Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: coryandtrevor on March 16, 2008, 11:14:32 PM
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Oh my gaaaaaaad...... :D :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbmYEJV2Ua4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPUjZ4Fe-D0
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All right, time to move to Argentina.
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A person has to wonder what those fish eat because they aren't sea run Rainbows at all-see image of Lake Sobel.
(http://aguasargentinaslibres.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/strobel.jpg?w=492&h=300)
And Lake Sobel is the proper name-looks like someone was trying to sell trips there under the Jname until the locals caught up with them.
http://freeargentinewaters.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/loop-adventures-discovers-lake-in-south-patagonia/
According to official site, Loop Adventures has “newly discovered” [sic] a lake in Santa Cruz province referred to as “Jurassic Lake”, same lake long known by everyone else as Lake Strobel.
Doing business in other people´s countries and openly calling their lakes by a name other than the originally given is offensive and shows lack of finesse, but even worse, using such a ridiculous appellative is unforgivable…
I mean, let´s get serious. Think for a while about running a fly fishing operation in Sweden´s Ljungan River advertising it world wide as “Hey, come to fish the newly discovered Maradona River…“
You get the picture, right?
Another concern, and not least important, it seems that Loop Adventures would be selling fishing weeks for Lake Strobel beginning October 20th 2007 while the “Continental Patagonia General Sportfishing Rules and Regulations” for next season will allow fishing in that lake as early as November 1st 2007.
You can check this out clicking Jurassic Lake Pre Season and Pre Season Booking, both official Loop Adventures pages.
Post Update: On Saturday August 25th, display of both out-of-season weeks (Oct20-Oct27 and Oct27-Nov3) was removed from Loop Adventures site.
http://freeargentinewaters.wordpress.com/
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Nice fish but yeah I do agree that is pretty underhanded.
Especially fishing out of season.
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some of the landing jobs werent great either.
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Yeah I read up on all things pointed out by Sam and understand that it might not be the most ethical of situations but I posted these videos for entertainment value only ;D
and yes some of the handling is very poor
I still want to go !!!! might be a bit windy for the old float tube though.........
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Those fish are absolutley massive! I wanna go so bad, that would be so much fun but yea I agree that the fish weren't landed very nicely in some cases, like the one on the rocks..... If that keeps up those fish they are advertising wont be in very good shape in a few years.
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Those fish are absolutley massive! I wanna go so bad, that would be so much fun but yea I agree that the fish weren't landed very nicely in some cases, like the one on the rocks..... If that keeps up those fish they are advertising wont be in very good shape in a few years.
Patagonia is already in rough shape. Off the east coast is the richest fishery left on earth. Massive commercial fishing happens there. When you look at SA at night from space, the brightest lights are all the commercial squidders and other operations running around the clock.
I am under the impression that getting to 'Jurassic Lake' is quite the ordeal 7 - 10 hours from anywhere and its really tough on anyone without a helicopter. Its one of those rich guy destinations and they are the minority on planet earth. Aside from that , that lake is close to 18km by 18km and they are only fishing from a few select spots from shore showing that the lake is chocked full of beasts. Enough to last a few trips anyway. If I had to choose an exotic location to travel and fish , Patagonia is by far one of the most interesting places to go to on earth and that lake is probably only one of many.
I feel what Loop is doing out there is not that bad compared to bow fishing carp from speedboats or pulling fish out of a lake with your truck.
8)
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Did someone open a fishfarm on that lake?
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I didn't even know that there are regulations for fishing in argentina... Perhaps someone could enlighten. Who enforces? Who do you pay and know that you're actually getting a liscence? As far as I have heard most of the water in patagonia and St. Cruz is private access and very expensive to access in places.
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I didn't even know that there are regulations for fishing in argentina... Perhaps someone could enlighten. Who enforces? Who do you pay and know that you're actually getting a liscence? As far as I have heard most of the water in patagonia and St. Cruz is private access and very expensive to access in places.
Why would there not be regulations-we're talking about Argentina not the moon!(Of course that's the kind of thinking that got those 3 yanquis deported from Chile).
See pic of Buenos Aires for your edification.
(http://www.windsorschools.co.uk/logos/buenos-aires-tefl.jpg)
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So sam, what are the regs then? Your response does nothing to clarify the question. And please don't assume too much about my knowledge of argentina. So again, anyone know the regs?
I didn't even know that there are regulations for fishing in argentina... Perhaps someone could enlighten. Who enforces? Who do you pay and know that you're actually getting a liscence? As far as I have heard most of the water in patagonia and St. Cruz is private access and very expensive to access in places.
Why would there not be regulations-we're talking about Argentina not the moon!(Of course that's the kind of thinking that got those 3 yanquis deported from Chile).
See pic of Buenos Aires for your edification.
(http://www.windsorschools.co.uk/logos/buenos-aires-tefl.jpg)
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You can look 'em up online-even understand them if you speak Spanish.
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http://www.esqueloutfitters.com/FLYFISHING_FISHINGREGULATIONS.html
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Thanks for the link Coryandtrevor.
Sam, you are an annoying old man. ::)
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Hi guys I am Guillermo Magariños, the guy from that blog :)
I see some of you are curious about our regulations, you can download the file in pdf format for this season which is translated to english.
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/487059/Continental%20Patagonia%20General%20Sportfishing%20Rules%20and%20Regulations%202007-2008.pdf
I will be posting the link from my own blog so everyone can have too.
