected by the majority but they have to govern and provide for all citizens and I'm proud that in Canada our governments have generally met that test. And it's good to apply some business principles to their practices but when government leaders start to act like they are running a private company for the benefit of themselves and a select few, it's time for the boot.
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Campbelll fiscally responsible - ;D ;D ;D ;D
HILARIOUS!!
The 2000/01 fiscal year ended with Victoria collecting tax revenues of $14.3 billion, while the 2010/11 budget calls for tax receipts of $17.4 billion (since boosted to $18.1 billion in the first quarterly report). The composition of taxation revenue changed considerably over the 10-year period.
Two of the biggest sources of tax receipts -- personal-income tax and corporate-income tax -- were surprisingly flat over the decade, given population growth of about 500,000 and inflation. The reason? The many and on-going tax cuts unveiled by Campbell since 2001.
PIT revenues slipped from $5.963 billion to $5.861 billion, while corporate-income tax revenues dropped from just over $1 billion to $847 million for the current year. (Again, the first quarterly report boosted the latter figure to $1.5 billion.)
Tax revenues from retail sales rose from $3.6 billion in 2000/01, to an expected $5.2 billion in 2010/11. The former figure was generated by the provincial sales tax (officially known as the Social Service Tax) alone, while the latter is an amalgam of the PST and the new (and much-hated) Harmonized Sales Tax, which replaced the PST on July 1.
One levy, the corporation capital tax, was whittled away to nothing under Campbell's stewardship, while a new one, the carbon tax, was introduced in 2008. The former generated $459 million in 2000/01, and zero in the current year; the latter is expected to produce $727 million in Campbell's last year in office.
The biggest gain in tax receipts over the decade was due to world-wide low interest rates, which sparked a housing boom (and bubble) in much of the western world. Property-transfer revenues totaled $262 million in our base year of 2000/01, and are expected to hit $900 million at the end of the current fiscal period.
In total, Victoria's tax receipts grew by just $3.1 billion (or $3.8 billion, based on the first quarterly report) while Gordon Campbell was premier. As a proportion of B.C.'s economy, provincial tax revenues fell from 10.8 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP), to about 8.9 per cent.
Given that the 2010/11 budget estimates that B.C.'s GDP this year will hit $196.3 billion, the annual revenue lost to tax cuts is about $3.7 billion.
In the 1980s, Social Credit governments led by Bill Bennett and Bill Vander Zalm received three special equalization payments from Ottawa. Bennett got the first such payment, for $139 million, in 1983/84, and a second for $35 million in 1984/85. Vander Zalm obtained $360,000 in 1986/87.
The NDP garnered a single equalization transfer, of $125 million, in 1999/2000.
Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals, in contrast, received five such payments: $158 million in 2001/02; $543 million in 2002/03; $979 million in 2004/05; $590 million in 2005/06; and $459 million in 2006/07. (So huge were these transfers, that B.C. actually had to re-pay an overpayment of $330 million in 2003/04.)
The New Democrats got a total of $125 million in equalization; Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals, a total of $2.4 billion.
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That clearly goes to prove we must vote for the Liberals. LUV THOSE TRANSFER PAYMENTS.
:) ;) :D ;D
Campbelll fiscally responsible - ;D ;D ;D ;D
HILARIOUS!!
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The New Democrats got a total of $125 million in equalization; Gordon Campbell's BC Liberals, a total of $2.4 billion.
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what got my attention right away with this gov, is back a few years ago when they introduced pay parking at public and provincial parks and then proceeded to cut park staff significantly. they make more money, and some how have to lay off staff and cut funding, it should be the other way around...???
it might not seem like a big deal but this sort of thing happened all over the board in all sectors (especially public)..
it's also embarrasing that B.C. HAS the lowest minimum wage and the highest child poverty rate in all of CANADA. :-\ that has to be fixed.
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My prescriptions are fine (according to my optometrist) :D
You could be right about the debate idea. When you ask a question and then answer it, debate is rather pointless. ???
