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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: HARLEY on March 29, 2008, 01:01:39 PM
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I wonder if there are Pro`s and Con`s to this new method? Will a plain piece of paper last a year in your wallet? If a angler is fishing and it is raining and you take out your paper license to record a fish, how will the paper stand up to the weather? If you can print off more than one license ,what would stop a person from recording fish on more than one license?
Just Some Of My Thoughts,
harley
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what would stop a person from recording fish on more than one license?
Printing spare copies is what people do-in terms of cheating that's always happened if a person filled a license then they just went and bought another one.
So it's become cheaper for cheaters but the simple fact is that few people catch 30 Spring Salmon in a year-very few.
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It ROCKS.
Online licensing is great. last year needed my liscence and was too busy to get it (salt) during the day so i did it the night before i went out. WAY more convenient, we don't have to go to the tackle shop/crappy tire/gas station to find out that they are out of stock. Plus, you can print extra copies, keep one in your truck, one in your tacklebox, one in your wallet, one in your wifes purse in case you take her car and forget your wallet, one at home, and one in your boat. You're covered!
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The main advantage is that it is easy to get. No waiting in lineups etc. You can print extra copy to put in your wallet, vest, car etc. Don't know whether your personal information is secure. That is my main concern.
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LOL few people catch 30 springs in a year? LMAO You're joking right? If any angler with a little common sense were to actually try and target springs 30 is a very easily attainable number Id say.
Birdman hooks into 30-40 some days under KWB...they love the green wool.
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LOL few people catch 30 springs in a year? LMAO You're joking right? If any angler with a little common sense were to actually try and target springs 30 is a very easily attainable number Id say.
Birdman hooks into 30-40 some days under KWB...they love the green wool.
Lmao oh danny......... :D :D :D
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The point of stopping people from recording more fish than allowed is a valid one.
I don't think the DFO has really thought this one through.
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The point of stopping people from recording more fish than allowed is a valid one.
I don't think the DFO has really thought this one through.
People can do that now too.....they just don't record the fish at all. I was speaking to a government agent yesterday about it and he told me they were considering phasing out the old "paper" way entirely because this way helps keep track of users better. And in regards to the security of it, what makes you think purchasing with a credit card at a store is any more secure? There is always cash I guess but who carries THAT stuff anymore? ;)
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But only dishonest people would cheat the system, so it shouldn't be a problem for most people.
Maybe its time to put a tag system in place... you get 1 tag at a time, and only get a new one when the old one is dropped off? Or make them catch and release only (i would rather see that anyways as they taste better from the grocery store)
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Actually I have found that most tackle stores do not want to take any kind of a credit card for a license purchase because of the fee that they have to pay--so--if fact when we are buying our license on line with a credit card ,where is that added fee for useing a card going? Just a thought because nothing in this life is actually free.
harley
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Why should I need a Credit Card to fish? I don't plan on getting a credit card any time soon and the government doesn't seem too concerned with printing out surcharge stamps so what am I to do? Poach?
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Hey Deon,no worries,They are already out at the tackle store.Me and leapy steelie bought it yesterday with all the surcharge stamps on.So go get it ;)
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If you have a question or feedback regarding the freshwater online licensing system, then contact them:
Phone: 1-877-855-3222
Monday to Friday
8:30 am to 4:30 pm
Pacific Time
Email: frontcounterbc@gov.bc.ca
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If you have a question or feedback regarding the freshwater online licensing system, then contact them:
Phone: 1-877-855-3222
Monday to Friday
8:30 am to 4:30 pm
Pacific Time
Email: frontcounterbc@gov.bc.ca
This is true, and a good thing to do also--But--then how would the rest of us know how other anglers feel about what is happening?
harley
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Provide the feedbacks and questions to the ministry, AND paste a copy of it in this thread. ;)
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I think that it is great that some people have such faith in our ministry and that some think that someone there really cares about what we think--as a old retired angler I am sorry but I do not share the faith--I think the idea is great though--does anyone have anyone in mind that we as anglers could send our questions or thoughts to that may give us a reply, other than a general address-- I wonder if the remarks from us would just go into general revenue like our money goes into.I am not a negative person--I just rarely see any results.I realize that this statement leaves me totally open to remarks--but--one thing I think that we still have left so far is freedom of speech and remarks.Some may not like them--but we are still entitled to them--aren`t we?
