Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: Sir Snag-A-Lot on October 17, 2014, 04:49:13 PM
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I've had a problem with blood knots snapping when attaching a fluorocarbon tippet to a regular mono leader fishing rivers for salmon. Usually trout fishing stillwaters I use a small rolling swivel and have no problems but I find that this doesn't work well with weighted flies on rivers. What knots do you guys find work best?
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Blood knot, lots of lubrication and slow tightening. If your fluoro curls at all you have done it wrong.
I also don't use less than 10lb fluoro for salmon.
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try a bimini twist
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No love for the trip surgeons? One of the ones I use for flouro.
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I haven't bothered with the bimini because I want to be able to do quick simple changes while fishing. Maybe I just need to be more careful with the blood knot but I'll try the triple surgeon's too.
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Try a triple surgeons... Fluro to mono is always going to be tough. Need to use lots of lubrication and make sure the knot seats well. And test it too...
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double or triple surgeon work about the same in my experience. I have been using a 5 turn ligature knot (also known as a simple bloodknot) for about a year and it seems to be more consistent than those two.
If want a comprehensive review of knot check ou Yellowstone Angler's Tippet shootout http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/gear-review/tippet-shootout-seaguar-grandmax-trouthunter-orvis-mirage-riopowerflex-pline-dairiki-varivas-sa-climax-maxima-froghair-stoft-umpqua
they picked the J-knot as the best : http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/j-knot/ and also liked the improved blood knot - you just fold the lighter tippet material double and tie a blood knot with that.
Success varies with the type of line - both fluorocarbon & mono used. Some don't mate together as well some brands of line simply don't make for good knots. Older & cheaper brands of flouro often have this fault.
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Tiny spools of fluro tippet materials are a complete waste of money IMO, especially for Salmon fishing and a lot of it ties shitty knots. Try the Seaguar Yellow label STS leader spools, 100 yards for 10 bucks. Great stuff and have never had a problem with a well tied double surgeons. Cheap enough you can just forget the mono and build you leader out of it entirely and you butt sections will last way longer than mono and are better in the sticks too.
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Tiny spools of fluro tippet materials are a complete waste of money IMO, especially for Salmon fishing and a lot of it ties shitty knots. Try the Seaguar Yellow label STS leader spools, 100 yards for 10 bucks. Great stuff and have never had a problem with a well tied double surgeons. Cheap enough you can just forget the mono and build you leader out of it entirely and you butt sections will last way longer than mono and are better in the sticks too.
X2 That's what I've been using. Way cheaper
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I have never been convinced CFC line makes such a difference to justify the cost. At best the stuff has been improved over the years so that it at least is much closer to mono when to knot strength and strength per diameter.
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I won't even tie fluorocarbon to mono. I don't trust it. When I have to use fluorocarbon then that is ALL I use in one long piece. If I need a tapered leader then I'll stick with mono. I'm more likely to change my line than change my leader. I use a single Clinch knot when tying fluorocarbon to a fly. An improved Clinch knot seems to weaken it. Fluorocarbon does not slip like mono and once it is fastened tightly it won't slip.
One thing to remember is that salmon are not leader shy. You can use 20 lb test for a leader if you want and it won't make any difference. The only reason to use fluorocarbon is for its sinking ability. It stays straight and it sinks quickly. It's perfect for fishing chironomids.
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Albright knot
wrap the flouro AROUND the mono. Flouro tends to cut through mono over time, especially so if your knots are not perfect. I use this knot all the time and have never had one fail me. Bonus is its also way easier and faster to tie than blood knots and I believe its breaking strength is in the high 90%
I also never use tapered leaders for salmon. Just one single length of mono because my leaders never run longer than 8', more typically 6' for stripped flies and shorter on swung flies
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Ive never used the albright for tippet to leader but I always use it for sink tips to leader and backing to fly libe.
Easier to tie then a nail knot and stronger. I will probs now try it for leader to tippet.
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Ive never used the albright for tippet to leader but I always use it for sink tips to leader and backing to fly libe.
Easier to tie then a nail knot and stronger. I will probs now try it for leader to tippet.
I also use it when building my long tapered leaders for chironomid fishing, again I've never had one fail.
Always remember the thinner line is to be wrapped around the thicker line.
For sink tips take some 20-30lb mono and Albright it to the fly line then tie a double surgeons loop into the mono, now you'll be able to loop/loop connect your leaders by also putting a double surgeons into your leader. This is best because the heavy mono takes years to finally wear out or break so your not cutting back your sink tip very often