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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: dennisK on October 10, 2020, 05:07:20 PM
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Just saw this. Barbed wire at Wilson Rd Chilliwack. Homeowners block dyke access to fishermen.
A notice requesting people to clean up after themselves wasn't even tried. Everyone I know cleans up after themselves..
And Barbed wire? Seriously?? Way to ugly up the beautiful outdoors...
(https://i.ibb.co/YZDtHVJ/wilson-road431-n.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6tJX3tD/wilson03468428-n.jpg)
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So the barbed wire is what’s ugly, not the mounds of garbage, toilet paper and human feaces in the trees. I doubt a sign pointing out the obvious would have resolved the garbage issue. My friends and I always cart out garbage that belongs to us, and the garbage of the others who don’t respect the environment they are in. I completely understand why the land owners did what they needed to do to protect the rivers from irresponsible people. I’m so sad it had to come to this.
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So the barbed wire is what’s ugly, not the mounds of garbage, toilet paper and human fenced in the trees. I doubt a sign pointing out the obvious would have resolved the garbage issue. My friends and I always cart out garbage that belongs to us, and the garbage of the others who don’t respect the environment they are in. I completely understand why the land owners did what they needed to do to protect the rivers from irresponsible people. I’m so sad it had to come to this.
You may "doubt" a sign would have worked but fact it is it was not tried.
It's been my experience if you put a sign to clean up on the vedder - people do make the effort. There seems to have been no attempt to post any signage or communicate before going to this extreme at Wilson rd.
And yup. Barbed wire is brutal. It's used in prisons and death camps. It's used only in the most impossible situations. A bunch of homeowners upset about garbage and then going full on nuclear at the first chance is serious overkill.
Also - is it even legal? That's a public dyke or a private one. Who paid for it.
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No surprise at all. 40-60 vehicles parked at Wilson road everyday this Salmon season. Fisherman leaving garbage all over the area and even defecating on private property. They got fed up with it and are now taking a stand.
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No surprise at all. 40-60 vehicles parked at Wilson road everyday this Salmon season. Fisherman leaving garbage all over the area and even defecating on private property. They got fed up with it and are now taking a stand.
1) is it legal?
2) barbed wire people. what sort of sicko uses barbed wire? it's deigned to cut flesh. you know..hurt people. Littering is not a death penalty.
3) did they even try to set up signs and talk before going nuclear?
Look. I came to Canada as an immigrant a long time ago. My Canada does not settle problems littering problems unilaterally with barbed wire. That's Soviet style. Talk to the city. Go thru steps typical of a democracy.
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Seriously.....
The owners should have put up a sign first to explain to loosers to pick up their garbage..
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Is dyke not public access through dyke authority.
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https://www.bcnature.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Section4-17.pdf
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So the barbed wire is what’s ugly, not the mounds of garbage, toilet paper and human feaces in the trees. I doubt a sign pointing out the obvious would have resolved the garbage issue. My friends and I always cart out garbage that belongs to us, and the garbage of the others who don’t respect the environment they are in. I completely understand why the land owners did what they needed to do to protect the rivers from irresponsible people. I’m so sad it had to come to this.
There’s no like button so I have to quote you. 👍
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Just saw this. Barbed wire at Wilson Rd Chilliwack. Homeowners block dyke access to fishermen.
A notice requesting people to clean up after themselves wasn't even tried. Everyone I know cleans up after themselves..
Do you and your friends need a formal notice to wipe your own asses?
And Barbed wire? Seriously?? Way to ugly up the beautiful outdoors...
(https://i.ibb.co/YZDtHVJ/wilson-road431-n.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6tJX3tD/wilson03468428-n.jpg)
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There’s no like button so I have to quote you. 👍
The "Public Access" section on page 2 seems to indicate that the pictured barrier is not legal.
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1) is it legal?
2) barbed wire people. what sort of sicko uses barbed wire? it's deigned to cut flesh. you know..hurt people. Littering is not a death penalty.