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Absolutely. My original suggestion was not an intention to discourage people providing feedbacks publicly. The advantage of discussions such as this allow opinions being expressed and many times participants learn from others' view point. The disadvantage is that often good points are never delivered beyond these webpages so they are not put to use. That's why I always encourage users to express the same thoughts to those who manage the resource so actions can be taken.
Process is indeed slow and frustrating at times when it involves government agencies, but I think people seem to underestimate how much is being done behind the scene. To make these processes more transparent to the public, those who are voluntarily involved in the consultation processes with the government often post the progress on discussion forums like this one. Keep in mind that not everything can be posted to prevent misinformation overtime, but we do our best to make it available immediately when it can be.
Many resource managing staff, both provincial and federal, also browse through these pages because many of them also fish. I can't provide specific email contact to individual staff, mostly for privacy reasons. Anyone can access these pages so most of the time I will only be able to provide a generic contact.
I hope that clarifies a few things. :)
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Absolutely. My original suggestion was not an intention to discourage people providing feedbacks publicly. The advantage of discussions such as this allow opinions being expressed and many times participants learn from others' view point. The disadvantage is that often good points are never delivered beyond these webpages so they are not put to use. That's why I always encourage users to express the same thoughts to those who manage the resource so actions can be taken.
Process is indeed slow and frustrating at times when it involves government agencies, but I think people seem to underestimate how much is being done behind the scene. To make these processes more transparent to the public, those who are voluntarily involved in the consultation processes with the government often post the progress on discussion forums like this one. Keep in mind that not everything can be posted to prevent misinformation overtime, but we do our best to make it available immediately when it can be.
Many resource managing staff, both provincial and federal, also browse through these pages because many of them also fish. I can't provide specific email contact to individual staff, mostly for privacy reasons. Anyone can access these pages so most of the time I will only be able to provide a generic contact.
I hope that clarifies a few things. :)
Very Well Stated Rodney----But--I do have a direct question for you--Is the online program for obtaining licenses a good thing or not--This question can be only answered with a yes or no.I hope that this also will clarify my basic original wonderings because I for one am very undeceided and I tend to say that it is not a good thing.I can not really express any more reasons than I have already stated,I just do not like the idea.As far as writing my thoughts or ideas to a common address, I will not do it.I would want a name and a reply.I will not waste my time writing to a agencie that quite likely will not even reply to me.These is just my thoughts, but I have been fishing the lower mainland all my life and buying fishing licenses and hunting licenses every year and I am going to be 64 in August, and there are many things that do not seem to be changeing other than than the slope of the down hill slide.It seems that you may have more faith than me.Privacy reasons mean nothing to me as I have nothing to hide.If we in fact have people in the resource staff that we are paying the wages for, and do not want to be adressed, maybe they should find another type of work.After all has been said and done, I am a tax payer and help to pay their wages,and I doubt that there are to many of them making minimum wage.
Just My Thoughts,
harley
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Why should I need a Credit Card to fish? I don't plan on getting a credit card any time soon and the government doesn't seem too concerned with printing out surcharge stamps so what am I to do? Poach?
I can't see them getting rid of paper licenses entirely for that reason....also, you'd have to own a computer to fish too.....I can't see it happening anytime soon.
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Why should I need a Credit Card to fish? I don't plan on getting a credit card any time soon and the government doesn't seem too concerned with printing out surcharge stamps so what am I to do? Poach?
I can't see them getting rid of paper licenses entirely for that reason....also, you'd have to own a computer to fish too.....I can't see it happening anytime soon.
Apparently they will be setting up terminals in some shops on a trial basis. I believe they have set one up on the island but I have no idea where the others are.
