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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: cohokid on October 09, 2005, 06:33:47 PM
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well hit the cap agian. got 8 coho my buddie got 3 and lost 3 and i lost aobut 10 :'( we also got a pink each and spring each.
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they call me coho kid for a reason ;)lol jk
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Very nice!! :D
The coho kid is now the coho king! :)
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He is all grown up now. Next handle should be "Cohoman"
Nice job... friends has been telling me to try the caps but too lazy to go that way.
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nice fish.. im jealous.. you catch that on the fly?
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More like a Salish Fly >:(
Nice fish, too bad you had to hook them that way >:(
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More like a Salish Fly >:(
Nice fish, too bad you had to hook them that way >:(
Hey doug, were you there. ::)
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Hero to zero, that was faster than the career of a pre-fabricated pop star ;)
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Why since you asked, yes I was there!!
Keith Road pool on the Taylor Way side across from coho hero himself
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hey, imnot the one with a 4 foot leader and 15 feet from the float to the wieght.
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Four foot leader? LOL I fished with blades and a 12 to 18 inch leader. Besides, your technique worked quite well without a long float ::) ::)
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hey , i hade about 5 feet to my float and i could see tha i wasnt even tapping the bottom. i would set when the float did a slight dipp.
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Sounds very defensive. Can you say Busted ?
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SO were these fish taking your presentation kid or were their tails and fins enjoy the wool too?
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Gee, 5 feet to the float when your fishing a tailout that's only 4 feet? Give it up. I'm generally a very tolerant person when it comes to things like this but what irked me was that you had the gall to brag about on this board. I don't care whether people bottom bounce or whether they use long leaders etc.. I do have an issue with people trying to snag and you my friend made the people fishing down by the reserve look like rookies. And btw to the older gentleman that was fishing with you, a fish that is coming in sideways with the hook in its belly is NOT BONKABLE but I guess you guys did not hear us yelling from the other side ::) ::)
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oh snap!!
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Thats funny that you guys are sayin all this stuff about cohokid because obviesly you are wrong. I was right next to cohokid myslef and saw his float about a foot and a little off the bottom like you fish for coho. When i was watchin his float as i was pre-tyin i saw the bigger coho of his bunch strike, as cohokids float went under, when he braught it in the hook was in its mouth, so i dont know what your talkin about Doug. Doug is half correct about 2 snagged fish, as i saw cohokid bring them in, i helped him unhook the fish and let it on its way.
About the older gent, it actually wasnt in the belly at all but near the gills and up. (which is leagal to my undertandings) So im quick not sure where your gettin to this doug, but im pretty sure that we did the wrong thing unlike some other ppl on the other side that were keepin snaged coho in the back, and even a pink.
Tight lines
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some spelling mistakes
but im pretty sure that we did the wrong thing unlike some other ppl on the other side that were keepin snaged coho in the back, and even a pink
but im pretty sure that we didnt do the wrong thing unlike some other ppl on the other side that were keepin snaged coho in the back, and even a pink
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About the older gent, it actually wasnt in the belly at all but near the gills and up. (which is leagal to my undertandings) So im quick not sure where your gettin to this doug, but im pretty sure that we did the wrong thing unlike some other ppl on the other side that were keepin snaged coho in the back, and even a pink.
Since when do fish eat with their gill plates?
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o well that was the old guy.
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this is getting interesting :o
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So SpringKing that was you next to Cohokid? Don't be too proud since you were trying to do the same thing only Cohokid was much better at it. In fact I can say he was the top rod on the river. As for people on our side keeping fouled fish, I only saw one coho kept and fouled from someone fishing the tailout and I believe someone from the group above said something about it. I even waited and sure enough he fouled another. I had my camera with me waiting to snap a pic if he decided to keep another but alas he lost the fish.
Its not about how long your float is or how far off the bottom your hook is its all about the rip and setting hard at the same spot every drift ::)
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why would someone keep .. a snaged coho i personally think that doug .. didnt catch as many fish as he wanted so hes a little angry
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well from this discussion we know that one snagged salmon was kept. If you look at the regulations, you cannot keep a foul hooked fish even if it is mortally wounded. And the point is to try to keep people from snagging salmon because of the serious injury that can be done to the fish.
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yes but it wasnt me that kept a foul hooked salmon.