3) did they even try to set up signs and talk before going nuclear?
1-Call the city of Chilliwack and ask. 2-Only if you try and cross the fence. 3-Signs ?!?! LOL
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If I'm seeing it right, the home owners put the barb wire past the natural boundary line and are in violation of the Land Act of BC and if they're going post a "No Trespassing" sign along the dyke, it should be endorsed by the district authority or city of Chilliwack.
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This river is a joke. The Schity of Chilliwack is a joke. Access to this river over the past 10 year has been a joke. For a system that is hatchery enhanced for the purpose of fishing i am surprised river access hasn't been improved. Just a joke all across the board. I feel sorry for the bank fishermen out there. To stand shoulder to shoulder with 9ther fishermen must be difficult.
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This river is a joke. The Schity of Chilliwack is a joke. Access to this river over the past 10 year has been a joke. For a system that is hatchery enhanced for the purpose of fishing i am surprised river access hasn't been improved. Just a joke all across the board. I feel sorry for the bank fishermen out there. To stand shoulder to shoulder with 9ther fishermen must be difficult.
This property is not in the district of chilliwack. It is part of the fvrd.
The city of chilliwack ends just past the vedder crossing. The city of chilliwack has provided excellent access to the river via the rotary trail system.
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This property is not in the district of chilliwack. It is part of the fvrd.
Correct. See row 23
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-water/water/drought-flooding-dikes-dams/integrated-flood-hazard-management/dike-management/flood-protection-structures/dike-inventory
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This property is not in the district of chilliwack. It is part of the fvrd.
The city of chilliwack ends just past the vedder crossing. The city of chilliwack has provided excellent access to the river via the rotary trail system.
I agree BUT disagree at the same time. Sure the trails are great. I can see what they have done and I really don't like the consolidation of vehicles. I'm a bit old school and liked it when we could pull over and park anywhere. But thats just me.
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Consolidation of vehicles? Lol. You mean parking lots?
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Interesting. Some of the local governments are erecting signs at access point noting that while the dykes may be maintained by local governments with public funds the dyke itself is private property. It's up to land owners to block access with a fence or other barrier.The riprap is part of the dyke. Public land is usually the normal highwater mark...whatever that means.
Frankly many local landowners have been quite tolerant of anglers and other people accessing their property. IME it usually is gross abuse that leads to fencing and No Trespassing signs. All the trails the city of Chilliwack has established along the Vedder are probably used more by walkers and joggers than anglers. Anglers or at least some of them are usually the culprits when things go bad. Just my experience anyway.
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This is one of my favorite fishing spots! But if a ton of people were dumping garbage and deficating in my yard I wouldn't put up with it at all! The bad apple fishermen has caused this confrontation by their disrespectfulness of not only the residents but also the environment in which they are harvesting from. This problem in all along the river and if this disrespect continues there will be MORE places being shut down. One brainstorm idea is to have a salmon tag on your licence for just this river. Have the additional fee pay for porta potties and garbage cans all along the river to keep it clean. That is a price I can live with!
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Consolidation of vehicles? Lol. You mean parking lots?
It was a lot better 15+ years ago. Vehicles and people were spread out more. Now, if you float down the river you'll see vast pockets of great water thats empty then you'll pass by crowds that stand shoulder to shoulder. Never used ti be like that.
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And what’s wrong with that ? “Vast pockets of great water that’s empty” is exactly where I want to fish.
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So the barbed wire is what’s ugly, not the mounds of garbage, toilet paper and human feaces in the trees. I doubt a sign pointing out the obvious would have resolved the garbage issue. My friends and I always cart out garbage that belongs to us, and the garbage of the others who don’t respect the environment they are in. I completely understand why the land owners did what they needed to do to protect the rivers from irresponsible people. I’m so sad it had to come to this.