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If online requires you to have a credit card to purchase the license, it discriminates and is not fair to people who don't have them. The price of the license has only gone up, so I would suppose somewhere in the price of the license was the cost to distribute them.
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Why should I need a Credit Card to fish? I don't plan on getting a credit card any time soon and the government doesn't seem too concerned with printing out surcharge stamps so what am I to do? Poach?
When you're old enough to drive you'll need a credit card-maybe your parents can sign something for you. ::)
If online requires you to have a credit card to purchase the license, it discriminates and is not fair to people who don't have them. The price of the license has only gone up, so I would suppose somewhere in the price of the license was the cost to distribute them.
That's a stretch-credit cards are an every day fact of life in this society and no one can seriously claim discrimination because they are refused a car rental or ferry reservation or hotel room because they are too slack assed to sign up.
Even if you're too young or a deadbeat you can get the kind that allow you to load them up with a couple hundred bucks-can't rent a car with those but they are usually OK for small purchases/reservations.
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at this point i think on line licensing is not a bad thing as long as they don't do away with the over the counter paper license or make sure all retailers have a terminal in store to sell licenses ,from what i have been told on line licensing is being done to make it easier for people to purchase them ,if so then they should be made available at all existing outlets and cash as well as credit and interact cards should all be acceptable methods of payment.i do have many questions on how the system is going to work and when they inevitably do get answered i may like the new system,but then again depending on the answers i may not like it at all,time will tell.
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...from what i have been told on line licensing is being done to make it easier for people to purchase them ,
Not at all true, the Govt does this to reduce their costs-pushing paper costs money-a lot more money than a smoothly functioning Internet purchasing system.
The idea of an in store terminal defeats this and is dumb as a bag of hammers IMO.
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yes you are right part of the reason is to reduce cost on paper,but to my understanding ,and this is coming from the source that the freshwaters fishery society lead by Brian Chan had allot to do with the new licensing system being implemented.as far as in store terminals,yes installing them originally will be costly,but in the long run they will pay for themselves,especially if license sales do increase,which by the way is the mandate of the freshwater society,the main question is where would the money come from to set up these terminals,easy access to everyone and the hope to increase sales is what is driving the freshwater society in this manner due to the fact that all money from freshwater licenses goes directly to the freshwater fishery society to enhance existing and develop new fishing opportunities,as for what motivates the gov ,does anyone really ever know.
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I think its a great system; quick to fill out and I can print off a couple of copies for my different vests.
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Why should I need a Credit Card to fish? I don't plan on getting a credit card any time soon and the government doesn't seem too concerned with printing out surcharge stamps so what am I to do? Poach?
When you're old enough to drive you'll need a credit card-maybe your parents can sign something for you. ::)
If online requires you to have a credit card to purchase the license, it discriminates and is not fair to people who don't have them. The price of the license has only gone up, so I would suppose somewhere in the price of the license was the cost to distribute them.
That's a stretch-credit cards are an every day fact of life in this society and no one can seriously claim discrimination because they are refused a car rental or ferry reservation or hotel room because they are too slack assed to sign up.
Even if you're too young or a deadbeat you can get the kind that allow you to load them up with a couple hundred bucks-can't rent a car with those but they are usually OK for small purchases/reservations.
Well I am 41 never had a credit card due to the fact the criminal interest the charge and the temptation to get something I don't really need, still able to get a mortgage, vehicle loan and function quite well without them, unlike many people I know up to their ying yang in debt because they can not handle these things and unlike myself, they have no money in the bank, will never get a car or home loan because they have to much credit card debt and numerous cards.
Maybe if retailers got more of a cut from license sales more places would sell them. Other than the two Wal Marts in Surrey, who else sells them? Canadian Tire stopped about 3 or 4 years back.
I can and have functioned in life quite nicely without those scourges on society aka credit cards, even when I have gone to Hawaii, Cuba and Iceland.
