Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on December 22, 2015, 06:50:26 AM
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Posting these up for Chris as it is just being circulated by email this morning:
Hi:
I just got word today of yet ANOTHER TOXIC asbestos dump in the Chilliwack River Valley.
I drove to the location near Chipmunk Creek Road today, and was accompanied by Fisheries officers who had been on patrol in the valley. They estimated that this largest of 3 asbestos dumps in 2015 alone, was approx 60 to 70 bags and was dumped from a tandem axle vehicle, likely a dump truck due to tracks seen in the snow.
I have yet again phoned this incident in to the Conservation office/RAPP line, FLNRO, and to our MLA in charge of Crown land in the Chilliwack River Valley.
Cleanup of these events costs taxpayers literally thousands of dollars. Many residents are doing their level best looking out for the crown land in the valley but some dumpers seem to do their worst in the dark of the night. I am strongly advocating that the province supply more conservation officer presence and surveillance on the ground and very heavy fines for anyone caught dumping. I feel strongly that money of this magnitude is much better spent on prevention than cleanup and our undermanned and overworked conservation officers need more help!
Orion Engar
Director Area E
Chilliwack River Valley
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What a shame.
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It irritates me to no end that people feel they can just dump things wherever they want. This is the kind of thing that will eventually end access for everyone into the backwoods.
What will it take? Stiffer fines?
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Absolutely disgusting >:(
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Offenders shall be stuffed in the yellow bags.
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Horrible :'(
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I saw this first hand a couple of days ago. There must be some way of tracking it back to who dumped it there.
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Offenders shall be stuffed in the yellow bags.
But only after they are neutered.
You don't want any of their spawn crawling around. >:(
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It irritates me to no end that people feel they can just dump things wherever they want. This is the kind of thing that will eventually end access for everyone into the backwoods.
What will it take? Stiffer fines?
More Conservation Officers would be a start, the Branch is so understaffed.
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More Conservation Officers would be a start, the Branch is so understaffed.
Where do I send my letter?
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Looks like a pro job. Charge the customer for the hazardous dump fee then dump in the bush. What a crock of $hit.
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" I feel strongly that money of this magnitude is much better spent on prevention than cleanup and our undermanned and overworked conservation officers need more help!"
Not sure what waste management facilities are there in the valley but I'd say it should cost people $0 to get rid of toxic waste such as asbestos. This is disgusting and should never happen in any area or city let alone our beautiful outdoors and rivers but maybe someone can shed light on how incidents like this could be prevented first place...
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I think you answered your own question.
There needs to be a $0 dump fee for hazardous dumping. The revenue should be a part of our taxes we pay for curb side garbage pickup. All the dump fees do is encourage crap like this to continue. In the end the taxpayer pays for the cleanup anyways.
I'd love to see more Conservation Officers aswell, but this is a big problem everywhere not just the Chilliwack Valley. You'd need an officer standing guard at every bend in the road.
They can't even stop illegal dumpers from dumping on abandoned house lots in Vancouver let alone out in the sticks.
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More Conservation Officers would be a start, the Branch is so understaffed.
Unfortunately true.
At least we (as a community) are also in a good position to lend a helping hand to try and bust these asshats, by calling in any suspicious behavior. Fishermen represent a lot of eyes on the water, often at odd hours when the perpetrators probably are most active. Are notices being posted on the river and in tackle shops asking anglers and the public to lend a hand?
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Looks like a pro job. Charge the customer for the hazardous dump fee then dump in the bush. What a crock of $hit.
That's probably exactly what it is.
Same as the mattresses in the ditches because people don't want to pay the $20 to drop it at the dump.
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Disgusting... Need to get the MP's involved!
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Someone should talk to the city or local contractors to see who has been doing abatement work in the area. Removing this amount of asbestos requires some sort of paper trail, judging by the bags, it was done by a professional company.. There has to be some sort of paper/ permit trail. These people need to be severely punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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Someone should talk to the city or local contractors to see who has been doing abatement work in the area. Removing this amount of asbestos requires some sort of paper trail, judging by the bags, it was done by a professional company.. There has to be some sort of paper/ permit trail. These people need to be severely punished to the fullest extent of the law.
They need to file an N.O.P. (Notice Of Project) with Worksafe prior to starting an abatement project.
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They need to file an N.O.P. (Notice Of Project) with Worksafe prior to starting an abatement project.