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I'll just add that I talked with one of the owners (a VERY nice person, and a fisherman himself, BTW) and heard first-hand about what had been done to them by some POS people who have no respect whatsoever for other people's lives, family and property.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when one idiot started yelling obscenities and threatening a homeowner in front of his three-year-old daughter even after the father explicitly pleaded with him not to use that kind of vocabulary in front of the kid. The altercation took place INSIDE the owner's property.
The city did nothing to protect them, so the owners banded together and acted (in self-defense, I may add). Exactly the same happened years ago at Osborne and other places on the river.
Because of a few despicable humans who shouldn't even be breathing, let alone fishing, all considerate and responsible anglers are to pay the price.
And risking the wrath of DennisK and others who find barbed wire unacceptable, I will say that if I were one of those owners who had to wake up to mounds of human excrement, toilet paper and wipes in my garden and listen to threats against my life and property in front of my family every day during salmon season, I would make bloody sure to add a couple of well-trained German shepherds into the equation.
There were signs all over the place asking for respect to the private property. No respect was shown by too many, hence the outcome. Too bad, so sad.
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I believe based on the map of the land title he owns the dyke beyond that point but only to the high water mark , so walking along the shore around that shouldn’t be an issue
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And risking the wrath of DennisK and others who find barbed wire unacceptable,
It's likely not legal milo. You want to be a break the law knock yourself out. But you'll be on the wrong side of court action your whole life. Civilized people don't pick and choose what law to follow.
milo, Are you saying you support illegal actions now? I thought you were a teacher.
According to Section 5 of the General Regulations of the city of Chilliwack...."Barbed wire and electrified fences are NOT ALLOWED in residential neighbourhoods. The exception is for approved security fences which require the security wire to be at least 2 metres off the ground."
https://www.agfence.ca/news-and-advice/news/News-Advice/2019/07/05/185:fencing-bylaws-in-the-fraser-valley
ps..haha "wrath" of dennisk....no offence milo, you type that while drinking slivovitz or some other balkan tractor fuel
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ps..haha "wrath" of dennisk....no offence milo, you type that while drinking slivovitz or some other balkan tractor fuel
Lol. Funniest thing I read on here in ages. Please take no offence anyone to my comment just had to respond after reading this.
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This property falls under the jurisdiction of FVRD not the city of Chilliwack
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It's likely not legal milo.
Dennis, if it's illegal, then I'm with you. Nobody should be above the law.
That said, my understanding is that this area is beyond the city boundaries and urban laws don't exactly apply. How else do you explain the widespread use of barbed fences in the area?
It seems it's up to the owners to decide whether or not they will grant access to people beyond the high water mark. For decades owners at Wilson Road were very good to us and things worked out fine.
This year some people with questionable behaviour patterns showed up at the river bank, forcing the owners to defend themselves and screwing it up for all of us. While I don't condone property owners breaking the law using barbed wire (assuming it is indeed illegal), I totally support the owners in wanting to preserve their peacd and quiet and protect their properties and families.
ps..haha "wrath" of dennisk....no offence milo, you type that while drinking slivovitz or some other balkan tractor fuel
Good plum brandy is a nectar of the gods. 😋 But no, just like I don't drink and fish, I don't drink and type replies on fishing fora. I was only trying to be humorous.
Tight lines, there's 30 kilometres of fishable river banks still left for the true anglers to explore. I would support the limited closure of certain honey holes, making them accessible only to seniors, youth only and people with disabilities.
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shouldn't need to put up signs to pick up your garbage, it's just common sense!
what's next, put up signs to not fall into the river?
I know the owner on a personal level and don't blame him for what he did
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My understanding is that property owners only own up to the high water mark, which should just be on the other side of the fence. Hop down on the rocks and go around, no?
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if its private property I 100% support this. If it is however illegal it should be torn down and the people responsible charged.
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So the barbed wire is what’s ugly, not the mounds of garbage, toilet paper and human feaces in the trees. I doubt a sign pointing out the obvious would have resolved the garbage issue. My friends and I always cart out garbage that belongs to us, and the garbage of the others who don’t respect the environment they are in. I completely understand why the land owners did what they needed to do to protect the rivers from irresponsible people. I’m so sad it had to come to this.