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...from what i have been told on line licensing is being done to make it easier for people to purchase them ,
Not at all true, the Govt does this to reduce their costs-pushing paper costs money-a lot more money than a smoothly functioning Internet purchasing system.
The idea of an in store terminal defeats this and is dumb as a bag of hammers IMO.
Actually Sam Salmon that statement is true. Online licensing has been developed to make it easier for anglers to obtain a license. As well as to provide data on who is buying licenses in BC and from where. Its just one way they are currently addressing the decline in freshwater angling in our province. Right now paper licenses just get dumped in a storage room. Electronic licensing will provide data on who is buying licenses and from where.
Like you said yourself, placing terminals in stores would not reduce the cost, but this is not the main objective of e-licensing.
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I thought that I would try this new service just to see how easy it actually was and I was impressed. It was very easy to do and alot faster then going to a store. So this is definatley quick and easy.
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i went to reactions to buy my new license and tags....no can do, so they set me up through their computer and now i have a flimsy copy of this years license. i have a feeling the first time i go to write a fish down while its raining, i'm gonna end up with a piece of toilet paper with black smudge marks on it. :( awh well
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a few of my buds printed theres off using photo paper ??? STRANGE!!
i know you can buy water proof paper from STAPLES or any surveying store thats what i did ;D
and you can write on it as well and it doesn't run ;)
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This is the advantage of doing it on your own computer as you have the option to save the license to your computer in case you need another copy if something happens to the first. This could also create more poaching as someone could just as easily print off another copy when they have filled their qouta for springs or steelhead. Yes you could do this with the old licenses as well but it cost you a fee, I believe it was $10 at the government agent but with the new system all you have to do is go on your computer and print off a new one for the cost of ink and paper and no one knows :(
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a few of my buds printed theres off using photo paper ??? STRANGE!!
i know you can buy water proof paper from STAPLES or any surveying store thats what i did ;D
and you can write on it as well and it doesn't run ;)
Dandy Idea Beast, Thanks for the tip! ;D
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This is the advantage of doing it on your own computer as you have the option to save the license to your computer in case you need another copy if something happens to the first. This could also create more poaching as someone could just as easily print off another copy when they have filled their qouta for springs or steelhead. Yes you could do this with the old licenses as well but it cost you a fee, I believe it was $10 at the government agent but with the new system all you have to do is go on your computer and print off a new one for the cost of ink and paper and no one knows :(
i've had this same discussion with a few friends already. seems the government has other agendas, other than conservation. (how can they overlook the blatantly obvious?) :(
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a few of my buds printed theres off using photo paper ??? STRANGE!!
i know you can buy water proof paper from STAPLES or any surveying store thats what i did ;D
and you can write on it as well and it doesn't run ;)
good idea. how thick are these paper?
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I like the idea of a online purchasing system. But they need to take it to the next level and have it linked to your driver's license or BC id card.
Or at the very least issue a plastic card like the boaters card. Plastic is cheap
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Here was a situation that was brought up today. This is totally hypothetical. Say someone from out of province owns a vacation home within BC, they can now use that address to purchase a resident license on line as there is nobody to check their ID. All they need to fish is a license and they do not need to carry other identification with them. So if they want to fish on classified waters they would just use the vacation home address and the license is good for the year instead of having to buy one for every day they want to fish. Also here is another situation that could happen, what is going to stop someone from giving a copy to a relative that is going to fish some where else, or only fishes here and there. Instead of buying another license for them they can just use their printer and print one off. I know the intention of this licensing is suppose to be there to increase license sales but I think they will actually see a decrease because of this. They have just made it way to easy to cheat the system.
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The problem with false ID, residency was noted a few years ago and since then anglers are required to produce both the fishing license and a picture ID when asked by a conservation officer or DFO officer.
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i know what you mean i ran into a few guys from Calgary and they have a house out this way they rent it out, and know they also have a BC fishing license
another thing for drivers license, mine expired a while back and i re newed it which is all good they give you a paper one till your replacement shows up.
but in the mean time i was in Alberta trying to start another company and my paper one expired so i go to the DMV and they issued me an Alberta license now when i got home (BC) i now have 2 Drivers License funny the way the system works.
