| Rod: | 9' to 10'6" baitcasting or centerpin rod, rated between 8 and 20lb |
| Reel: | Small baitcasting reels or centerpin reels |
| Main line: | 12 to 15lb test |
| Leader: | 6 to 10lb test |
| Hook: | Size 4 to 2/0 |
Sorry everyone, I haven't had a chance to start this season's thread until now. I'm going to close this one and continue all posts at:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45069.0
That was actually a useful vedder thread that's going to be buried now since you closed it (not sure why). But can you include those posts in this thread since Phronesis actually made the effort to create the thread. Thanks.X2
Continuing from what Jelly was saying, when targeting chinooks most people float fish roe, beads, or wool, but they can also be caught on hardware floated or casted. They can be aggressive at times but I think usually because of where they sit in the run it can be hard to get lures in the right spot.Thanks Darko, I appreciate it! I guess ill have to start hunting down some deep pools for chinooks now ;D
My weather app shows 100 mm of rain until friday. :o Here comes the shitstorm
Just got worse in the last 30 minutes...Muddy, I'll take it though in contrast to last year with no rain and smoky days. The ground being so dry not surprised there's run off colouring up the river instead of absorption
Pretty busy for a Tuesday morning ;DI'm assuming those are the graveyard shift crowd ;)
Just got worse in the last 30 minutes...
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Water cleared up this afternoon.man you're really making me wanna skip class and go cast some lures :o. Beauty coho wow.
(https://i.imgur.com/BnLlD5r.jpg)
man you're really making me wanna skip class and go cast some lures :o. Beauty coho wow.
Is there a spring-chum hybrid now in the river? hooked up one yesterday, about 80cm long and 30cm tall, fights harder than the same size spring bucks, buddy hooked up another one today, the fight was insane…and they jump…never seen this kind of monster before…Wonder what the regulations for that would be ;D
Is there a spring-chum hybrid now in the river? hooked up one yesterday, about 80cm long and 30cm tall, fights harder than the same size spring bucks, buddy hooked up another one today, the fight was insane…and they jump…never seen this kind of monster before…Im assuming chums are in the vedder, but not in great numbers?
Is there a spring-chum hybrid now in the river? hooked up one yesterday, about 80cm long and 30cm tall, fights harder than the same size spring bucks, buddy hooked up another one today, the fight was insane…and they jump…never seen this kind of monster before…
Anyone been to the river last couple of days? Heading out on the weekend (weekend warrior here :/) but heard it's been pretty hit or miss since the rain.
It depends on what you are targeting. The river is choked with chinook salmon after last weekend, so catching them is not an issue throughout the system. Coho salmon fishing is impacted by the abundance of chinook salmon, as well as those who are targeting chinook salmon. Your likelihood of catching coho salmon goes up by staying away from the crowd where the runs are not disturbed.
Anyone been to the river last couple of days? Heading out on the weekend (weekend warrior here :/) but heard it's been pretty hit or miss since the rain.
I hate that line but I agree with the sentiment. Too many people want to be told the exact best time perfect bait whatever which doesn't exist.
It's fishing not catching you goof balls...just get out there and do it
Seems to be pretty tight lipped around here 🤔 lol .
Was a particularly slow day for me today, a few chrome pinks , and some others landing very few coho , smaller that the previous weekend with larger bucks in the flow . Very busy today, not surprising.
Fish are spooked and not willing to even check out a gob of roe going by . We need rain , and plenty of it . Doesn’t look good for that either.
Was a good day nevertheless.
Seems to be pretty tight lipped around here 🤔 lol .
Was a particularly slow day for me today, a few chrome pinks , and some others landing very few coho , smaller that the previous weekend with larger bucks in the flow . Very busy today, not surprising.
Fish are spooked and not willing to even check out a gob of roe going by . We need rain , and plenty of it . Doesn’t look good for that either.
Was a good day nevertheless.
It was pretty good where I was today. The problem is that nobody was tagging their licences after landing their chinooksx2 I have noticed the same
The problem is that the water is low and clear and almost every piece of water is loaded with people that stay all day and bombard the fish from dawn till dusk. I see a lot of long leader fishing and fish being hooked in all parts of their body which really creates chaos when the fish are being played. That stirs up the pool which effects the rest of the fish. Personally, if I think the fish I have on is foul hooked which is usually pretty obvious, I try to break it off. I feel there's no point in putting the fish through any additional stress by playing it to exhaustion. This last week I watched countless people play foul hooked fish them net them and drag them on the rocks prior to releasing them or in a lot of cases bonk the fish before being told that they are not allowed to keep the fish.. 100% correct! The RIVER BARRISTA’S who froth the water by whipping, the long leader dodging the fish are subjected too , the playing of foul hooked fish , all these aspects screw you completely out of any possible success at biting fish , so you unfortunately have to go find water where this isn’t happening to have any success ! The way I see it fixing this will never happen
So it's no wonder people are finding the fish tight lipped!