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That sucks that idiots have ruined that spot for everyone else. To those wondering whether the blockade is legal or not: send an email to the FVRD, City of Chilliwack, and/or DFO and share a screenshot of their response with us.
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This is sad to see but I understand it completely. This is one of my favorite spots on the river but I feel for these homeowners. A handful of literal sh itbags have ruined it for the rest but unfortunately, there is no shortage of people who see nothing beyond their own nose and will just carry on not respecting anyone or anything.
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Because of a few despicable humans who shouldn't even be breathing, let alone fishing, all considerate and responsible anglers are to pay the price.
ITs probably more than a few, if you go onto the fraser valley fishing facebook page every second post is about how someone is going to get someone by pushing or kicking them into the water. There was a post with someone throwing rocks at a ripper/snagger and everyone was cheering him on.
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ITs probably more than a few, if you go onto the fraser valley fishing facebook page every second post is about how someone is going to get someone by pushing or kicking them into the water. There was a post with someone throwing rocks at a ripper/snagger and everyone was cheering him on.
It wasn't just a post - there was video! However some posts were definitely not in favor of such vigilantism or provoking violence.
If there is one thing that could make me hang up my tackle for good it's not seals, FN fishing rights or climate change... it's the behaviour of other anglers.
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It wasn't just a post - there was video! However some posts were definitely not in favor of such vigilantism or provoking violence.
I'm so glad I never got on Facebook and such. It would drive me nuts.
If there is one thing that could make me hang up my tackle for good it's not seals, FN fishing rights or climate change... it's the behaviour of other anglers.
I was thinking the same.
I am starting to worry that the day when I might lose it on the river due to some arsehole's behaviour is closing in on me.
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I am starting to worry that the day when I might lose it on the river due to some arsehole's behaviour is closing in on me.
why even go out then? There is plenty of areas on the north side of the fraser thats pleasant to fish. Only time i've ever been annoying is when a fly fishermen came and fished up stream of me and kept snagging two red paired up coho that you could see like 3 feet from shore in two feet of water.
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why even go out then?
Because I like to eat fish I catch myself.
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I gave it up on the Vedder for Salmon season a long time ago. I couldn’t stomach the crowds and unethical fishing practices. I like to go hit a lake or two now in the fall and fish for rainbows and enjoy the solitude. Once the salmon have spawned and meat crowds are long gone I will start fishing for steelhead in December.
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I gave it up on the Vedder for Salmon season a long time ago. I couldn’t stomach the crowds and unethical fishing practices. I like to go hit a lake or two now in the fall and fish for rainbows and enjoy the solitude. Once the salmon have spawned and meat crowds are long gone I will start fishing for steelhead in December.
I agree. Personally I have NEVER fished the vedder from the shore during salmon season. Just Steel. I fish the canal from a boat and get my situde that way. I actually do better from a boat than most people do from shore.
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stay away from the chinook meat holes and the vedder is not that bad. was fishing in the canal on sunday and everyone i saw was fishing properly. lots of laughs. good times.
i used to fish from my boat in the lower but i really see no advantage with the access being so good by foot. if you live close than maybe. by the time i hook up the boat, tow in there and launch it from cloverdale i could have been fishing for half an hour. same goes for hauling it home. it also can get busy down there as well with boat traffic accessing the fraser.
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stay away from the chinook meat holes and the vedder is not that bad. was fishing in the canal on sunday and everyone i saw was fishing properly. lots of laughs. good times.
i used to fish from my boat in the lower but i really see no advantage with the access being so good by foot. if you live close than maybe. by the time i hook up the boat, tow in there and launch it from cloverdale i could have been fishing for half an hour. same goes for hauling it home. it also can get busy down there as well with boat traffic accessing the fraser.
You can hook more from the boat if you know where to go.