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Sorry Rodney i have to disagree i have been asked by conservation officers for my license and once they see it its off to the next guy down the way.
i must have shown my licence about 100 times to the DFO and i cant recall any of them ever asking me for a picture I.D. ??? ???
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The problem with false ID, residency was noted a few years ago and since then anglers are required to produce both the fishing license and a picture ID when asked by a conservation officer or DFO officer.
No where in the regs does it say that your are required to carry anyother ID but your license. In fact on page 12 under enforcement and compliance in the section called inspection it states " If asked, you must allow a conservation officer, fisheries officer, RCMP constable, park ranger in a provincial park, park warden in a national park or an officer under the wildlife act to examine your fishing license, gear and catch " . It says nothing about other ID.
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The CO or DFO officer does not always ask for picture ID as some of you have experienced. How he or she decide it is necessary I do not know, so perhaps ask them if you are interested. I have been asked to produce a picture ID in the past.
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In the past when on a hunting trip i have been asked to see our license as well as ID, but on other times hunting and fishing i have not had to produce anything other than my license,i think there has to be some consistency with the CO ,If they are asking to see licenses they should be required to ask for ID as well ,particularilly with this new and improved system,as time goes by i am sure like with everything else when change is involved we will find more things that are not to our liking,personally i feel that this new system was not well thought out before its implementation
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Never been asked to provide ID other than my fishing licence.
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Even on page 6 of the regs it only states that " you must carry your license while fishing and if asked produce itfor inspection" again it does not say you need to show any other type of ID
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A couple of years ago, one fisherman told me he had landed 56 springs that year, he didn't tell me how many were released although talking to the people fishing around him that day they had never seen him release any, using todays methods of fishing it isn't that hard to overlimit. Online licencing will just make poaching easier and more prevelant. Everyone that fishes in BC goes into a fishing gear shop sooner or later why is it that much of an inconvienience to buy your licence there. I see one member stating that he'll print one licence up for each vest he owns, does that mean when he catches a steelhead he'll tag it out at the river then go home and tag it out on his other 4 licences too, or does that mean after tagging one out down at the canal he'll just go up to his truck and grab another licence and go fishing up at the other end of the river. I believe that anything the government does that can make poaching easier and more prevalent should be stopped immediately, something as easy to cheat on as this online licencencing system is just begging for abuse. A lot of people are aware of others that abuse the system the way it is now, why make it so easy to cheat that it doesn't even seem illegal anymore.
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Every regulation has a loophole. Just because a person prints out more than one copy of a licence does not mean he's going to break the law and keep more than his daily limit. If you really want to you can do the same with the licence bought from a tackle shop.
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After reading all these posts and opinions ,which we all are entitled to, I still think the system has not been thought out enough to be put into practise yet. May be in the future there may be enough changes to make the system work, but not now.Yesterday I went to Fred`s and got my" REAL" license and tags. As long as the old system exists I will be useing that method. It is true that no matter which type of systen we have it will never be without some loop holes for the dishonest, but this new online system is just encouraging a way to bend or break the rules.
I also do not think that this new system is going to enhance the sale of licenses at all--I think that in a lot of cases the cost of the license and tags may be a factor to some people. A non tidal license,salmon tag and a steelhead tag cost me $79.80 yesterday. I am not complaining, but there may be some families that can not afford that fee along with the price of fuel--It can be a rather expensive day. Just for another example,I do not buy a license for my wife anymore. For the amount of times a year that she gets out anymore the expense is not worth it.Also, for the average angler there does not seem to be as many fish available to try and catch as there once was."Note" I said average angler.
harley
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I think that in a lot of cases the cost of the license and tags may be a factor to some people. A non tidal license,salmon tag and a steelhead tag cost me $79.80 yesterday. I am not complaining, but there may be some families that can not afford that fee along with the price of fuel--It can be a rather expensive day. Just for another example,I do not buy a license for my wife anymore. For the amount of times a year that she gets out anymore the expense is not worth it.Also, for the average angler there does not seem to be as many fish available to try and catch as there once was."Note" I said average angler.