The problem is that the water is low and clear and almost every piece of water is loaded with people that stay all day and bombard the fish from dawn till dusk. I see a lot of long leader fishing and fish being hooked in all parts of their body which really creates chaos when the fish are being played. That stirs up the pool which effects the rest of the fish. Personally, if I think the fish I have on is foul hooked which is usually pretty obvious, I try to break it off. I feel there's no point in putting the fish through any additional stress by playing it to exhaustion. This last week I watched countless people play foul hooked fish them net them and drag them on the rocks prior to releasing them or in a lot of cases bonk the fish before being told that they are not allowed to keep the fish.I am shocked at how many flossers are out there. Used to be you would see the odd one and you could try to educate. Yesterday I was on a run where I saw at least a dozen guys with 8 -10 ft leaders below their mainline of 3ft. This was in 3 - 4ft of water. Would have needed a bull horn to educate. Frustrating as hell! >:( >:( >:(
So it's no wonder people are finding the fish tight lipped!
Requesting Rodney to put out an educational video and share them in Facebook too, if theres atleast 10 people willing to change thats still some win
It's coming, everything has been in the work with Tourism Chilliwack and DFO, just taking awhile to finish unfortunately. Hopefully the end of this week before Thanksgiving.
I am shocked at how many flossers are out there. Used to be you would see the odd one and you could try to educate. Yesterday I was on a run where I saw at least a dozen guys with 8 -10 ft leaders below their mainline of 3ft. This was in 3 - 4ft of water. Would have needed a bull horn to educate. Frustrating as hell! >:( >:( >:(What is really shocking is people that are shocked on fishing styles on the river. Go to Tamahi this weekend and watch what happens there. Amazed how people can stand on one rock and cast over and over in the same piece of water for a 3 second drift.
I'll even tape off an area and put up "reserved" signs just for you... ;D
Will be out there tomorrow morning I've been to the vedder twice this week ( way more then usual) with decent success I've been seeing quite a few springs still in the lower river.same here fish for a couple hours see what bites..
I'll even tape off an area and put up "reserved" signs just for you... ;D
Just arrived home from a morning at the Vedder. Did I miss the mass evacuation order ? Traffic heading out of town was astounding ! Fished Rodney's taped off area. Had 4 strikes and missed them all. My nephew on the other hand landed 5 and losing 5-7 more.
I taped off the wrong run... ;D
The abundance of coho salmon in the river right now continues to amaze me. Just about every run I've looked at, I've seen coho salmon either schooling together, or a line of coho travelling upstream continuously.
I taped off the wrong run... ;D
The abundance of coho salmon in the river right now continues to amaze me. Just about every run I've looked at, I've seen coho salmon either schooling together, or a line of coho travelling upstream continuously.
Considering the amount of advertisement on this site. I will only believe half of what Rodney says. ..and that's still some pretty good fishing. ;D ;D ;D
It’s sickening how much abuse this fishery gets. >:(
Speaking of abuse, saw a large quite chrome chrome spring in a plastic fish bag lying by the side of the road in the upper area where cars park this morning. Figured someone packed up and accidentally forgot it.
Then later in the day saw the same thing in the canal. A gutted spring in a plastic bag left to rot. In retrospect it seems obvious what's happening. People are keeping springs for the roe then dumping them at the side of the road.
Text the pictures of those to me if you took some.Unfortunately no pics; didnt occur to me until after the fact. Can PM the exact locations though
https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared)
Yep... I had the realtime update while this was happening today lol... I encountered this individual on Monday evening when he attempted to keep a pink salmon he snagged until I told him to put it back. I guess I am more intimidating than Jeff because he did so right away. ;)it's because nobody listens to us young folk we are "young and stupid" most people think ;D
Speaking of abuse, saw a large quite chrome chrome spring in a plastic fish bag lying by the side of the road in the upper area where cars park this morning. Figured someone packed up and accidentally forgot it.