What I mean, AF, is that if you believe that social programs should be stripped, and we should each be responsible for our own, I really have nothing to say to you or anyone else of that mindset.
So do tell, how do you feel about your money going to public funded social programs like education and healthcare?
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What I mean, AF, is that if you believe that social programs should be stripped, and we should each be responsible for our own, I really have nothing to say to you or anyone else of that mindset.
So you're saying that unless I agree with your views, you would rather not discuss it? Let's leave it at that then........ ::)
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Geez AF - I guess you must feel like Gordo now.. ;D
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AHA !!!
Now we see where AF is coming from.
;D Bluesteele ;D
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I wouldn't mind having an intelligent debate with you all .........
However, it seems the best you can come up with is "I don't want to discuss it" and "you must feel like Gordo" and "are you a politician?" ??? ???
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But I gave you a bevy of stuff- facts that should get a little sunlight from the "dark side"', but you skate right past. Ya tells me eyem ill rong, butt ewe doughn't till mee y bye.(Transcribed from ancient Newfinese)
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Here are some numbers pertaining to Gordito the banditos wonderful fiscal performance.
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/11/08/CampbellPraise/
Maybe AF or some of his 9% friends can refute these numbers with some sort of Liberal spin tactic. LOL ;D
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Here are some numbers pertaining to Gordito the banditos wonderful fiscal performance.
I see you and Novabonker get your opinions from reading the same left wing Tyee articles.
I would bet that when you're standing in the grocery store line reading the tabloids that you believe everything written in them as welll........ ;D ;D
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Here are some numbers pertaining to Gordito the banditos wonderful fiscal performance.
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/11/08/CampbellPraise/
Maybe AF or some of his 9% friends can refute these numbers with some sort of Liberal spin tactic. LOL ;D
It about time someone told it as it is. When he took over in 2001 from the NDP 1.2 billion surplus now leaving with a 1.2 billion deficit. Also note all the transfer payments he got from Ottawa and the DNP very little. I think AF will have some work to do now, after he reads the link you have posted. ;D ;D ;D
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I see you and Novabonker get your opinions from reading the same left wing Tyee articles.
Why wouldnt a fisherman get their info from "the Tyee" ???
I would bet that when you're standing in the grocery store line reading the tabloids that you believe everything written in them as welll........ ;D ;D
LOL You know I've always thought that batboy was real. ;)
http://weeklyworldnews.com/sports/24054/brock-lesnar-vs-bat-boy/
LMAO
Cmon debate those numbers. 1.2 b + when Gordon walks in the door and 1.2 billion MINUS when he walks out.
Really quite simple. Maybe we just have to wait for the HST to balance things out???
Or perhaps some extra dough will be coming our way from Accenture/BC Rail or perhaps even from some small ROR project.
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Gordo and someone here who shall remain nameless just don't get it. Doesn't matter what the fact is, they just post little smileys along with attempts at humorous comebacks.
Luv GC's last comment on concerns that the negative attitude toward politicians may scare off candidates. The negativism is toward the lies all of which are glossed over. No longer wonder how 9% can still support him after reading the posts here.
Or perhaps big business realizes all the corporate tax cuts is bad for the public so will direct all the dividends to social services.
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Or perhaps some extra dough will be coming our way from Accenture/BC Rail or perhaps even from some small ROR project.
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I see you and Novabonker get your opinions from reading the same left wing Tyee articles.
I would bet that when you're standing in the grocery store line reading the tabloids that you believe everything written in them as welll........ ;D ;D
AGAIN- you question the validity of the information.Prove that it's wrong Something other than the rhetorical response with no meat.
Um, the info came from - two documents: the 2010 British Columbia Financial and Economic Review (70th edition), and the Campbell government's Budget and Fiscal Plan 2010/11 - 2012/13. Both are published by the Ministry of Finance.
Now, next to Pravda,those are pretty left wing publications. ::)
Intelligent debate please.