harley
$80 a year is peanuts to pay for the privilege of fishing our heavily pressured lakes, streams and ocean. Thats less than $10 a month...IMO i'd like to see it cost MORE and see ALL of the funds channeled back into the resource in one way or another. (Of course, with our gov't the misappropriation of funds would negate any benefit the fish might see) .. Like anything these days you have to pay to play and in this day and age, 80 bucks amortized over a year is dirt cheap. The price of fuel is the one I feel most....but then, I chose to buy a truck. I could have kept our fuel miser tercel and drove it to 75% of the spots I like to go to....but I am willing to pay for the convenience a truck offers.
You may be right about it being poorly planned as far as recording fish caught on multiple licenses goes....however, the people that do that are the same people that would just not record a fish until the CO was in sight anyways. That crap will always happen regardless of what system is in place...scumbags always find a way.
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Well i just got my licence online today. I love the convenience of it and that I can re-print if i need to, or should i say WHEN i need to (i seem to lose too many things these days or it'll get too wet).
I can see a lot more people taking advantage of the ability to re-print in that they will record a fish caught go home and print another licence. Its just a sad fact of society.
All in all I found the process of getting the licence online quite simple and easy to use. However, I don't think they should get rid of the traditional paper licence all together, just give the choice.
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After reading this thread I too decided to renue this way...I printed 3 copies. I have a little spinner kit that I ofter grab when I go top the cap so one licence will go in there, one will go in my vest and I'll keep one as a spare. While the convenience seems to be good, I don't like this program as it does create a very easy system to abuse.
People will be much more able to "double dip" on their daily limits, fill up a tag and replace, etc, etc. The reduced cost of a paper licencing system doesn't seem to out weigh the holes I see in the program right now :-\
If those holes could be plugged, then I see it being a good program.
One thing I would like to see is a higher degree of accountability in terms of species recognition and regulation knowledge. As an example, if when buying a Salmon conservation tag, you had to complete a test, ie associate the correct species name to a picture, or acknowledge blanket regs (like no barbs for any fresh water fishing in the province) then maybe we would see few cases of obvious breaking of the regs.
While I didn't look into it, can this online service translate into a variety of different languages?
Another issue I see is that not going to a retailer to renew your licence means that retailer gets to stick a reg book in your hand...I personally will do a little reading online or get the updated regs so I can stay on top of any changes...will a new or "the average" fisher be that diligent... ???.
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As an example, if when buying a Salmon conservation tag, you had to complete a test, ie associate the correct species name to a picture, or acknowledge blanket regs (like no barbs for any fresh water fishing in the province) then maybe we would see few cases of obvious breaking of the regs.
As a starter I would suggest having DFO take the test. They don't seem to know the difference between a pink and a steelhead. :D
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As an example, if when buying a Salmon conservation tag, you had to complete a test, ie associate the correct species name to a picture, or acknowledge blanket regs (like no barbs for any fresh water fishing in the province) then maybe we would see few cases of obvious breaking of the regs.
As a starter I would suggest having DFO take the test. They don't seem to know the difference between a pink and a steelhead. :D
And some do not even know what you can and can not retain in certain systems as there was one on the Allouette saying you could retain chum when in fact there is no retention. He even tried to argue the fact and would only listen after someone placed a phone call to the office.