Then later in the day saw the same thing in the canal. A gutted spring in a plastic bag left to rot. In retrospect it seems obvious what's happening. People are keeping springs for the roe then dumping them at the side of the road.
https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared)
Caught one hatchery twitching in a spot with less people eventually.That’s my favourite strategy in peak season: finding the coho hidey holes that are overlooked by drift anglers: log jams, backwaters/frog water, little areas of refuge out of the main current… And often that involves putting some kms on your boots to seek those areas out. But once you find them, you generally have them to yourself without the bombardment of soft beads, and you can tease the fish out with jigs.
https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared)
Fishing pressure is high but that doesn't always mean everything is up to no good. Majority of the anglers will play by the rules. It's what's being done away from the crowds that is more concerning. I got reports of spawning pink salmon being poached in large numbers (snagging, even having a smoker set up by their RVs) at Centennial Channel in the upper watershed where no anglers would go up to. That information was passed onto my contacts at C&P last night and they checked the area today. No smokers could be found but there was evidence of snagging of pink salmon for sure.Unbelievable. I wonder about spots like this all the time when walking my dog in similar spots, just haven't run into it yet.
https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/k1ZqmDy2VOs?feature=shared)
Expect the gong show to continue on the Chilliwack river. DFO did a fish count on the Stave and only recorded a single chum. Chehalis has extremely low water conditions and looks like a creek instead of a river. Dewdney slough has no water either only on a high tide a little water flows into the slough then flows back out on the receding tide. Normally the other systems will spread out the anglers not so this year. Get used to the shoulder to shoulder fishing untill the end of the season cause the Vedder is the only game in town.
Expect the gong show to continue on the Chilliwack river. DFO did a fish count on the Stave and only recorded a single chum. Chehalis has extremely low water conditions and looks like a creek instead of a river. Dewdney slough has no water either only on a high tide a little water flows into the slough then flows back out on the receding tide. Normally the other systems will spread out the anglers not so this year. Get used to the shoulder to shoulder fishing untill the end of the season cause the Vedder is the only game in town.
the last few years have been different. their is more people and way less water. the more people part i dont care about but the current drought is worrisome. hope this is not a trend that continues. fish population will suffer if the current trend continues. the island is also experiencing similar events. a few weeks back they had to shuttle expiring pinks at the indian river because it was no longer flowing.
would like to hear from old timers if this is something they have experienced in the past. certainly has not been like this in the last 15 years i have been fishing. Never fished the canal before where i could see the bottom of very run with ease. i walked the hole dyke and could not find a patch of water deep enough where i couldn't see the bottom. speaking of the canal bottom, whats it going to take to get all the tires out of there.
was refreshing fishing up north where the rivers had actual water.
Yes, the beak holes just keep getting busier and busier.
But there are miles and miles of pocket rifle water that nobody is fishing. I was out again this morning at first light. I left at 930. Not a single person was even near me except one person across the river which was inaccessible to where I was.
6lb wild released on about the 10th cast after 1st light, and bonked a 5lb hatchery for dinner just after 8AM....lost 3 others that were unquestionably Coho.
I'm short floating riffle/pocket water.....that's it. I haven't gone anywhere near the beak holes.
As for your inquiry to comparing the past.....the only difference is that the beak holes used to be less cluttered. That's it. The pocket/riffle water is the same as it was 30 years ago. No one seems to want to fish it....and like I said....there are no Springs in the small water.....just Coho.
Do you want the crowd to join you? let them be. It is good for both the fish and angles like you.
Yes, the beak holes just keep getting busier and busier.
But there are miles and miles of pocket rifle water that nobody is fishing. I was out again this morning at first light. I left at 930. Not a single person was even near me except one person across the river which was inaccessible to where I was.
6lb wild released on about the 10th cast after 1st light, and bonked a 5lb hatchery for dinner just after 8AM....lost 3 others that were unquestionably Coho.
I'm short floating riffle/pocket water.....that's it. I haven't gone anywhere near the beak holes.
As for your inquiry to comparing the past.....the only difference is that the beak holes used to be less cluttered. That's it. The pocket/riffle water is the same as it was 30 years ago. No one seems to want to fish it....and like I said....there are no Springs in the small water.....just Coho.
so in your experience, you have seen watersheds this low. the chehalis is a creek, weaver spawning channel currently has no water in it, indian river briefly stop flowing, nicomen slough has no water on low tides, harrison bay gone, etc, etc, etc. this has nothing to with fishing. im strictly talking about habitat loss because of the lack of actual water.
i know in my 15 years i have not.
this time of year i'd be fishing harrison bay for coho and camping at kibly and fishing the canal that was usually un crossable.
i still have cherry tomatoes in my back yard that are still producing. its half way through october.
hopefully i am wrong and the rains come before the freezing level drops but i doubt it. i think it could rain all of november and still not make a dent in raising harrison lake.