In Argentina, you can get your Patagonia license pretty much in all fly shops, even in those out of Patagonia. Being this a general rule, some shops may not have it at certain times. But no matter if you guys got there as lodge clients, you should fish with a valid license.
Guille
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Hello and welcome !
Just wondering , what can you tell us about lago Strobel and the surounding area ? It looks amazing !
It appears as if there are quite a few lakes in the vicinity of Strobel , are they similar in being jam packed with monster rainbows ?
I would like to venture there on my own rather than pay Loop 4000+ Euros for a few days.
Thanks !
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Hola Guillermo!
?Y como va la pesca de dorado en la parana?
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Those are some huge trout!!
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Hello and welcome !
Just wondering , what can you tell us about lago Strobel and the surounding area ? It looks amazing !
It appears as if there are quite a few lakes in the vicinity of Strobel , are they similar in being jam packed with monster rainbows ?
I would like to venture there on my own rather than pay Loop 4000+ Euros for a few days.
Thanks !
First of all, never fished that lake, but I know a couple of things about it.
It is absolutely of public domain, the problem is access.
It is surrounded by many farms and in general, their owners have no problem at all to let people access the lake through some vecinal roads as long as you ask them before.
Loop operation is only at the discharge of Barrancoso river on the lake which, by the way, is against the regulations as you may see on the pdf file.
The roads are usually closed by wooden fences with chains and a lock. The key for that lock is in the hands of the farm owners who live in Puerto San Julian, Rio Gallegos or Gobernador Gregores. Some fences may be open all the time anyway.
If you wish to get there on your own, you sure need a 4x4 truck. Roads are full of deep bumps and volcanic stones.
The lake has trout since 40-50 years ago taken from Cardiel lake but the "huge trout" are what we call danish rainbows and were introduced about ten years ago. These fish are stocked fish, not my preference if you ask me.
The reason behind this particular introduction is that they grow like a genetically manufactured pig and a company called Arengus once expected to harvest them.
The business apparently didn't work so sport fishing was next.
Here you can visit the blog of a good friend who went there just asking the proper permission.
http://gigantesdesantacruz.blogspot.com/
Surrounding Strobel there are many smaller lakes and lagoons all of volcanic origin. Some of them with big trout but perhaps not that big.
The basin is endorreic and the food is basically scuds. The question remains whether Strobel will suffer the same fate of Cardiel. A lake once filled with huge trout but today, full of small, slim fish due to food shortage. Happens that all these lakes never had a single fish before trout introduction. Instead of the "biological sensation" portrayed by Loop, there are good chances this is a biological disaster.
Bottom line, can you get there on your own?
yes and perhaps for free, but you should know someone in the area taking care of these permissions beforehand.
Again the problem is access. Being waters of public domain, we all should have an open access to the lake. Cardiel Lake, in the vicinity, does have one. But public officers are sitting on their hands meanwhile.
This is not to say: hey go there on your own, dont pay Loop that much money!
Everyone knows what is willing/ unwilling to do.
All this is to let you guys know the full picture of things so none can pull your legs.
Guille
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Hola Guillermo!
?Y como va la pesca de dorado en la parana?
Hi, fishing in Parana is not as good as it used to be due to poachers but mainly because the river was harvested by commercial fishing operations. Sabalo, an important part of dorado´s diet has been fished way too much so now some provinces are taking steps to revert the situation. In Santa Fe those steps are kinda joke but Corrientes is taking the issue more seriously.
It is a very complex problem since there are cultural traditions amongst the people living there which are very hard to change.
I´d rather fish for dorado in Salta and Santiago del Estero Provinces.
Rio Dulce and Rio Juramento are the spots.
Guille
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Thanks for that G. It really looked and sounded to good to be a wild treasure and something had to be wrong with what seemed that perfect . :'( . On second thought , Loop and other groups might be riding the Jurassic Lake thing a little too hard.
Your friends blog seems like a more reasonble account but exciting none the less. They hit a few other gems along theway as well ;)
As for trying to get there , its not in my cards right away but Patagoina would make a great trip for the family down the road.
Thanks again !
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Well Guillermo, thats too bad to hear that the fishery is in bad shape. But its also good to here that there is some measures for conservation over there. I fished there a few times when I was really young as my whole family is from Rosario. My abuelo was a fanatic of dorado fishing and even made his own crankbaits over 40 years ago for just that purpose... I still have them somewhere, and should put up a picture some time they are truely monsterous.
Any plans to fish in Canada?
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You can go to Lake Dieffenbacker in Saskatchewan where there are more bigger trout that this.
World record was caught there. 43.6 lbs
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Well Guillermo, thats too bad to hear that the fishery is in bad shape. But its also good to here that there is some measures for conservation over there. I fished there a few times when I was really young as my whole family is from Rosario. My abuelo was a fanatic of dorado fishing and even made his own crankbaits over 40 years ago for just that purpose... I still have them somewhere, and should put up a picture some time they are truely monsterous.
Any plans to fish in Canada?
Hi Jonny, it´s very sad to see what became of Parana river but people are taking action to reverse it, let´s hope for the best!!
I would love to fish in Canada some day but still is out of my league, been told you guys have great fishing there!!
About Strobel, my friend el Gaita posted some pictures of a trip he made with some fishermen from Lituania some days ago.
All the pictures are from Strobel except the one with the red bridges on the back which is Santa Cruz river and a steelhead.
http://www.patagoniahosting.net/foro/showthread.php?t=4418
Saludos a todos!!!
Guillermo