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I think that in a lot of cases the cost of the license and tags may be a factor to some people. A non tidal license,salmon tag and a steelhead tag cost me $79.80 yesterday. I am not complaining, but there may be some families that can not afford that fee along with the price of fuel--It can be a rather expensive day. Just for another example,I do not buy a license for my wife anymore. For the amount of times a year that she gets out anymore the expense is not worth it.Also, for the average angler there does not seem to be as many fish available to try and catch as there once was."Note" I said average angler.
harley
$80 a year is peanuts to pay for the privilege of fishing our heavily pressured lakes, streams and ocean. Thats less than $10 a month...IMO i'd like to see it cost MORE and see ALL of the funds channeled back into the resource in one way or another. (Of course, with our gov't the misappropriation of funds would negate any benefit the fish might see) .. Like anything these days you have to pay to play and in this day and age, 80 bucks amortized over a year is dirt cheap. The price of fuel is the one I feel most....but then, I chose to buy a truck. I could have kept our fuel miser tercel and drove it to 75% of the spots I like to go to....but I am willing to pay for the convenience a truck offers.
You may be right about it being poorly planned as far as recording fish caught on multiple licenses goes....however, the people that do that are the same people that would just not record a fish until the CO was in sight anyways. That crap will always happen regardless of what system is in place...scumbags always find a way.
Good Day marmot:
As I have stated before we are all entitled to our own opinion--First of all this $80.00 license as you put it does not make it legal to fish in the ocean--as far as I know that is a totally different license and another new fee. I also do not mind paying the license fee either or I would simply not pay it. There has to be some reasons why the sale of licenses are down. I sure that you have some thoughts on this subject. Please share.
harley
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I think that in a lot of cases the cost of the license and tags may be a factor to some people. A non tidal license,salmon tag and a steelhead tag cost me $79.80 yesterday. I am not complaining, but there may be some families that can not afford that fee along with the price of fuel--It can be a rather expensive day. Just for another example,I do not buy a license for my wife anymore. For the amount of times a year that she gets out anymore the expense is not worth it.Also, for the average angler there does not seem to be as many fish available to try and catch as there once was."Note" I said average angler.
harley
$80 a year is peanuts to pay for the privilege of fishing our heavily pressured lakes, streams and ocean. Thats less than $10 a month...IMO i'd like to see it cost MORE and see ALL of the funds channeled back into the resource in one way or another. (Of course, with our gov't the misappropriation of funds would negate any benefit the fish might see) .. Like anything these days you have to pay to play and in this day and age, 80 bucks amortized over a year is dirt cheap. The price of fuel is the one I feel most....but then, I chose to buy a truck. I could have kept our fuel miser tercel and drove it to 75% of the spots I like to go to....but I am willing to pay for the convenience a truck offers.
You may be right about it being poorly planned as far as recording fish caught on multiple licenses goes....however, the people that do that are the same people that would just not record a fish until the CO was in sight anyways. That crap will always happen regardless of what system is in place...scumbags always find a way.
Good Day marmot:
As I have stated before we are all entitled to our own opinion--First of all this $80.00 license as you put it does not make it legal to fish in the ocean--as far as I know that is a totally different license and another new fee. I also do not mind paying the license fee either or I would simply not pay it. There has to be some reasons why the sale of licenses are down. I sure that you have some thoughts on this subject. Please share.
harley
True, of course for salt fishing you need a sep. license. Still peanuts I think...as long as the revenue is being used responsibly.
I do have some thoughts on the subject of why license sales are down, and you eluded to it in an earlier post....kids are more interested in videogames and TV because their parents aren't spending enough time with them...and not just in the big cities. People have to work more, and have less time off to consider fishing let alone get their kids involved. I consider it high priority to give my children an appreciation for the outdoors...it is all we have left thats real IMO.
Gooey I suggested the idea you mentioned in another post a couple days ago, something similar to the CORE education for hunting (more than just a test),....but its incredible to me that some people are arguing against it....
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The only solution is stiff penalties, nothing else.
Licenses cost but the cost of losing all our fish is definitely higher.
We should just make sure we are getting our money's worth.
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I just picked up my new licence today at high water tackle... very painless... didnt even need a credit card. You can actually go to the web site and print new ones of when needed... not a bad system.. just new
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btw
the date box when you register is crazy.... i mean it starts off with the current date april 2008 but you ahve to be at least 16 years old to have a license ?
does it make sense ?
oh well its just a small suggestion