We are definitely short on ground water...no argument there.
As for the Chehalis....even back in it's prime, I didn't fish it until after Oct 15th...and back then it always rained by that date. Low water was rarely an issue.
The even bigger problem now is that the main river doesn't flow past the hatchery....which wouldn't have been a problem even then, because I used to bonk wild fish in the canyon (legally of course)....sometimes we could catch 20 or more a day. My younger years of hiking into the canyon are behind me and I can't find much for reliable info whether or not the hatchery fish go up there much. Maybe you know better.
In regards to the Vedder river levels.....it's not at a critical stage yet. The fish can easily move and get to where they need to be.
I still have beefsteaks, cucumbers, peppers, and a few strawberries. Love it.
It's El Nino. The chances of an early freeze are about next to 0%. Although.....it could be a dry winter which isn't good either.
the sungold cherries tomatoes
45 years fishing the local region 2 rivers. Never has it been low water like this. October was always a very rainy month in years gone by. It’s mid October and we are having shorts and t-shirt weather today. My wife’s roses in the backyard are still blooming. I am hoping this is a blip and more normal conditions return again.
would like to hear from old timers if this is something they have experienced in the past. certainly has not been like this in the last 15 years i have been fishing.
I just picked a bowl this afternoon. Whoever invented Sungold Cherry Tomatoes deserves a prize. There is nothing in the world like them.
Expect the gong show to continue on the Chilliwack river. DFO did a fish count on the Stave and only recorded a single chum. Chehalis has extremely low water conditions and looks like a creek instead of a river. Dewdney slough has no water either only on a high tide a little water flows into the slough then flows back out on the receding tide. Normally the other systems will spread out the anglers not so this year. Get used to the shoulder to shoulder fishing untill the end of the season cause the Vedder is the only game in town.
Expect the gong show to continue on the Chilliwack river. DFO did a fish count on the Stave and only recorded a single chum. Chehalis has extremely low water conditions and looks like a creek instead of a river. Dewdney slough has no water either only on a high tide a little water flows into the slough then flows back out on the receding tide. Normally the other systems will spread out the anglers not so this year. Get used to the shoulder to shoulder fishing untill the end of the season cause the Vedder is the only game in town.
A few made it to the hatchery, now they can be safely transported to the fish plant. ;)Looks like the Orcas will be starving again, better send them back to the ocean not the plant.
https://youtube.com/shorts/01O98WgcatE
One chum…seriously? Always wondered why the hatcheries here mostly only produce chinook and coho, but not chum…chums take so little from the rivers but bring back so much, their roes have so much higher economies values, and some chums caught in sea are the most expensive salmon selling at higher $ than bluefin tuna…
the latest data I can find on line for 2021,total chum fry releases from hatcheries was 5.7 million for the V/C, Chehalis, Harrison, Inch Creek and Alouette. The biggest release was the Chehalis/Harrison (4.1 million), The V/C (1 million) Inch creek (0.8 million) and Alouette (0.4 million).
Source: https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/index-eng.html
Seems considerable to me. Overall the history of hatchery supplements in FV is that chum have been enhanced the most primarily because they were so easy to do.
the 2023 plan releases for the same streams looks to be 4.9 million. The V/C is the same. Alouette and inch Creek declined somewhat but not by 45%You're right, the 45% was over 2 years. Production was reduced by 25% in 2022, the remaining 20% is proposed for 2023.
source: https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/index-eng.html
Like Rodney said plenty of coho in the river, however getting them to bite is the problem. Because of the low water the fish are constantly getting snagged or flossed, which puts them off the bite. Only hooked one coho today.hopefully the rains this week will help.
Just watched Rod's latest video about fishing for coho with spoons and couldn't help but wonder if a trailing hook would improve the landing ratio. Anyone else use a trailing hook or was that only popular for a couple years?
Just watched Rod's latest video about fishing for coho with spoons and couldn't help but wonder if a trailing hook would improve the landing ratio. Anyone else use a trailing hook or was that only popular for a couple years?I use it since seeing it posted on this site. Has improved my landing ratio greatly. Even the ones I lose stay on the hook longer.