Sure they "need" to but doesn't mean they did.
This stuff is probably dumped at 3am on a weekday. No extra conservation officer could catch this.
If I had some extra cash I would be sticking up quite a few wildlife cams in my favorite areas that get stuff dumped.
The mountain bikers did it to catch an old lady sabotaging their trails in North Vancouver and it she was all over the news. Imagine how media would pick up on this. It would be quite a powerful statement to catch someone I believe.
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Sure they "need" to but doesn't mean they did.
This stuff is probably dumped at 3am on a weekday. No extra conservation officer could catch this.
If I had some extra cash I would be sticking up quite a few wildlife cams in my favorite areas that get stuff dumped.
The mountain bikers did it to catch an old lady sabotaging their trails in North Vancouver and it she was all over the news. Imagine how media would pick up on this. It would be quite a powerful statement to catch someone I believe.
More COs, hefty fines and surveillance cameras are all good ideas but you gotta think about the motives that pushed this idiot to drive that far up in the middle of the night. If you think about the gas $$, danger of driving on an icy road PLUS the risk of being caught you only get to 1 answer: It's either not cheap enough or it's just too much work to dump the bags at a waste yard. I agree with other posters, it should be easy to track this project in Chilliwack and see which contractor is using a tandem axle truck.
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Sure they "need" to but doesn't mean they did.
This stuff is probably dumped at 3am on a weekday. No extra conservation officer could catch this.
If I had some extra cash I would be sticking up quite a few wildlife cams in my favorite areas that get stuff dumped.
The mountain bikers did it to catch an old lady sabotaging their trails in North Vancouver and it she was all over the news. Imagine how media would pick up on this. It would be quite a powerful statement to catch someone I believe.
Sadly this is quite true, 3am or even at some late time in the evening these people will go around and dump something. I've seen people dumping their garbage in places like downtown at 2am (I'm a late night delivery guy) and a guy just chucks 2 large black garbage bags of who knows what into a small side alley and takes off.
Wild life cams work, I've heard of people being caught poaching, trespassing and so forth. So I see this is a viable solution/ deteurrant since it should be made public on what companies and people are doing these things.
What bothers me is the fact that all this hazardous waste was just dropped there without any concern to the public. These kinds of actions should result in some serious jail time and hefty fines.
Does anyone know the regulations reguarding the use of the roads in the area to large commercial vehicles? Such as time restrictions and day light/ sunset regulations/ times of use like 8am to 6pm and ect?
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oh my this is horrible
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Too bad us anglers can't do anything about this. If it was bags filled with plastic for example, i'd have the truck up there so quick doing what I could...
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More of the same on the Island. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/illegal-asbestos-dumping-vancouver-island-1.3377699
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This thread made me think of our first cleanup and when I first met Rodney, I think it was 2001. It was a cleanup organized by Vic Carrao of STS Guiding.
It was then shortly after that we started the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Coalition, now Society. Since then over 100 metric tonnes has been taken off the Chilliwack Vedder River but it is sad to see we still have people abusing this beautiful Chilliwack River Valley.
I just uploaded this clip from one of my old VHS tapes from 2001, most likely a bit boring for most to watch but it is a bit of history to preserve before the tapes fall apart due to age.I have many more to work on as I have a few hundred. :P ::)
https://youtu.be/w9YEJZlsLkA
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A update on this story from the Chilliwack Progress today. http://www.theprogress.com/news/363401941.html
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Would this (criminal offence) be the responsibilty of a consevation officer ?, or the RCMP ? . :-\
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With a bit of investigative work it shouldn't/wouldn't be to hard to find those responsible.
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With a bit of investigative work it shouldn't/wouldn't be to hard to find those responsible.
It should be as 2 articles in the local press and pictures shared and viewed by hundred's of different people.
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Dumped on land where at least experts can get at it & disposed of it properly.
What about the toxic material that we may never find?
( dumped off a cliff/gully or directly into the Fraser or whatever river. )
All in the name of $$$$ savings.
How do these guys sleep at night.
People everyday are faced to do proper or cheat ( good vs evil )
Guess these guys started out throwing their cig butts on the ground,then their chewing gum,their McDonald's wrappers.....to toxic materials.
Hopely whoever did this is not in charge of pushing the button to launch the nuke missiles...they will really make a mess of things. :o