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Its not about how long your float is or how far off the bottom your hook is its all about the rip and setting hard at the same spot every drift ::)
I saw exactly the same thing by a couple of fishermen where I was fishing. The guy was "setting the hook" at the end of every cast. Funny he didn't catch any this morning.
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why would someone keep .. a snaged coho i personally think that doug .. didnt catch as many fish as he wanted so hes a little angry
LOL, that takes the cake!! Were you there stinkytroutboy? I could care less whether I caught any fish today. I just fish because I enjoy it, crowds or no crowds. How often do you see me bragging about how I did?
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why would someone keep .. a snaged coho i personally think that doug .. didnt catch as many fish as he wanted so hes a little angry
LOL, that takes the cake!! Were you there stinkytroutboy? I could care less whether I caught any fish today. I just fish because I enjoy it, crowds or no crowds. How often do you see me bragging about how I did?
LOL becasue you never caught anything to brag about :P
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spring king that was just weak... if you are as good at fishing as you are at dissing people your comment goes right back at you
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dont be hatin.. haha.. im totally confused but whatever. you can't really claim something your not sure about.. but I never knew that you could keep fish hooked gill plate up.. I managed to hook a fish's eye once.. somehow.. I let it go.. I didnt know what to do.. haha.. anyways I only keep fish hooked straight in the mouth, other wise I just let it go.. thats what i was taught :P
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I guess I'll make a few comments before we end this thread, which is very soon.
Spring King, I take it you're a relative of Cohokid as both your messages are originated from the same location. I try my best to stay away from judging how people fish, but I choose to provide people information and allow them to make the decisions themselves. After reading through this thread a couple of times, my only problem sits on the fact that you believe a fish hooked anywhere from the gill plate up can be legally kept.
I've personally known Doug for a couple of years, and fished with him a few times. He's also very involved in fishery projects and both of us have worked together in the past including the upcoming Help Habitat Fundraiser, therefore I take his words very seriously. Doug is generally a very mellow guy, so it takes a lot for him to become very vocal. In this case, obviously he is very concerned about what he saw.
If an angler decides to keep a fish knowing that it is not hooked in the mouth but above the gill plates, wouldn't he be keeping a fish that is snagged? I think the issue that is being questioned here is not where the fish were hooked, but the intention of the fishermen. If a whole bunch of fish are being brought in and some have the hook near the mouth, some have the hook in the mouth, some have the hook near the gill plate, some have the hook on other parts of the body, then the technique may need to be questioned. Of course some fish are caught after being enticed by the presentation on the hook, but does the technique need to be changed to reduce the frequency of foul hooked fish? It's not so much about how long the leader is, how deep a person is fishing, but how you intend to catch them. The hard jerk of the rod at the end of each drift is unnecessary.
I've seen that being done too often on the Vedder this season. I avoid confronting this issue as I like to leave the legality of one's fishing technique to the enforcement officers. Call me a purist, but when I fish I enjoy the satisfaction knowing that a fish is hooked cleanly as it pulls that float down. I don't want to bring in a fish and assess where that hook is on the head then decide whether it is keepable or not. It is a personal choice that you have to live with. That is exactly why I am not a participant in the sockeye fishery, which would contradict my above view towards fishing.
I don't think Doug is judging Cohokid's conduct as a person. I've met cohokid once in person and he is indeed a well mannered kid, who enjoys fishing a lot. I think Doug's anger stems from what he saw on the river and in this report. He and I both wish for the same thing, which is to see the young generations learning fishing the proper way during their growth. He first pm'ed me regarding his concern, as he did not want to draw attention to you cohokid. I told him to address his concerns here as there appears to be a problem at this particular location based on recent reports. My approach of addressing the concerns would probably be a bit different to his. ;) Personally, in the last ten years, while fishing during the bait ban period, the most I've HOOKED in one day (on spoons) was four coho, even with hundreds of fish flopping all over my pool.
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A question away from the argument. The rule that you cannot keep a fish foul hooked even if its mortaly founded. What if a situation accurse where you foul hook a fish bring it out and its a smaller pink lets say so the hook might of damaged one of its internal organs and you see exesive bleeding and when you go to realease the fish its not swimming away and floating belly up. :( If you just leave the fish dead on the beach arent you really breaking the other law of waisting the catch?. Personaly i havent been in this situation but sometimes whne it does happen and i realise the fish i wonder about this lol.