Honestly after trying all the tricks to help with keeping fish buttoned I have found using the supplied hooks just as good. Now in saying that I fish spinners and spoons that already have have decent to very good quality hooks. Do they require some sharpening? YES, and I believe that is the biggest factor. I hardly see anyone with a file on the river and believe more people would find better success if they filed a hook once in awhile.
I find myself prepping for coho in the garage by filing every hook on my spoons and spinners. and when new ones are purchased they get a file before use. my file stays in a handy pocket and sharpened after each fish or hangup. This and other factors when playing fish has upped the ratio for me and far better than just changing out hooks for something "better"
How was the fishing ?
why does the hydrograph keep going up when it stopped raining hours ago :o. Hopefully conditions are good at first light
why does the hydrograph keep going up when it stopped raining hours ago :o. Hopefully conditions are good at first light
How was the fishing ?
Like psd1179 said, up river rainfall. Remember the vedder is fed from chilliwack lake and it’s a long way up past the hatchery.
The river has begun to drop but still above Wednesday’s peak high water mark. I’ve convinced myself it’s going to be chocolate milk this morning and saving myself the gas and disappointment. It’s possible it could improve to being fishable by early afternoon. If I wouldn’t have to be on the road by 1 I would consider heading out but those are not the cards I’m dealt.
wow some coloured coho there. Nothing crazy but still odd to see with all the rain.Makes sense for the area I was fishing. I see usually a near 50/50 split between chrome and a kindof dull silver in there. Also once the fish spends some time sitting in the water they look like they do in the photo. The top two looked much brighter when they were first caught.
Good job Darko, need some lessons from you, all im getting is wild this season, it was opposite last year where I only got hatchery coho and just one wild
lol last year I was 50:50 on vedder……1 hatchery and 1 wild😂
How is this season going?
My season has been a bit frustrating plenty of bobber downs but keeping them hooked is a different story....how are you set up? All of my fish were caught on a pegged bead. If the float goes down fully they will be hooked well in the corner and will be difficult to escape. I have found Coho fights to not be that interesting so far. Similar to pinks I've caught in the Fraser or furry creek. Although, I haven't caught any over 6 lb.
how are you set up? All of my fish were caught on a pegged bead. If the float goes down fully they will be hooked well in the corner and will be difficult to escape. I have found Coho fights to not be that interesting so far. Similar to pinks I've caught in the Fraser or furry creek. Although, I haven't caught any over 6 lb.
The fishing is ok. Too cold.
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Much less fish than previous weeks. Released two wilds. The peace in exploring new areas was delightful. It was indeed cold, I spent 1/4 of the time fishing and 3/4 by the fire .Still sounds like a good day.....
I got 9 wilds and 1 hatchery this season, im doing something wrong to irk the wilds.
I noticed this years' Coho is on the smaller side compared to last two seasons, so the fights might not 'feel' great unless you have ultralight setup but cant risk it due to chum in the system too
That's a troubling thought... ;D
Rain is coming, better get out there today, maybe tomorrow morning, but might be too late by then.
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Sounds like this weekend is going to be unfishable...and probably there won't be anything left afterPerfect. I hope everyone thinks like this too...
I saved these from the upcoming atmospheric river this morning.
I saved these from the upcoming atmospheric river this morning.
Saturday is expected to see a larger amount of rain than last night. This November looks like it will be a more normal iteration than last year.yes been thinking of trying out the stave. The problem for me is finding the coho because there’s always so many chum around.
How do you think I feel my freezer every year? one quick stop on the river with my costume and I am set until next season.time to change your username, chums are closed to targeting ;D
Are we done this year??My group got 2 jacks, 1 adult today (3 people including myself, all bullets). Definitely had to put in the work today and know what you are doing though. Rain tonight definitely won't help the cause.
My group got 2 jacks, 1 adult today (3 including myself, all bullets). Definitely had to put in the work today and know what you are doing though. Rain tonight definitely won't help the cause.
Here's a peek at how many coho salmon are sitting in the fish way at the hatchery right now, about 5,000 of them.
I had a brief conversation with the operation manager. He mentioned that the number of chinook salmon arrived at the hatchery was about 20k. In a few weeks from now, he and I will do a video with some final numbers and answers to questions that I've been getting this season.
Last coho salmon traffic jam of the season.
https://youtube.com/shorts/HIg7a-KzCT0
are they still taking brood stock? Are most of those fish hatchery coho?
Coho spawning at the Chilliwack River Hatchery is done in several stages between October and December. The next and last one is happening in just over a week from now.That's awesome they're spreading it out over a few months, you'd assume more late returns of their spawn by the fish taken in December.