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Even if the fish were to die, letting it go would be the legal thing to do in any case. Being caught with a fish that was fatally injured, but illegal to keep would just mean that you had an illegal fish if questioned by the DFO. Even explaining it well would still not deter from the fact that an illegal catch was in your possesion.
The coho's on the capilano have never been super easy to catch in my years of fishing there and to here that someone has 18 fish on at one point is suspect. Maybe there 's a new breed of super fishing kid out there now, the Sidney Crosby of fishing, but it's unlikely. It's sad to see this "single hook snagging" thing going on, but i guess it's become an option for some anglers. I hope it gets better soon.
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You raise a reasonable point Floater. But the problem is - it would be far to easy to abuse by dishonest anglers. You would see too many people intentionally snagging fish - then claiming the fish were fatally injured. I don't mean to by cynical - but I've seen lots of poor behaviour out there - as I'm sure you all have...
Back to the Cap - are any guys getting fish on the fly? I know of a fly pattern that is supposed to be deadly for Cap coho... ;)
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yeahh i didnt but some lady got like 6 on the fly
but she landed 3
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Well Coho Kid..or whatever your handle is...I would like to challenge everyone reading this thread, and everyone else out there that may "jerk" the rod while river fishing, when the float dips, etc... to try a different method of fishing. Not to say that float fishing is the problem, but based on what I saw yesterday, there were 1000's of anglers on the Vedder, and even those that were "anglng" couldn't help but snag sometimes as the float disappeared, as their fish were foul hooked sometimes.
Personally, I witnessed at the spot I was "fishing", 5 times as many fish purposefully snapped off and I don't call that SPORTING!!!
Reasons that I can think of as to why anglers would break off fish as deemed to be "acceptable" to the masses on the river seem to read something like this....
***PERSONALLY THOUGH**** if one is "angling" or "sportsfishing" I believe that an angler should "land" the fish, and not break it off when it goes to a lower pool, runs down/up river, or starts peeling off line.
1. BREAK it off if it's going to cost you your "spot"
2. BREAK it off if it is "foul hooked" and leave the hooks, line, and leader in fish--that's a form of "wounding" a fish in my opinion.
3. BREAK it off if you have to "disrupt" too many "anglers"
4. BREAK it off if you see "fit" for whatever reason---"this one is too black---this one is too small for keeping etc...
I am proud to say that I have never willfully "broken off" a fish unless a seal or sea lion or whale, was in the process of "consuming" the fish.
Personally, if one is "angling" and being "sporting" one would do what they could to "get the gear back" and not leave the fish to have a six foot piece of floss streaming from it's mouth, or other part of the body.
Just my opinion, and I believe a few people will take issue with that...but you "fish" your way...I'll fish mine..and maybe it's best that the "anglers" who break fish off in that way NOT try fishing in the ocean---it would just foul things up for most of the guys out there that are truly deserving of a "sporting" experience.
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Fishing magician. your the first person to say that. and I'm with you a 100%.. Ive never wilfully broken my line before.. but on saturday.. my dad hooked a chum on its back somehow.. even with a short leader and the float wasnt too deep at the stave..... well he was reeling it in again the flow.. which made it even harder.. he didn't know what to do.. so I had to wade out a lil far and unhooked it.. some would call it impossible.. but I think the fish will live to spawn with out a hook in it's back carried with weight and a float.
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Thank You Very Much for recognizing that.
Not to say that sea going salmon anglers are a squeaky clean angling fundamentalists, but I would like to think that I conduct myself in a morally, ethically, and conservation minded manner out there. :)
tight lines to "sporting" anglers out there.
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THAT IS WHY I DO NO FISH THE CAPILANO THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. I DO SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT FISH THE RIVER AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME TIMES THEY COME HOME WITHOUT ANY FISH. ITS NOT THAT THEY DID NOT HOOKED ANY BUT MORE THEY ARE MOSTLY FOUL HOOKED. I CAN VENTURE TO SAY THAT A MAJORITY OF THE FISH ARE FOUL HOOKED AT THE CAPILANO.
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You raise a reasonable point Floater. But the problem is - it would be far to easy to abuse by dishonest anglers. You would see too many people intentionally snagging fish - then claiming the fish were fatally injured. I don't mean to by cynical - but I've seen lots of poor behaviour out there - as I'm sure you all have...
I totally agree. By allowing anglers to keep bleeding fish would only set up another loop hole where unethical fishermen would use to keep snagged fish.
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I think we've said it all now.